LSPD - Building Relations and First-Hand Experience

[MrSilky]

To further add to my motive for transparency in the LSPD operations, I wanted to make this post to address a change that I hope will develop into a community-wide shift in perspectives and relations with LSPD members. I feel the best way we can move forward and develop better relations between cop and crim is to break down the barrier between "us and them" and move towards the royal "us" as community members. This post is a continuation of my prior post, linked at the bottom of this.

In an effort to promote this, I've broken down some barriers so that members of the LSPD faction can freely enjoy engaging in criminal roleplay and will be joining or creating criminal factions (on alts of course) so that they can get a feel first-hand how it feels to be a crim in 2025 and hopefully build positive relations on an OOC level with current criminal role-players to allow for more enjoyable experience with LSPD members regardless the character they are on while also giving the LSPD members trying out the criminal scene to consider how their actions impact criminals in today's environment.

Now I understand that there will be concerns about cops playing crim on their alts, then these cops enforcing the law on their main (such as bias against enemies, leniencies for allies etc) so we are implementing strict regulations to separate the characters and ensure any bias etc does not carry over between characters. Therefore, we have implemented the following internal regulations (primarily aimed at members of the Detective Bureau):

• You must have 100% separation between characters and you must not engage in roleplay against a group that your crim were a victim to in the same RP situation.
• Zero tolerance on referencing PD/GND policy.
• If you choose to join a criminal faction on an alternative character, you must remember that you represent the Los Santos Police Department at all times across all characters. You may not participate in factions that primarily focus on PvP; only lore-driven factions are permitted.
• While on duty as your LSPD character, you must not initiate investigations or engage in gang enforcement activities against individuals or groups associated with, or enemies of, your alternative character, unless it is part of a pre-established and properly documented investigation.

My hopes with this movement is that it will allow current LSPD members to get a feel for how it is to be a crim in 2025 and then consider how they act with criminals when they are on their cop characters to push for more enjoyment for all. Furthermore, I want this to be an opportunity for the community to build stronger relations and break down the barriers we have built between the two sides. At the end of the day we are all here to enjoy a game. I will be keeping a very close eye on this to ensure LSPD members uphold both faction and community standards at all times and the LSPD Internal Affairs will be open to receive OOC IA reports about LSPD members on their alts if you have concerns about their roleplay.

I am hopeful this will be a positive experience for all as both sides come together to focus on enjoyment and gameplay.

 

[Eliza]

Huge W Silky! I also encourage criminals to give law enforcement a try! Not because I'm trying to start another one of those threads, but because I think it is good for players to see both sides of the street. I believe it would be beneficial for everybody to see what the other street has on their side that they have to experience.

[GodDammitKopi]

I've always been a massive advocate of players experiencing Crim and LEO. It really does give you a better understanding of both sides of the coin. Great change Silky.

[admiraljenkins]

Not sure how easily enforceable those first two will be, but the last points sound like a good step in the right direction.

Good job.

[MrSilky]

To add to this, we would love for more people who don’t have any experience in law enforcement roleplay to try us out and be part of our team.

Therefore, we have removed the ratio requirement of playtime from our recruitment regulations. You will still be expected to meet the minimum hours of 2.5 hours per week, but you will no longer be mandated to play 50% of your total playtime across all characters on your PD character.

This is because concerns were raised by people who would be interested in giving LEO RP a go, but didn’t want that to negatively impact their “main” criminal character. This will hopefully break down that barrier.

To be clear though, if you eventually progress into a position of authority, or limited vacancies within the faction, a ratio requirement would be enforced, but potentially not as extreme as 50/50. This would be a case by case basis depending on the assignment. Furthermore, progression into such positions is completely voluntary. If you want to chill as a Police Officer II dipping in occasionally that is fine.

If this was previously a barrier for you not considering applying to join, I welcome you apply now and see how it is from the other side. Some documentation may be outdated and contain the old requirements, but that will be updated shortly.

https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewforum.php?f=89

[Jimmy Lynnch]

Just a question here, Since all of GND are going to join MNC, and they are here to investigate the crim problem. How are they going to find the problem which most criminals will argue is GND (on the LEO power imbalance side) since they will not investigate their own gang nor will they have to fight GND or get scouted by them at labs.

[Ash]

1 hour ago, MrSilky said:

you will no longer be mandated to play 50% of your total playtime across all characters on your PD character.

huge

[Trevor Zelias]

1 hour ago, MrSilky said:

To add to this, we would love for more people who don’t have any experience in law enforcement roleplay to try us out and be part of our team.

Therefore, we have removed the ratio requirement of playtime from our recruitment regulations. You will still be expected to meet the minimum hours of 2.5 hours per week, but you will no longer be mandated to play 50% of your total playtime across all characters on your PD character.

This is because concerns were raised by people who would be interested in giving LEO RP a go, but didn’t want that to negatively impact their “main” criminal character. This will hopefully break down that barrier.

To be clear though, if you eventually progress into a position of authority, or limited vacancies within the faction, a ratio requirement would be enforced, but potentially not as extreme as 50/50. This would be a case by case basis depending on the assignment. Furthermore, progression into such positions is completely voluntary. If you want to chill as a Police Officer II dipping in occasionally that is fine.

If this was previously a barrier for you not considering applying to join, I welcome you apply now and see how it is from the other side. Some documentation may be outdated and contain the old requirements, but that will be updated shortly.

https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewforum.php?f=89

So, I got a question about OOC dishonorable as an example with me (Trevor Zelias). And you can look and know why I got it. Is it possible to appeal or get those also allowed to apply back and get into the faction back again? You guys should look at those also and see for a future with those certain people also. I can promise you many people do want to comeback and made mistakes in the past and such. Hopefully you can check over this and work towards a solution for this as well. 

 

 

You're clearly making a good fucking effort towards LSPD becoming more better and less restricted. Really good job!

[MrSilky]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Lynnch said:

Just a question here, Since all of GND are going to join MNC, and they are here to investigate the crim problem. How are they going to find the problem which most criminals will argue is GND (on the LEO power imbalance side) since they will not investigate their own gang nor will they have to fight GND or get scouted by them at labs.

This was one of the main issues I had to consider. Not all of GND are taking part in criminal RP, it’s about half. Any RP that involves enforcement against their gang would be off limits to anyone in it, I’m also considering making a separate area that they wouldn’t even have access to view.

They would still be prone to gang enforcement just as other gangs are. But you should notice that the general severity and scrutiny of gang enforcement has dropped a lot in the past month to allow for players to have a little more breathing room across the board. 

Like I said in my post, I will be keeping a close eye on this and if I notice the balance of enforcement not be equal, changes will have to be made. For now I’d like to see it play out and see how it goes.

[MrSilky]

36 minutes ago, Trevor Zelias said:

So, I got a question about OOC dishonorable as an example with me (Trevor Zelias). And you can look and know why I got it. Is it possible to appeal or get those also allowed to apply back and get into the faction back again? You guys should look at those also and see for a future with those certain people also. I can promise you many people do want to comeback and made mistakes in the past and such. Hopefully you can check over this and work towards a solution for this as well. 

 

 

You're clearly making a good fucking effort towards LSPD becoming more better and less restricted. Really good job!

Anyone, even OOC terminations, are free to apply for reinstatement. Sometimes you would have to use a different character (due to criminal charges etc) but each circumstance gets discussed case by case.

Being OOCly terminated for any reason is never a blacklist from the faction, unless you are explicitly told they. But those instances are extremely rare (RWT, transfers, equipment advise etc) and I have only ever seen them imposed with a server ban also

[Clank]

7 hours ago, Jimmy Lynnch said:

Just a question here, Since all of GND are going to join MNC, and they are here to investigate the crim problem. How are they going to find the problem which most criminals will argue is GND (on the LEO power imbalance side) since they will not investigate their own gang nor will they have to fight GND or get scouted by them at labs.

I will make it my mission to bully samuel martin and his gang of goons