Kai Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) So there has been once specific scammer telling people their tacos cost $14, or lying about what the prices are and whatever other excuse he's used, as he sits outside the NCZ bank. Upon using the command, which gives no confirmation of price or purchase, it then charges you $1400. In my opinion, this is scamming. It is therefore a crime. Therefore, in an NCZ, it shouldn't be allowed. However today I was informed by staff that it's perfectly allowed. On one hand, I could go out, buy one of these and get rich, or I could report it. This guy has made at least 30k in a tiny amount of time just by scamming people in an NCZ. This especially harms new players, not to mention the fact that he is also doing this to new players, which in itself is scamming (at least in my opinion), and as you cannot scam/thieve from new players, it's another rule break. Allowing this to occur, creates multiple problems and loopholes and I feel it is irresponsible to allow it. One fix would be at least a confirmation pop up or at least something in chat which serves as confirmation and notification of price. Edited March 23, 2019 by Kai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st3fan333 Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) +1 Scamming is a crime. No Crime Zone is a zone in where crimes are not to be committed as this is against server rules! You are totally right and whoever said that the taco seller can do this is an absolute idiot. Check this post out; Edit: Link to other post added. Edited March 23, 2019 by st3fan333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinsali Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) +1 for the "scamming should not be allowed there" Not every crime is forbidden inside the NCZs, at least according to the roleplaying guide: Scamming could be easily aded to this. At the same time I think this is OOC scamming and thus also a problem outside of the NCZ. Like why would I (my char) EVER give $1400 for a Taco? If it's played out really well, like e.g. I pay with a credit card and the dude /me's that he puts in another price, or w/e. But like this? I just never know how much I'll pay. +1 for the "add confirmation window or other way to know the price" Edited March 23, 2019 by Sinsali see below, Admin cleared it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flucifial Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, Sinsali said: -1 for the "scamming should not be allowed there" Not every crime is forbidden inside the NCZs, at least according to the roleplaying guide: Examples of allowed crimes: Drug/Alcohol Use in Public. Drug/Weapon Dealing. Prostitution. Any Possession Charge. Scamming could be easily aded to this. At the same time I think this is OOC scamming. Like why would I (my char) EVER give $1400 for a Taco? If it's played out really well, like e.g. I pay with a credit card and the dude /me's that he puts in another price, or w/e. But like this? I just never know how much I'll pay. +1 for the "add confirmation window or other way to know the price" Every crime is forbidden inside of NCZ's, the rule has changed and the Roleplay Guide has yet to be updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted March 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sinsali said: -1 for the "scamming should not be allowed there" snip Yeah it's less about the fact that the scamming is taking place - it's more that there should be a way to see what you're spending. It is against NCZ rules as no crime is allowed at all. If this was real life, nobody would somehow drag $1400 (or a more realistic but expensive irl number) for a taco... There should be a confirmation message or pop up Edited March 23, 2019 by Kai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinsali Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, Kai said: If this was real life, nobody would somehow drag $1400 (or a more realistic but expensive irl number) for a taco... That's exactly what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st3fan333 Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sinsali said: -1 for the "scamming should not be allowed there" Not every crime is forbidden inside the NCZs, at least according to the roleplaying guide: Examples of allowed crimes: Drug/Alcohol Use in Public. Drug/Weapon Dealing. Prostitution. Any Possession Charge. Scamming could be easily aded to this. At the same time I think this is OOC scamming. Like why would I (my char) EVER give $1400 for a Taco? If it's played out really well, like e.g. I pay with a credit card and the dude /me's that he puts in another price, or w/e. But like this? I just never know how much I'll pay. +1 for the "add confirmation window or other way to know the price" I can’t find the information about the allowed crimes. Could you direct me to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinsali Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, st3fan333 said: I can’t find the information about the allowed crimes. Could you direct me to it? I was referring to the roleplay guide. See above: cleared up by admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st3fan333 Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kai said: Yeah it's less about the fact that the scamming is taking place - it's more that there should be a way to see what you're spending. It is against NCZ rules as no crime is allowed at all. If this was real life, nobody would somehow drag $1400 (or a more realistic but expensive irl number) for a taco... There should be a confirmation message or pop up Could be a credit card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flucifial Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, st3fan333 said: I can’t find the information about the allowed crimes. Could you direct me to it? 4 minutes ago, Flucifial said: Every crime is forbidden inside of NCZ's, the rule has changed and the Roleplay Guide has yet to be updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vKarsoN Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sinsali said: +1 for the "scamming should not be allowed there" Not every crime is forbidden inside the NCZs, at least according to the roleplaying guide: Scamming could be easily aded to this. At the same time I think this is OOC scamming and thus also a problem outside of the NCZ. Like why would I (my char) EVER give $1400 for a Taco? If it's played out really well, like e.g. I pay with a credit card and the dude /me's that he puts in another price, or w/e. But like this? I just never know how much I'll pay. +1 for the "add confirmation window or other way to know the price" This is exactly my thoughts with the whole taco scam. Should be ban-able through Bad RP imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st3fan333 Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 @Flucifial I thought so because I have been told by someone that the rules have changed just before I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmokes Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Taco truck scamming is non rp straight up. They need to fix the way we pay for it like we pay for anything else on the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pegorino Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 I see it as its not scamming if you choose to go the taco and pay for it then thats on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted March 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, DDevastatedTV said: I see it as its not scamming if you choose to go the taco and pay for it then thats on you The point is that the seller will say "oh its only $100" or something. The command /buytaco does not give us notification of the price or anything, it simply buys it. In this case, for $1400. It is literally the definition of scamming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmokes Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 It is scamming because there is no way around it, We don't get to see what they are actually charging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoobDude Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 As someone who's been a victim to this scam, I agree to this suggestion. I came to this city to make money, not to get scammed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pegorino Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Dont be silly enough to buy then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted March 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, DDevastatedTV said: Dont be silly enough to buy then Your advice is that nobody should ever buy tacos. Great advice mate, to just remove a whole role in gameplay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmokes Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, DDevastatedTV said: Dont be silly enough to buy then Is this guy serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoobDude Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, DDevastatedTV said: Dont be silly enough to buy then How is this guy a support staff? Baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGTHICCC Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 14 should not translate to 1400, this needs a genuine fix and should be simple, dont act as if its sheer stupidity causing the issue, hell, you could even set a maxprice for tacos at like $150 or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted March 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Lets not keep the questioning of support staff's opinions. If this is indeed not currently against rules, then he is just following and agreeing how it is now. Doesn't mean he doesn't work hard or that he doesn't do his job. He just has a different opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmokes Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kai said: Lets not keep the questioning of support staff's opinions. If this is indeed not currently against rules, then he is just following and agreeing how it is now. Doesn't mean he doesn't work hard or that he doesn't do his job. He just has a different opinion. His opinion is that its the players fault that they were misinformed by the person selling the tacos, when there is no way to check what the price of the taco is on our end. Its not even close to RP because that would never happin in RL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st3fan333 Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, DDevastatedTV said: I see it as its not scamming if you choose to go the taco and pay for it then thats on you Read my comment. It explains the meaning of a ‘scam’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
