helicopter flying licence revoked (more flexible)

[Ritchie Stones]

as far as my knowledge goes, you can optain a helicopter and that has to come with a flying license.
but when you get charged with certain crimes like domestic terrorism your license get revoked
and you can never get your helicopter taking out of the imound again and are forced to sell the heli.
that to me is a very significant loss from 2 to 8 million loss for the heli alone+ the license which cost 250k.

i took notice from a specific player in the game who was broken out of prison by hes gang, and he did not wanted this to happen
the person got charged with domestic terrorism anyways. i dont know the whole story,
but even to me after 5 years some charges can be very vague and sometimes
you could be the wrong person in the wrong place facing the wrong cop or situation, and there is not much you can do about that.

this to me is very concerning. and i understand we dont want criminals flying coppers into labs etc or some poeple do weird stuff.
towards the penal code it makes total sense also, but i want this ajusted.

i want instead crimes being comited in a flying a vehicle are punishable by flying the vehicle only.
what happens on ther ground towards crimes is not connected.
further stuff like flying into a druglab or comiting certain crimes to become and actual rulebreak.

i personaly would love to buy myself a heli, but this is the thing that is stopping me from doing so since years.
i stil want to commit crimes but not in a heli, and i dont want the crimes i comit on the ground to affect my ability to have my private chopper, it takes away RP opportunities for me.
 

[Earl Mud]

Huge +1. I've been wanting to get a heli but don't want to lose it like that 

[SquirtleSquad]

This isn't really something governed by Server rules,  but I would suggest pursuing potential changes via IC means such as speaking with SAAA of gov

[Ritchie Stones]

10 hours ago, SquirtleSquad said:

This isn't really something governed by Server rules,  but I would suggest pursuing potential changes via IC means such as speaking with SAAA of gov

I dont know what you mean? 
i dont think a crim like me speaking ICly is going to have any impact somehow if any at all by talking with them, 

i would like this to losen up a bit and have the guarantee through the rules   

[SquirtleSquad]

21 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

I dont know what you mean? 
i dont think a crim like me speaking ICly is going to have any impact somehow if any at all by talking with them, 

i would like this to losen up a bit and have the guarantee through the rules   

Well the thing is that the laws set by the gov factions is through IC decisions. The only times they are really OOC motivated is when there are script changes, or new things added to the server, like when license times were no longer in days but hours, or when archeology was introduced.

Crim or not, you're a civilian of the state, so like, its not unrealistic for a crim wanting to see change of laws... within reason (I don't think gov would want to abolish murder)

[alexalex303]

We've all seen how CRIM-1 was used by OTF last time criminals had easy access to helicopters. It's restricted for a reason, and that reason is that people are unwilling or unable to moderate themselves. 

[Eliza]

 

I feel like if you’re roleplaying a criminal and choose to use your helicopter for crimes you should keep it in the back of your mind that if you get caught the risk of losing your helicopter is very real, and is one of the occupational hazards

[AnakinB]

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

We've all seen how CRIM-1 was used by OTF last time criminals had easy access to helicopters. It's restricted for a reason, and that reason is that people are unwilling or unable to moderate themselves. 

god forbid a brotha match pds energy 

[Earl Mud]

I feel like you shoupdnt lose the heli unless you use your heli to commit a crime. 

[Demonmit1]

-1 there shouldn't be OOC rules to protect criminal lower RP standards. There is already enough of that. We don't need MORE double standards of RP.

[SquirtleSquad]

26 minutes ago, Earl Mud said:

I feel like you shoupdnt lose the heli unless you use your heli to commit a crime. 

I could agree to this, however I still feel these are things that could be brought up ICly, as agin this isn't really a server rule.

[Earl Mud]

19 minutes ago, SquirtleSquad said:

I could agree to this, however I still feel these are things that could be brought up ICly, as agin this isn't really a server rule.

I mean that's the issue though right? Crims bringing anything up oocly is treated the same icly most the time. "Mr Mud you have been arrested a few times so anything you say is invalid "

Edited October 27, 2025 by Earl Mud

[Ritchie Stones]

look. when you commit a crime in a heli, you are aware of committing a crime in a heli, and losing a license for that thats valid, but, when you are broken out of jail unknowing this would happen, you go along with it unknowing the concequences. i think that should be more forgiving, feeling my vibe ? 

[Ritchie Stones]

9 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

We've all seen how CRIM-1 was used by OTF last time criminals had easy access to helicopters. It's restricted for a reason, and that reason is that people are unwilling or unable to moderate themselves. 

there goes the ethernal cinical mind again, it doesnt matter what anyone propose in the server you always double down on it, 

but anyway here we go, THE INTIRE SERVER DOES NOT EXIST OUT OF OTF.
there is people who wanna be a crim, but wanna also go sightseeing, yes, i do like to see the dead body's with a view, a very expensive view infact, 

like you really think everyone is out there to abuse a script ? your wrong,  i wil never commit a crime in my heli if it means the consequences to lose it once and for all, not everyone in the city is a clapper out for blood, there is nice crims like me, i wil gift you a puppy before i kill it. im a nice guy XDXD 

[Ritchie Stones]

6 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

-1 there shouldn't be OOC rules to protect criminal lower RP standards. There is already enough of that. We don't need MORE double standards of RP.

yeah but i think it is the only way to avoid, criminals think "whatever" and soon you wil have gangmembers shooting from a heli in a lab, its unfortunate, im a believer in freedom, but unchecked freedom also becomes chaos and unchecked power, 

[Jremyboiz]

Im all for loosening some restrictions and making aviation easier for people, but I find it interesting you use domestic terrorism as an example. I think this is like the most example of examples on why someone should get their license and helicopter taken away.

[Ritchie Stones]

3 hours ago, Jremyboiz said:

Im all for loosening some restrictions and making aviation easier for people, but I find it interesting you use domestic terrorism as an example. I think this is like the most example of examples on why someone should get their license and helicopter taken away.

so. story goes about a year ago some guy was broken out of prison in which he had no idea that this would happen, eventualy he went along with it, but some guys got caught and the entire gang was put up with domestic terrorism including the person in prison who went along with it, and had no idea he would get such a charge. 

another example is that when you kill or kidnap Lewis Langley you get also domestic terrorism, at first this act looks not as dramatic since kidnapping happens frequently in the city, the consequences are pretty brutal.

- for me there is a real difference between actually getting in your chopper and comiting a crime
- or you do something on the ground, in a car or your gang does something, unaware of the heaviness of the punishment,

i never got domestic terrorism and i sure dont plan to, and i most certainly dont want gangmember shooting from a heli, 
but i think the revoking of a heli license should be more directly linked towards actualy comitting a crim with the vehicle it self.

for me i want to buy a heli and expand my roleplay character to the next level, but im kinda scared to do so, because i dont even know what the things are that can get you domestic terrorism, and the fact you maybe holding a jerrycan near a fire might be enough to be striked with it, is very repelling to invest at least 2 to 8 million dollar into. just to lose it once and for al for something you might not be aware of doing, OR your friends who are near reeally messing up with something, and you get caught along in the fire 

[Josh]

I will Say I don't believe SAAA has ever revoked a license BEFORE a crime was committed with it. 

 

What you're saying isn't really up to SAAA, its more up to the law. There is no reason we need to act and worry about like "Only theses cases", there is a list of charges that disqualifies you from having a license and of course it's not checked after you get your license often but I recently a few months ago have gone through and mostly everyone with a license don't use it or no longer in the city. 

Its on you as a player to watch your character and ensure nothing bad happens, SAAA can't be lenient just because you weren't watching your character and following that path.

Edited November 5, 2025 by alcomein5

[Ritchie Stones]

On 11/5/2025 at 2:45 AM, alcomein5 said:

I will Say I don't believe SAAA has ever revoked a license BEFORE a crime was committed with it. 

 

What you're saying isn't really up to SAAA, its more up to the law. There is no reason we need to act and worry about like "Only theses cases", there is a list of charges that disqualifies you from having a license and of course it's not checked after you get your license often but I recently a few months ago have gone through and mostly everyone with a license don't use it or no longer in the city. 

Its on you as a player to watch your character and ensure nothing bad happens, SAAA can't be lenient just because you weren't watching your character and following that path.

so you saying that, unless you commit a crime with that chopper, they wont revoke your flying licence, that is interesting, because that could really change my mind about purchasing a heli

[Josh]

Doesn't mean random background checks won't occur and if you fail that bgc then something MAY happen. and of course, you get arrested fro a serious crime Officers may request for it to be revoked. Obviously, we not going to let characters with criminal history with a license. 

That has not happened often, most of the time we have delt action after they used it, we never really had any encounter were we revoked prior to any criminal use of a aircraft. Unless your arrested for a crime where it stipulates that the pilot license should be revoked.

[Ritchie Stones]

1 minute ago, alcomein5 said:

Doesn't mean random background checks won't occur and if you fail that bgc then something MAY happen. and of course, you get arrested fro a serious crime Officers may request for it to be revoked. Obviously, we not going to let characters with criminal history with a license. 

That has not happened often, most of the time we have delt action after they used it, we never really had any encounter were we revoked prior to any criminal use of a aircraft. Unless your arrested for a crime where it stipulates that the pilot license should be revoked.

i see, here is the thing, i want to have a heli, but not for crime obviously, but i also stil want to be a criminal in rp, kinda sucks if a cant, it could be a nice view you know 

[Josh]

17 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

i see, here is the thing, i want to have a heli, but not for crime obviously, but i also stil want to be a criminal in rp, kinda sucks if a cant, it could be a nice view you know 

Well you can always make a criminal alt and a legal alt, there is no irl where a crim would have a pilot license.

[jelou]

On 10/28/2025 at 12:41 AM, Ritchie Stones said:

 

Bullshit. So a criminal can drive a car again the next day after a crime, but can’t ever fly again — even if he never used the heli for anything illegal?
Sounds like we’re tougher than real life aviation authorities

Edited November 7, 2025 by jelou
wrong Post replied. Sorry.

[Daxu]

31 minutes ago, jelou said:

Bullshit. So a criminal can drive a car again the next day after a crime, but can’t ever fly again — even if he never used the heli for anything illegal?
Sounds like we’re tougher than real life aviation authorities

Are you advocating for permanent/multi month driving license revocation? I would say it's pretty well understood that people have a need to drive in the server, which informs keeping the penalty low for driving purposes, outside of what would happen IRL. Flying is not a need, purely purely a fun alternative way of transport. Believe it or not, your driver's license used to be able to be revoked for multiple days at a time, and it was changed over the years as the community kept asking for the punishment to be scaled back.

[jelou]

Not asking for longer driving bans, just wondering why a guy who spent hours getting a heli loses everything forever, while a drunk driver gets his license back after lunch.