LunaticFPV Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChuckM said: I pay $3000 trucking fee for 3000 units (or less, 3000 units is max I buy at a time) of food/beverage and it's not far from the depot. Is that fair for you guys? Very fair, sir!
Commander783 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, ChuckM said: I pay $3000 trucking fee for 3000 units (or less, 3000 units is max I buy at a time) of food/beverage and it's not far from the depot. Is that fair for you guys? And you very likely sell everything at double, I am unable to pay more. No one would visit my store that much, out of the city, in a hidden location, but I love my store and its location, actually. Sweet and nice to the beach and with cheap offers. I really can't pay more than the standard amount of $ 1000, for a max of 2500 units. I import normally at 1000 units (100 pieces of goods).
LunaticFPV Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aldari_Tagril said: Thank you for this informative bulletin. As a business owner I will now be delivering all my goods myself. You will need to apply for a Teamster's license, then.
Commander783 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, LunaticFPV said: @Com783 I told you, the manifest reads 200k liters. When we fill up the tank for delivery, it says 200k liters. That's 200k liters. It doesn't matter what numbers display on your end to us, because we can't see those and don't know what's going on with your end of things. This boycott and strike got your attention, but we can always continue the boycott and strike if you're unwilling to negotiate. As Truckers, we would rather return to work with a solution that is amicable for everyone. I am still in need of clarification on your end. One load of fuel costs you how much exactly? Is the fuel taxed by 35% or is your income taxed by 35%? My income is taxed by 35 %. I can pay you without tax applied. But tax will apply to you, from the delivery you make. You want actual proof, that it's 20 000 liters?
Fa1N Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 The fuel stations maximum capacity is 20k litres, I don't know where you getting 200k from.
Commander783 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fa1N said: The fuel stations maximum capacity is 20k litres, I don't know where you getting 200k from. He just didn't realise, that 10 units is one actual piece or liter... 1
Keilza Posted July 19, 2019 Author Report Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Fa1N said: The fuel stations maximum capacity is 20k litres, I don't know where you getting 200k from. 200k is the volume we have to load onto our rig, it was stated earlier that 1unit for you is 10volume for us truckers to load onto our rig
Commander783 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Keilza said: 200k is the volume we have to load onto our rig, it was stated earlier that 1unit for you is 10volume for us truckers to load onto our rig That's just a weird industrial figure for one actual piece. 1
Jasmine Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 54 minutes ago, Com783 said: Okay. I will give you a figure, how much we have to pay for import and taxes: 10 units is one actual item. Each liter fuel costs 5 dollar to import. 10 units of fuel, is 1 liter of fuel. 10 units of goods, is 1 piece. I am selling fuel for an average of 7.5/8 dollar per liter. That is just about 50 000 - 60 000 $ profit in ((about a week)), with no tax and trucker payment applied and 100 000 $ go for fuel import, for 20000 liter of fuel. I pay 8000 $ for truckers for 20000 liter fuel. Which means for me, my profit is just 42 000 $ - 52 000 $ for about ((one week)). Now here comes the tax: 35 %. My profit then becomes the following 27 300 $ - 33 800 $ for about ((one week)). Now I have to pay for weazel news blips pretty much, to get some customers to my fuel station or my store, otherwise, it will take 1.5x - 2.5x longer to get these figures. So I have to pay Weazel News Employees about 7 000 - 21 000 $ for a ((week)) GPS blip. My store takes two times longer to generate money and needs a permanent GPS blip, for being so hidden. There are import prices for all the goods for the store. I sell goods for about +25 % till +50 % from their import price. Most stores sell for +100 % or even more. Just an hint: 20 bottles of water pay one delivery for my store, currently that is. I might increase the payment for each fuel delivery to about 1250 $ next time, but that's about it. @LunaticFPV Confirming the accuracy on her numbers. I can confirm, because I was going to buy a gas station, and tracked the numbers of liters used, and the prices, at every gas station in the state for about a month. (I have the excel sheets to prove it) Gas stations, ESPECIALLY paradise (her store as well) make far less than you all think. I you want to strike, get real numbers. It is possible. and make sure you are not putting people out of business. All you are doing is forcing the few GOOD HEARTED business owners to have to raise their prices and screw over the citizens of Los Santos in the process. This "truckers union" are not heroes, you are bullies. Go after the people actually gauging prices. 2
Gramz Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 I pay 2k per order whenever I order any item to my gun store. Consulted a few truckers in advance who said this would be fair. My store is the closest delivery to the trucker base, so its a short drive. Hope Bang for your Buck! is on good terms with the union. 1
Commander783 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) But well yeah. I could it deliver all by myself and you would get no money at all. So you would just do other jobs, which you won't certainly like, I bet. Your job is one of the most relaxing ones, so I don't get how you complain all the time. If you want to make more actual money, get a more stressful job. I've earned everything with being a farmer, taxi driver and paramedic. But you just sit in your truck all alone and chill, drive, enjoy the landscapes. I enjoy truck driving myself, but it doesn't even make sense, to have it as a permanent job and more as a side job, since there won't be opportunities aka deliveries all the time. It's just not a consistent, paying job like all others... Edited July 19, 2019 by Com783 2
chaciak Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 Guys, I have to agree eith @Jasmine here. I have in the past did few deliveries of fuel and this indeed take a long time for a small amount of money. If the union carries on like this, it may end up by owners doing there own deliveries to keep the price as it is. I think the goverment is to blame for putting taxes to high. They should put certain amount of fuel tax free or lower the tax and everyone would be happy.
Jasmine Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, chaciak said: Guys, I have to agree eith @Jasmine here. If the union carries on like this, it may end up by owners doing there own deliveries to keep the price as it is. Another confirmation, YES the owners have resorted to doing their own driving. I know, 100%, of 3 businesses that do this. Even using a friend to post at the truckers yard so the second an order is placed, they can take it and not let any "truckers union" employee get the order. You might want to adjust your strategy, and reach out to the owners instead of using scare tactics to force your way. They are smart business people who know this city well, they will win out if that is your only game plan. I used to be as angry as you about the "super-rich", until I took time to get to know a few, and most turned out to be some pretty amazing people! Edited July 19, 2019 by Jasmine
LunaticFPV Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jasmine said: Confirming the accuracy on her numbers. I can confirm, because I was going to buy a gas station, and tracked the numbers of liters used, and the prices, at every gas station in the state for about a month. (I have the excel sheets to prove it) Gas stations, ESPECIALLY paradise (her store as well) make far less than you all think. I you want to strike, get real numbers. It is possible. and make sure you are not putting people out of business. All you are doing is forcing the few GOOD HEARTED business owners to have to raise their prices and screw over the citizens of Los Santos in the process. This "truckers union" are not heroes, you are bullies. Go after the people actually gauging prices. @Jasmine @Com783 If you want to assist with providing us some numbers, and clearing up my earlier questions, that would be greatly appreciated. It's not our aim to push out honest business owners, but the strike and boycott was necessary to bring the retailers to the table. Calling us bullies doesn't benefit anyone, as we're trying to come up with an amicable solution for all of us. Here's the data I'm currently working with: 1 liter of fuel = 10 units of volume. 200k volume of fuel = 20k liters. 20k liters costs the retailer $5/liter. $100,000. I am unclear on how this 35% tax is applied. Is it a tax on the fuel, or is it income tax? Your advertising budget isn't our responsibility, although it does seem very, very expensive. I would be willing to assist you in lobbying for a better deal from Weazel News, as well.
LunaticFPV Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jasmine said: Another confirmation, YES the owners have resorted to doing their own driving. I know, 100%, of 3 businesses that do this. Even using a friend to post at the truckers yard so the second an order is placed, they can take it and not let any "truckers union" employee get the order. You might want to adjust your strategy, and reach out to the owners instead of using scare tactics to force you way. They are smart business people who know this city well, they will win out if that is your only game plan. @Jasmine We have tried, but received no responses, or "tough shit, you get what you get." I do appreciate that you've come to the table to negotiate, though. As stated previously, we're not trying to muscle out anyone, but we want better rates for our deliveries. We need data and numbers from you retailers to achieve that. Our goal is to make deliveries consistent, AND have fair prices for all parties involved.
LunaticFPV Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, chaciak said: Guys, I have to agree eith @Jasmine here. I have in the past did few deliveries of fuel and this indeed take a long time for a small amount of money. If the union carries on like this, it may end up by owners doing there own deliveries to keep the price as it is. I think the goverment is to blame for putting taxes to high. They should put certain amount of fuel tax free or lower the tax and everyone would be happy. @chaciak I am trying to get to the bottom of the tax thing, but no one has given me a straight answer. Is the 35% tax a tax on fuel volume, or is it a tax on income?
Jasmine Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, LunaticFPV said: @Jasmine @Com783 If you want to assist with providing us some numbers, and clearing up my earlier questions, that would be greatly appreciated. It's not our aim to push out honest business owners, but the strike and boycott was necessary to bring the retailers to the table. Calling us bullies doesn't benefit anyone, as we're trying to come up with an amicable solution for all of us. Here's the data I'm currently working with: 1 liter of fuel = 10 units of volume. 200k volume of fuel = 20k liters. 20k liters costs the retailer $5/liter. $100,000. I am unclear on how this 35% tax is applied. Is it a tax on the fuel, or is it income tax? Your advertising budget isn't our responsibility, although it does seem very, very expensive. I would be willing to assist you in lobbying for a better deal from Weazel News, as well. first your missing the biggest piece, the sell price. Stefanie Huth sells for $8? others $7......and of course some $15. This makes a HUGE difference in the profits. Stefanie, on 20k liters, makes $3 per liter, so 60k. That is taxed.....down to 40k ish. Then add on operating expenses etc. (keep in mind the ENITRE sale gets taxed, not only profits) Mind you, she made an investment of ~8 million or more.....for less than 30k profits a week?? plus all the hours lost managing it? Again, I think you are misunderstanding how these business work, and what they actually make. If you want to attack rich people, make sure they are actually screwing people over before attacking them publicly. I will also note, that Stefanie has a massive amount of wealth, and she makes it a point out buy and operate her businesses as a a way to give back to the community. In all honesty, she deserved free deliveries....in my opinion, she is the only hero I see in this whole situation. Edited July 19, 2019 by Jasmine
Jasmine Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LunaticFPV said: @Jasmine We have tried, but received no responses, or "tough shit, you get what you get." I do appreciate that you've come to the table to negotiate, though. As stated previously, we're not trying to muscle out anyone, but we want better rates for our deliveries. We need data and numbers from you retailers to achieve that. Our goal is to make deliveries consistent, AND have fair prices for all parties involved. I am not here to negotiate, I don't own a business. I am here as a friend of Stef, because I see the effect you guys are having on her, and I want it to stop (as well as a few other owners I know, Einar from Auto-Services is also an amazing person). And I can promise you, 100%, these two would not blow you off, unless you mistreat them first. Edited July 19, 2019 by Jasmine
LunaticFPV Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, Jasmine said: first your missing the biggest piece, the sell price. Stefanie Huth sells for $8? others $7......and of course some $15. This makes a HUGE difference in the profits. Stefanie, on 20k liters, makes $3 per liter, so 60k. That is taxed.....down to 40k ish. Then add on operating expenses etc. Mind you, she made an investment of ~8 million or more.....for less than 30k profits a week?? plus all the hours lost managing it? Again, I think you are misunderstanding how these business work, and what they actually make. If you want to attach rich people, make sure they are actually screwing people over before attacking them publicly. I will also note, that Stefanie has a massive amount of wealth, and she makes it a point out buy and operate her businesses as a a way to give back to the community. In all honesty, she deserved free deliveries....in my opinion, she is the only hero I see in this whole situation. @JasmineI am most certainly not missing the sale price. The sale prices of fuel at these stations is easy enough to come by. I need to know what the costs behind it are, so we can come up with something amicable for all parties, as stated multiple times before. We aren't trying to attack rich people. We aren't trying to screw over any one. It's awesome that Stefanie is helping folks with low prices, but that in no way entitles her to free deliveries. As I have said many, many times on this thread, we aren't seeking to gouge, only to come to an amicable solution. I will ask you directly: Is the fuel volume taxed 35%, or is the tax a 35% income tax? This is the biggest question I have at this time, and the one piece of data that is missing from our end of the equation.
Keilza Posted July 19, 2019 Author Report Posted July 19, 2019 A lot of you are saying that we are calling you business owners out but in fact if I didn't start this we would still have silent air about the whole situation. I was unaware of how high the tax is. I understand profit margins are slim because of it and other expenses. And calling Truckers a side job is a big insult to us. This is our career, we live in our rigs, we breathe and eat in our rigs. Trucking isn't a side job, it's our way of life. We all enjoying driving our rigs and transporting goods to business but it's coming to a point I'm hardly making enough for the upkeep of my rig. After slugging 20k of fuel up to the top of the map and back for $1,000 hardly covers fuel costs, and the way some people drive, having to repair our big rigs.
LunaticFPV Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jasmine said: I am not here to negotiate, I don't own a business. I am here as a friend of Stef, because I see the effect you guys are having on her, and I want it to stop (as well as a few other owners I know, Einar from Auto-Services is also an amazing person). And I can promise you, 100%, these two would not blow you off, unless you mistreat them first. @Jasmine Sticking up for your friend is admirable. That's what our union is all about, us sticking up for our friends. At this point, our only friends are truckers, but friendship is a two way street! We like friends, they're way better than enemies! I really need this info about the taxes the government is applying to your friend. Are they income taxes, or taxes on fuel? @Com783 Stefanie, as you said earlier, we're missing data. I would appreciate if you could fill in one more blank for us, so we have the whole cost vs profit picture. Is the 35% tax a tax on the fuel volume, or is it a tax on your income? If you're being gouged on tax prices, we could work together to protest gross taxation and hopefully get them lowered. The end goal is amicable solutions for everyone.
ChuckM Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, LunaticFPV said: @Com783 I told you, the manifest reads 200k liters. When we fill up the tank for delivery, it says 200k liters. That's 200k liters. It doesn't matter what numbers display on your end to us, because we can't see those and don't know what's going on with your end of things. This boycott and strike got your attention, but we can always continue the boycott and strike if you're unwilling to negotiate. As Truckers, we would rather return to work with a solution that is amicable for everyone. I am still in need of clarification on your end. One load of fuel costs you how much exactly? Is the fuel taxed by 35% or is your income taxed by 35%? Gross sales is taxed 35%. Example: Item is bought for $500 and resold for $1000. After taxes, you are left with $650 and now take out the initial value of $500 and you are left with $150 profit.
Jasmine Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, LunaticFPV said: @JasmineI am most certainly not missing the sale price. The sale prices of fuel at these stations is easy enough to come by. I need to know what the costs behind it are, so we can come up with something amicable for all parties, as stated multiple times before. We aren't trying to attack rich people. We aren't trying to screw over any one. It's awesome that Stefanie is helping folks with low prices, but that in no way entitles her to free deliveries. As I have said many, many times on this thread, we aren't seeking to gouge, only to come to an amicable solution. I will ask you directly: Is the fuel volume taxed 35%, or is the tax a 35% income tax? The government doesn't let them submit operating expenses and costs. That's the issue. They tax 35% of ALL income, they cant write off truckers fees and cost of gas. And marketing and other operating expenses are your concern. Like I said, they will just find other people to do their deliveries, and cut you out completely. In fact, I have plenty of time on my hands, maybe I'll just go down there when my friends need deliveries and do it for them?
Jasmine Posted July 19, 2019 Report Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LunaticFPV said: @Com783 I told you, the manifest reads 200k liters. When we fill up the tank for delivery, it says 200k liters. That's 200k liters. It doesn't matter what numbers display on your end to us, because we can't see those and don't know what's going on with your end of things. This boycott and strike got your attention, but we can always continue the boycott and strike if you're unwilling to negotiate. As Truckers, we would rather return to work with a solution that is amicable for everyone. I am still in need of clarification on your end. One load of fuel costs you how much exactly? Is the fuel taxed by 35% or is your income taxed by 35%? Stations can only hold 20k. Theres your proof. And Chuck already answered your question, on 20k fill, if they sell at $8, they make 160k, and get taxed 35%, so 55k, so 104k is the end income. Profit of 4k..... See the problem???? Edited July 19, 2019 by Jasmine
Keilza Posted July 19, 2019 Author Report Posted July 19, 2019 The obvious problem to me is the tax, we need to get all business owners together to have an attempt to lower the tax. In my opinion at 35% is far far too high.
