Car refunds for credits

[Ritchie Stones]

1 hour ago, Earl Mud said:

Idk man...spending irl cash on shit and changing it afterwards....

remember i talked to you about this ? a month or 2 ago ? i told you this was going to upset people hehe XD

[Billy Valentine]

have a like one or two day event where people can return credit vehicles

[Earl Mud]

2 minutes ago, Billy Valentine said:

have a like one or two day event where people can return credit vehicles

Do not tie it to in game event. Some people dont play during standard operating hours.

[Mrpyth0n33]

I think people are more upset with the change because the cars as they were, was the selling point why alot of people even bought the credits to obtain said vehicles, i love ecrp and the people i have met with the player population decreasing recently i havevlost many friends, i stayed for the ones left, after todays update so many more have decided to just leave, each for their own reason and it breaks my heart because honestly eclipse is a server known for its people not just scripts, i give all love to the devs for trying from their side but i beg please listen to the mass population without the players eclipse would be an empty shell and it would be so sad please just listen with an open mind

Edited November 5, 2025 by Mrpyth0n33
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[Diddern]

To me it is fine how it is now.

You can still play with a very good car without the HSW upgrades. For example the Banshee GTS, very good car without the HSW enabled. You were fully aware this was coming and that the HSW implementation initially wasnt intended the way it was. Yet you spend a massive amount of money on meta cars to gain yourself an incredible advantage such as the La Courouse and Niobes (which both those cars are still incredibly strong without HSW).

Personally I am not a big fan of how pay2win this server is and if you are malding over how you saved yourself millions of cash in-game by spending credits to give yourself an incredible advantage for the most broken vehicles in the game, maybe you should learn to drive something else that requires skill?

[Ritchie Stones]

13 minutes ago, Billy Valentine said:

have a like one or two day event where people can return credit vehicles

if you want to pull the plug on the server yes, if you want the server to stay alive, its a bad idea, really bad

[Ritchie Stones]

4 minutes ago, Diddern said:

To me it is fine how it is now.

You can still play with a very good car without the HSW upgrades. For example the Banshee GTS, very good car without the HSW enabled. You were fully aware this was coming and that the HSW implementation initially wasnt intended the way it was. Yet you spend a massive amount of money on meta cars to gain yourself an incredible advantage such as the La Courouse and Niobes (which both those cars are still incredibly strong without HSW).

Personally I am not a big fan of how pay2win this server is and if you are malding over how you saved yourself millions of cash in-game by spending credits to give yourself an incredible advantage for the most broken vehicles in the game, maybe you should learn to drive something else that requires skill?

and are youb like some of us +20 cars deep ? because i think you would feel different about it if your 1000s of euro's deep 

[Earl Mud]

2 minutes ago, Diddern said:

To me it is fine how it is now.

You can still play with a very good car without the HSW upgrades. For example the Banshee GTS, very good car without the HSW enabled. You were fully aware this was coming and that the HSW implementation initially wasnt intended the way it was. Yet you spend a massive amount of money on meta cars to gain yourself an incredible advantage such as the La Courouse and Niobes (which both those cars are still incredibly strong without HSW).

Personally I am not a big fan of how pay2win this server is and if you are malding over how you saved yourself millions of cash in-game by spending credits to give yourself an incredible advantage for the most broken vehicles in the game, maybe you should learn to drive something else that requires skill?

You can spend money on a credit car without wanting the advantage but still be upset by the changes cause you paid for it with an understanding as to what the upgrades would cost. Why is it you feel this is helpful in anyway and addresses the concerns? Not everyone purchased one of these for hold w key wins. I have one and have never evaded in it and still upset. What do you say for my case then? No need for toxicity when people are here with a genuine concern. 

[Ritchie Stones]

Just now, Earl Mud said:

You can spend money on a credit car without wanting the advantage but still be upset by the changes cause you paid for it with an understanding as to what the upgrades would cost. Why is it you feel this is helpful in anyway and addresses the concerns? Not everyone purchased one of these for hold w key wins. I have one and have never evaded in it and still upset. What do you say for my case then? No need for toxicity when people are here with a genuine concern. 

state it simple. over a 100 niobe's have been bought because it was a fast car, now, they need to cough up 1 mil just to enjoy the car they bought with credits, doubling the extra addes cost is already massive let alone 10X

[HobGoblin]

2 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

state it simple. over a 100 niobe's have been bought because it was a fast car, now, they need to cough up 1 mil just to enjoy the car they bought with credits, doubling the extra addes cost is already massive let alone 10X

Have you tried the maxed niobe without HSW mods?

[Diddern]

2 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

and are youb like some of us +20 cars deep ? because i think you would feel different about it if your 1000s of euro's deep 

I have over 30 cars, with 5 of them being credits. All unavailable to be acquired in-game. Of course its gonna be more expensive for me, but I'd rather have performance worth what you actually pay...

 

 

4 minutes ago, Earl Mud said:

You can spend money on a credit car without wanting the advantage but still be upset by the changes cause you paid for it with an understanding as to what the upgrades would cost. Why is it you feel this is helpful in anyway and addresses the concerns? Not everyone purchased one of these for hold w key wins. I have one and have never evaded in it and still upset. What do you say for my case then? No need for toxicity when people are here with a genuine concern. 

You still have the ability to upgrade the cars without HSW(which is what costs the most). You got compensated what the old performance mods costed, and now you are mad that you actually have to work for some of that performance, balancing the server?

[Ritchie Stones]

Just now, HobGoblin said:

Have you tried the maxed niobe without HSW mods?

have you tried buying  +20 cars in credit store ? i dont think so, that amount of money wil change your mind 

[Earl Mud]

Just now, Diddern said:

I have over 30 cars, with 5 of them being credits. All unavailable to be acquired in-game. Of course its gonna be more expensive for me, but I'd rather have performance worth what you actually pay...

 

 

You still have the ability to upgrade the cars without HSW(which is what costs the most). You got compensated what the old performance mods costed, and now you are mad that you actually have to work for some of that performance, balancing the server?

Its the principle. You dont sell something and change the terms afterwards without a way to refund. This is the type of attitude that has caused lots to leave. Its always wahhhh you want easy wins instead of looking at the actual issue and response from those affected. 

[Ritchie Stones]

Just now, Diddern said:

I have over 30 cars, with 5 of them being credits. All unavailable to be acquired in-game. Of course its gonna be more expensive for me, but I'd rather have performance worth what you actually pay...

 

 

You still have the ability to upgrade the cars without HSW(which is what costs the most). You got compensated what the old performance mods costed, and now you are mad that you actually have to work for some of that performance, balancing the server?

you have 5 cars of credits, i have +20 cars having 376 000 credits spend, my difference in refund alone is 2 million, let alone the money i now have to invest for cars that i could use before, like your not thinking this through, the difference is in the millions for the most loyal donators being around donating for years, we are affected most 

[imran]

18 minutes ago, Diddern said:

To me it is fine how it is now.

You can still play with a very good car without the HSW upgrades. For example the Banshee GTS, very good car without the HSW enabled. You were fully aware this was coming and that the HSW implementation initially wasnt intended the way it was. Yet you spend a massive amount of money on meta cars to gain yourself an incredible advantage such as the La Courouse and Niobes (which both those cars are still incredibly strong without HSW).

Personally I am not a big fan of how pay2win this server is and if you are malding over how you saved yourself millions of cash in-game by spending credits to give yourself an incredible advantage for the most broken vehicles in the game, maybe you should learn to drive something else that requires skill?

wdym, both of niobe and lacareuse now costing 450k to max it without HSW, and they can barely goes 185kph, i fully blame management for their careless updates, it would be great if you just readjust upgrade prices and keep current moded ones, or fully refun the buyout prices so people invest on what they need, not everyone have time to grind hours just to buy an hsw.
i believe that the best option here is to refund the buyout prices of these vehicles (zigro zx / lacareuse / vivanite / niobe...) either with credits or in game cash.

if you think HSW are causing problems, just totally remove these cars and refund their owners.

Edited November 5, 2025 by imran

[Diddern]

2 minutes ago, Earl Mud said:

Its the principle. You dont sell something and change the terms afterwards without a way to refund. This is the type of attitude that has caused lots to leave. Its always wahhhh you want easy wins instead of looking at the actual issue and response from those affected. 

If its about the principle, sure. Refund all acquired cars on the server, both in-game cash and credit cars. Fuck the whole economy up. Even if you bought a car with credits, there are ppl out here that has bought for hundreds of hours grinding.  Refunding credit vehicles is simply not a solution, imagine all the mess that would make...

 

5 minutes ago, Earl Mud said:

Its always wahhhh you want easy wins instead of looking at the actual issue and response from those affected. 

Im not looking for a easy chase, I keep up with most vehicles anyways. I prefer a faster chase for a greater challenge. But HSW was just a stupid implementation in the first place.

[Eliza]

2 hours ago, Osvaldon said:

Give us a day or two to consider what we could do for credit car owners. The main reason for the performance mod reset was due to the economy, but credit cars do not impact the economy so it is not unreasonable to bring them back or give credit cars a mod upgrade discount.

 

[Osvaldon]

18 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

HSW cars should be removed with all owners refunded. HSW was the worst thing to happen to the server. 

Good tip on how to totally bankrupt the server

[Osvaldon]

20 hours ago, Earl Mud said:

With the new update a lot of people are rightfully upset. They spent irl money for vehicles with an understanding the the IC cost would be around 100k to max them and now its over 10x that for some of these. I feel with the changes we should be able to now refund these with credits if we no longer want these with the changes since the IC costs changing. The transaction has changed therefore we should be able to change wanting these or not. 

I have decided to include the HSW Performance Upgrade (the most expensive mod) by default to all credit imported vehicles that do support it. Previously, the main HSW mod only cost $500 of in-game currency which basically meant that the mod used to be a free upgrade. It's an important factor that influenced players to import HSW vehicles for large amounts of credits. I think it will be more fair that way, especially for the people who contribute financially to keeping the server running.

1) Credit vehicles do not impact the economy which initially was my main concern (that is, poor players becoming poorer due to loss of value of their mods while rich players becoming much more wealthier due to the increase of value of their mods); therefore, not having such a problem with credit imports allows me to make an exception without spawning large amounts of in-game currency into the game economy out of thin air;

2) Prior to the update one could say that the HSW upgrades were already included by default because of their bare minimum price of $500 for the "Speaker" and "Knob" mods each which currently costs somewhere between $100,000 and $1,000,000 depending on the vehicle tier;

3) It's reasonable to assume that both developers and players had considered the previous HSW accessibility when setting the credit store prices or when deciding to import a HSW compatible vehicle for credits. Many players may had opted not to spend credits on those vehicles if they knew they had to spend another $1,000,000 of in-game currency in addition to the credits already paid just to achieve the same performance.