Mrpyth0n33

I agree with this, I am part of one of those factions mentioned and yes, we might still be active, but it's as you say dispite and not because of it, alot of us "active" factions have lost members and motivation and those of us active daily are so in trying to keep our factions alive, as higher ups in a faction we have to stay active and motivated to encourage our members to be more active or get new recruits as well, as alot of the crim side players have become discouraged, even left and your suggestions are going to be a breath of fresh air to crim and LEO alike it is as you are saying while we have a player count is the time to act prevention is better then cure

This chain of thinking is where devs and founders get confused, alot of people, would not just go clapping, they might actually have time to unwind hang out with friends, role play more outside of just grinding, rolling labs for easy pickings if money is easier accessible less people would be inclined to just fight to take what others grind for because why? I earned enough to be happy with for the day so I'd love to spend some time socialising away from the grind? Just maybe there's so many more that think like that, often times I get asked by people I just wanna hang out with, let's rather go do stores or a bank I wanna save to get a new elegy or whatever, I need a house I need to grind, imma go do trucking I need 100k more we will hang later. Etc, less grind more socialising time for crims like civs and legals do, as their paycheck is garaunteed, no risk, no fines

+1 could even make them heavier but invise in car or just implement the backpack that fuses with player inventory can keep the current bags for heavier items that you need to "carry" in hand still but get a backpack script that's maybe also even to player inventory of 50 vol so you can conceal carry some items at least not only against LEO eyes but other crim too that will literally chase you around the map 3 times cause they saw a 50 on your back

Cops won't shoot? That's news to me and I'm playing devil's advocate on the other side as well, no harm meant here just saying it how I see it on the other side of a cops gun lol, I have had a gun drawn on me instead off a razer, without a gun in hand or direct lethal threat, I personally won't try and run if I see a lethal pulled on me or pull mine, I guess it depends but I would not even pull a gun comfortably on a tazer pointed at me I'd lose the fight lol, but trust me cops open fire more often then not when met with a threat, so crim saying a cop can't shoot is wild, irl in some countries cops would not use lethal UNLESS actively being shot at but at a criminal running away they would not use lethal resisting arrest, they would not shoot, but that's only my opinion, what another interesting topic is, would be cops need to give proper demands, according to their lore, for eg.an investigation was held and ends in a lab they should be held accountable for announcing themselves as there and a form of demands, such as LSPD surrender or force will be used= to everyone in the labs hands up or you will be shot, from a crim pushing a lab, like make it fair for the people inside to know a fight might break out and not just a sniper round or 55 heavies going off and them not knowing it's the cops till it's too late, as said in the other post I don't regularly do labs just the reports, encounters iv been told of icly by friends of mine after their doc time, also not bashing LEOs just an interesting topic hope it doesn't become a toxic discussion

I agree with this as well t could have 20% of passing out as the painkiller script works, I'd say after the 2nd pop of a drug or drug on drug in a small frame of time like popping cocaine 2 times in a certain time frame has the chance of knocking you out imagine mid fight you pop your second line of coke and drop to the floor due to overdose but with a 20% chance of it happening

Same can be said about other avenues on the server, bank robberies don't have role play either for example, I met Leo's who don't play a character, they simply use the scripts available, there's a difference between role-playing and interacting, people criticise lab life repetitive demands and actions, same can be said about LEOs traffic stop, check licence write citation or step out of the car frisk and /jail, or read rights after cuffs and /jail, little rp lots of interactions. Not just people who plays drug avenues do repetitive tasks for the same outcome, and it's not just drugs that were nerfed ALL crim activities were nerfed to be on the same level monetary wise as they were after months of grind to get max level, go jobs pay per the hour guaranteed hourly salary even if you die or get kidnapped on duty so you don't lose a thing, I think why many complain about the cooking compared to other activities is the risk involved

I appoligise if that's how it came across, I simply wanted to bring about that exact point, it's disappointing to see people criticize the avenue other players have chosen in the server, and enjoy it, I'm simply telling it as I see it, don't mean to be on the offense or defense but as someone that plays crim and doesn't go to labs I see the concerns of those who do and being told, get better is not the way to comfort these players concerns, especially from players who admitted they have never played that avenue, it's all personal choice, I love dj quiet by the way, if ever anyone asks me if I know a dj I always have and always will say find dj quiet or sammy

Actually I don't do labs either, but the people I rp with make their money from it to come and interact with us as a faction, so less people wanna cook due to the risk vs reward, as you said was already not worth it and has now massively been nerfed and as you said you never bothered with it yet you criticise the people who in fact take the risk, to get the reward I'm not in labs 24/7 but I respect how each player chooses to play and you shooting down their concerns seems not very nice, they spend hours cooking praying they don't get pushed by other crim, robbed of hours of time spent, or cops comping the lab, they found the risk vs reward worth it now they raise concerns over the change and all you do it criticism, you chose to play leo and they chose that avenue to shoot their concerns down saying stop crying these other ways to make money yet you say its not as lucrative, no one grinds to only buy guns trust me, what did you grind for as a crim ? Cars houses events everything costs money, 8f all Leo's pay per hour got nerfed x4 and they complained about it, I personally wouldn't tell them stop crying because I'm not the one it impacts

Exactly you just logged 8n for a change of scenery, a quick evade a quick gun fight and you get beat go to doc log out and into your main character, not much of a grind felt as you no longer main your crim it's the people who spend hours everyday on crim and can feel the grind that are complaining, not the casual every once in a while, because I still have a crim alt And how was the player count, then vs now, we should be listening to concerns not shutting them down with you will be fine, it's nothing new to complain, you will get over it in the years I been on here I seen people come and go, even saw a new player comment on this exact thread saying he doesn't like what he has read and he has only been here almost 2 weeks

Always having a civ job and just evading is not putting hours, days, months even years into main crim either as I said LEO mains with troll, crim alts always criticising current crim circumstances, remember I was a crim before you created "Billy the drunk" as a troll/meme character, and even then crime were not nerfed half as much as they are now, point of this post is not how crim life used to be it's how much of a grind it has now come to, please highlight how it encourages role play to have to grind 4x as much as it was, you say cook and sell high grade drugs to others, to get to level 100 you need to cook 13k of drugs, there are people who are not willing to sit and pray they don't get pushed for hours everyday to reach that level in a few months so they just use their already acquired weapons to push, rob and take your drugs, chop parts etc not every interaction is essentially role play, it's just that, an interaction or encounter

Sorry to say this, but devs founders, and even LEOs need to hear this, sadly this update is the begining of the end of crim rp, the only people always singing, it's so easy to make money as a crim are LEO or legal mains that played crim before crim was nerfed hard several times only this year alone, you will always hear back when I played crim, never I did it now and it was easy, I logged on several times after the recent update and guess how many of my friends and faction members I found online actively doing crime, 0 so many people complain, yet it's used to play crim legal mains praising the current system, go main crim in today's economy and come back, and praise the system, it's people active in the field complaining, hear their concerns instead of reminiscing over how crim life used to be and focus on current crim mains concerns they make up half the server imagine every crim main gave up crime it would cut player count in half and LEOs would have to log into their troll crim alts to give the other LEOs role play or interaction at least, iv mained crim/civ for all the years I been on ecrp and have seen several seasons of it, yet every post I see is people that played crim for a while months or years back saying stop crying crim is easy, making money is easy, yet without money not many role play scenarios work, if its easier to get money less people would grind, loot goblin, chasing someone for an hour risking multiple heavy weapons to gain 3 plants or 1 .50 because it's easier then grinding hours tucked away and avoiding interaction to actually make money, interaction is not lucrative, rp is not built grinding, weather it's a few tucked away for hours holding a lab cooking, praying no one pops up to "role play" or someone grinding trucking for hours or days watching YouTube, the harder you come by money the less likely role play takes place, the faster money is acquired the less time spent grinding and the more time to actually role play, have or attend events because you can afford to and take a break socializing

I agree with you tazers are insane hitting through solid glass windows throwing you out the car, or spamming unlimited amounts of times needs a change, but locking on? So it'll be similarly like hit your first tazer shot or second and /drag and the perp is locked to the cop no catching them lacking and attempting another escape prolonging rp instead of just hit tazer lock on to perp read rights and /jail

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