Remove Refundable Credit Vehicles, Allow chopping of scrapyard vehicles which DELETES them.

[Kjaer]

Hi,

I am continually running into circumstances where my character inappropriately judges the risk vs reward of a situation because of an OOC mechanism that prevents chops on two types of vehicles. I believe this should never happen and I will give my reasoning for both of the vehicle types mentioned in my title.

Refundable Credit Vehicles - Because these vehicles are refundable, chopping is disabled to prevent abuse. I suggest revoking the ability to refund any credit purchase which has IG benefits, as it gives players an unfair OOC advantage as they can drive whatever they want and refund if they don't like (or if the vehicle gets stolen).

From an IC and RP Realism standpoint these vehicles should not be refundable, players should not be using credits to test drive vehicles and then return them if they do not like the handling as this feature is not available to other players and gives an unfair advantage. No dealer is going to refund your full value of the car once its driven off the lot. I see players abuse these vehicles in the manner that they know they will not be chopped, thus they can be more careless with where they leave the vehicle, or even feel confident as using the vehicle as a bait vehicle. There should be no discernible IC different between a vehicle bought with credits, or cash.

Scrapyard Vehicles - These vehicles were able to be chopped, and then retrieved at scrapyard for $500 thus allowing "money farming" by repeatedly chopping the same vehicle so they were disabled from the chopshops. I suggest Scrapyard Vehicles get re-enabled at chops, but are simply deleted from the world as if they were scrapped at the scrapyard to prevent abuse.

TLDR; Remove Refundable Credit Vehicles and allow Scrapyard vehicles to be chopped as OOC mechanics are interfering with IC risk vs reward evaluation.

[Miky]

+support 

[CaesarSeizure]

-1

Biggest reason why there is a difference in refunding credit vehicles vs IC vehicles, is that at the end of the day, you can always sell your IC vehicles, credit vehicles are not only locked to your account after the first 24h, but they are locked to your character unless you pay extra to have it transferred.

There more to scrap vehicles than just infinite money, at the end, factions could use scrap vehicles to gain infinite influence.

[Kjaer]

I see your point about the influence, perhaps they should be 0.00 influence then with the reasoning of the sub-par re-used parts that are already within the scrapyard vehicle.

I still dont see the arguement for keeping RCV's however, if you're paying IRL money for an edge in-game, I think you should be appropriately locked into your decision. No ones forcing you to buy a credit vehicle.

[tylxrrr]

+1

When I bought my credit vehicle, I didn't even know that it could be refunded. If you wanted to test drive a vehicle, then you would do it as you would a normal vehicle. Ask a friend to try out their car, not buy the credit vehicle and then refund it. With the scrap vehicles, I agree as well. Scrapyard vehicles are already not great RPly, if they were chopped, then they should be permanently retired.

[IAmTurtle]

-1. Same Reason as above. Also the time is only 24hrs so its not that bad.

[Kjaer]

Hi,

I think people are misunderstanding where the focus is on RCV's, the focus is that they potentially spoil RP and risk vs reward decisions because there's no way to tell that the vehicle I'm trying to plan to steal cannot be chopped. I've had long drawn out and well RP'd scenarios in order to steal a high value vehicle (18k chop, 10 influence) where all the RP and efforts are spoiled because the mechanic turns around and says he won't chop the car because it's OOC'ly refundable. It's super frustrating and makes zero sense from an RP point of view. I personally disagree with credit vehicles and credit apartments all together because they invite a pay to win environment, but I realize the server has costs that need to be met, but the server should also alleviate the potential disruption to RP that these pay-to-acquire features impose. You cant refund emotes, so why can you refund a credit vehicle?

[Ne0n1c]

-1

[JakeInnit_]

-1 on disabling credit refunds, however +1 you should be able to chop refundable cars but logs should flag those who are abusing it.

 

[inorigj]

On 3/30/2021 at 1:23 PM, JakeInnit_ said:

-1 on disabling credit refunds, however +1 you should be able to chop refundable cars but logs should flag those who are abusing it.

 

-1

I fully agree on the -1 and the reason for this is becuse. you could buy a credit vehicle. go chop it. refund it and get a new one and just chop that one. over and over.

and "it could be marked in the logs" this would force a full re-work of credit vehicles or the log system. I can accept that people like stealing cars and chopping them but i think its getting a little out of hand when you steal 1 car and get told " you can't" once by a script and you jump on the forum to change it just becuse you didnt get to ruin the day for another player

And if the "mark in the logs" this would also force staff to look up every player on the server daily/weekly to check if they've even chopped a vehicle at all. and thats for like 600 players. we should just be happy that we're able to chop them at all as we are basicly bringing ooc money in to IC with it. plus as said above. its just 24 hours. there is more RP on here then just chop cars. shoot other gangs/police and make/sell drugs/guns

Edited April 12, 2021 by inorigj