Sam Axe

theres that (join a gang part again), gangs are capped now so most arent taking new members. the problem again is simple. when 1 group controls everything and have all the power, it kills the experience for the rest. the gang im in on 1 account does nothing more than go to labs, take plants, tell people to go away while we harvest, go back and cook. its boring af for gangs now. so if your going to argue that im trying to make a shortcut for myself and others is just ignorant. your logic here is on the level of telling people who get stuff stolen in the apartments because of an exploit now "oh, you shouldnt have bought an apartment or atleast you should have custom built the entire thing for 40k and never go to sleep so people cant do the impossible" they should patch the problem, not tell people to find a way to counter it just to make the 40 people doing the exploit happy

that last part about access was about the weapons. at least muskets need to be added for hunting

i have a few characters. some civi, law, gang and small crim. im not trying to make the game better for myself but make it better for the community. part of the reason i left a long time ago was gangs dominate everything. unless you join them your basicly f'd in the wanting to just play for fun. im more of a realism rp kinda guy, i think rp should be as close to life as possible and still be fun. it just pains me to see ecrp restricting 80% of the game for people unless you join a gang. and im not sure if you meant that or not "The firearm license is being abused so much and floating the market with heavy licensed firearms is very stupid in my opinion. " if you meant currently its allowing people to get heavy weapons, your wrong. they currently are not available to the public. but even you have to agree that when confronted with making something fun for 90 people but piss off 10, or make 10 people happy and piss off 90. for a rp community they need to choose what keeps people playing and coming back. limiting things unless your in a gang and even then still not having realistic access causes people to leave and not come back

today im suggesting adding shotguns, muskets, and m4's into amunation. i know gangs are gonna see this and go "oh woe is me, this is a terrible idea. civilians should only get anything from us. Massive -1) but hear me out. currently to get a gun from there to begin with you have to have a clean background so its already restricted and only legal gun buys are allowed. plenty of people in real life have these and way more types of guns and it would add a bit more fun into the game. these arent only for self defense but here are the guns i think we could agree realistically should be added for sale legally and have completely legal uses (as long as you have a firearms license). Pistols: Ceramic Pistol, Heavy Revolver, Flare Gun. Rifles: M4, Musket, Shotguns: Pump Shotgun Melee: Manchette and Calvary Knife Sniper Rifles: Sniper Rifle, (Would be a rule where this and the musket are only allowed to be used for hunting and would be against the rules to use them against a player) Equipment: Flares there shouldnt be much reason not to add these to amunation as i can see only 1 argument. "bad idea to give civilians access to heavy weapons". the only way civilians can even get guns at amunation is if they have a firearms license. to argue these items cant be trusted to people is kinda silly since if you ever use them to commit a crime and get caught, they are taken away and you loose all legal ability to own a firearm. just like how firearms are available for people already but we dont see legal firearms being used in crimes, (atleast often) this totally confirms giving legal access wont cause a large spike in illegal crime. the rifle is a long shot, no pun intended. im more aiming, again no pun intended, for the musket. these should be allowed for hunting and may cut down on people using cars and bikes to chase down animals as the normal rifle has thermal scopes which would make people actually go on foot to hunt rather than chasing pigs and rats on motorcycles. pump shotguns or atleast double barrel's should be available but no other shotguns to civilians as self defense weapons against house raids and robberies. finally the m4, i dont think its a necessity and honestly wouldnt want it to be added but it could have rp instances where it could be helpful such as, hunting, sports shooting, or even self defense in ones home/property. for the flare gun and flares i think they should be added and could be used by players if they are down. this allows for people to better direct ems or other emergency services if they go down on a mountain, secluded beech or somewhere really hard to find even with a blimp. we already have a .50 so there isnt a reason to not add the heavy revolver as it has 2x the damage but half the fire rate. it would basically just make people choose between faster fire but less speed or vice versa. Someone brought up an extremely good point that people could just begin reporting Firearms lost or stolen and could flood the market eventually. For that reason if this was implemented I would recommend implementing a system along with it where, once you buy a gun a timer begins set for somewhere between 7 or 14 days in Real Life Time before you could purchase a gun again for that slot. If say for example, you bought a gun and then bought another two days later you would be able to buy 2 Firearms again but only after the 12th day and then the 14th day after the original purchases whether you have them or not

The static labs are overwhelmed. Today was the first time I had decided to go down there since tables were added in and literally within a couple minutes of getting there I was robbed, then a car showed up which robbed the guy robbing me where they told me to leave, followed by more people showing up in two cars that robbed them resulting in a shootout that caused a swat raid on 20+ people. I don't think somebody who's new to the game would enjoy that very much... or at least the ones who want to roleplay and get a realistic experience. And .50's wouldn't be added either, like I said. the only illegal weapon they could get would be regular pistols. The single Beretta pistol that you could get at ammunition would be the only gun you could buy illegally unless you're part of a gang. That way if new people are unable to get a gun license for whatever reason and had the money and are new players they can still defend themselves

The problem is that even when acting smart you still get can get scammed. Especially when there is only one way to obtain an item that is probably one of the only realistic ways for people who don't want to commit to a government job to make money with. And actually it does make total sense that a Smuggler would have access to those things. You can look up hundreds of documentaries about Gun Runners, drug smugglers, and all kinds of major organizations like that. The Guadalajara cartel used to smugle Pablo Escobar's cocaine with Pablo's rivals that was made in Colombia and then shipped to the United States ( this was when all of the Colombia cartels were at War by the way) The only time in real life when Smugglers work for one organization is usually when they are in a full-scale war and forced to pick a side and even then, many still have several resources and only stopped selling to other gangs. And finally, people do try to make connections to the gangs but the problem is that for many people two roadblocks hard. The first is that usually gto et the gang to be serious about supplying you with tables or equipment you have to order a very large order. I mean several hundred thousands of dollars worth and then the majority of the time they don't want to do it because they think it's a sting for it to be that much money. By the time most players reach that kind of point they no longer need the tables either. And then the second roadblock is if that all goes totally fine the person usually is not willing to hand over that much money and risk being scammed after grinding that long to make that much. There needs to be some kind of system in place to allow people in the in between spot where gangs are too busy to deal with or they are so insignificant and dont matter to the gang in the first place to have some sort of chance. I have personally reached out to several gangs and offered far above market value (60k a table once) but they never want to do business with myself or many others. The only way I was able to get in was blackmailing somebody who I had caught in the act with calling the police. All the gangs seem interested in is doing shipments and keeping everything for themselves since they can make more money making these things themselves rather than selling the tools to the community. That's why the average criminal needs to have some access

I think you might have missed part where I covered that "certain items would still be only for gangs, like heavy weapons" The only thing that would change from the current system about weapons with what I'm suggesting would be the possibility of maybe allowing people to import just the regular pistol in the game but it would only be like one or two at a time. The most important thing that really needs to be at least somewhat publicly available is the tables and some form of illegal handgun in the system is mostly what I'm suggesting.

I think you just missed the entire point of the post. The problem isn't about being scammed, which is the fault of the party that gave the money. The point is that gangs have way too much control with Imports and are literally killing the experience for anybody wanting to do anything remotely fun on the criminal side. If you want to get a table? You have to go through a gang who will not give you one unless you join them most of the time. Want an illegal firearm? Same exact thing, want anything important that can help your experience be more fun? Too bad. Then they will just trick new players into giving them all of their money ruining the experience and then they never come back. What is happening now is literally the equivalent of if the police department told people nobody is allowed to drive cars anymore unless they get a permit from the police department (not the dmv anymore) then charge people $15,000 to take a driving test. Then after you pay the cop they just run off with your money and say too bad. And then people like you tell those people, well you never should have trusted somebody who you didn't know. The problem is when there is no alternative like in this case people and more specifically new players have to take that risk. Because the only other option is to run everywhere instead of being able to drive

big +1

a good example that the scamming is getting out of control was a post on discord 30 mins before i wrote this: I was trying to buy something from two dudes and i am a new player and i gave them the cash and then they held me at gunpoint and ran off. I thought you can not rob or scam new players am i right (he was buying something only gangs can get) and here are a couple other quotes. "I mean, what's the limit of robbing/scamming a player? I can rob as much as I want?". "everybody offering me cars and guns off the street. Are the car offers a scam/legal?" all of those 3 in 1 week and countless others are at the result of gang scams

after the new update, it makes more sense than ever to give "mostly" free access to people. lately some gangs are only importing and then members are scamming people instead of offloading items and keeping them for themselves. sense to acquire any of the importable items you have to go through a gang that can then choose to not give these items to people, its borderline idiotic to not fix this. now dont get me wrong, i understand that gangs need something they can monopolize. (ill get to that in a moment) but for a vast majority of the community people started off by making and selling drugs. now with 300-400 people knowing where the labs are, they are being raided constantly (partially by gangs) for plants or simply just to rob new players trying to learn. (ooc, while watching a lab today i saw 15+ players today all trying to rob each other at the labs and laughed my a$$ off) thats why im suggesting to change the system to this: if you find a smuggler you can import illegal items but, as a higher financial cost and face limited quantity / items. (this also wouldnt effect the gangs import power) this would be a 200%-400% mark up more than official gang members can import for and proceeds would go directly to the gang's treasury. this removes 2 issues, 1 people that cant find members, and 2: some members of gangs scamming in drastically unrealistic levels. lets be honest, a drug table in real life isnt only obtainable by gangs. the only thing's you cant legally get are the drugs themselves which you can legally buy the ingredients for. ingame what your buying is a plastic table with a burner and various glass bottles. this doesnt hurt gangs whatsoever as its literally free money for just giving these people access to use the gangs resources to import items. people would also be limited in how much they can import compared to gang counterparts (like 1-2 tables per 4 irl hours etc). now, to counteract concerns about people having access to dangerous weapons that can turn the city into a gta online lobby. certain items would still be only for gangs, like heavy weapons. this allows gangs to have control over heavy weapons and allows enough access to small time criminals that it levels the playing field. this is the best option as it benefits gangs by increasing revenue for them for the same amount or even less work and gives a option to people to pay way less but have a increased risk of getting scammed or pay more and guaranteed to get the items you want or need that gangs are either hoarding for themselves, or just dont have time to deal with. this also would fix the gangs having a monopoly and make them compete financially with each other trying to lower prices and outbid each other. finally a fun and entertaining idea i want to suggest, allow anyone to interrogate smugglers to gain intel. its kind of dumb we have rules about fear rp where people have been banned because they refused to give safe pin codes to people after being taken hostage or shot, but an ai doesnt care that 5+ people are demanding him tell you a ball park idea where a shipment is coming in while guns are pointed at him because "if i die my friends will come get you." are you serious? in a game if this happened with a real player that dude would be gone so fast he would be like the roadrunner. just because your part of a gang doesnt mean you have protection from fear and neither should the ai. now if everyone could get the intel, gangs would have people constantly raid the drops. so im suggesting this, you have to have bolt cutters, a drill, or knife. each would have a certain amount of time where you would interrogate to try and get the information (just like picking locks), if your not interrupted by the end of that amount of time he will then give you the general area where the crate is coming in. this will make gangs stay in and patrol areas they control acting as protection (just like real life) and increases gang activity. heres the pros and cons of these as i view them, Pros: stops some gang members from scamming large groups of players with no chance of retaliation, stops people from camping drug labs only to rob people as it will increase people cooking at home, force gangs to be more active in the supply and demand side for unofficial gangs or small criminals, make gangs patrol sections of areas they own to prevent intel leaks, make the game more fun and balanced for small criminals who are starting out Cons: large gangs will have to be more active and set up patrols in areas they own, this will increase how spread out a gang is which means less members hanging out together, less black-market runs as some will rather just to pay the fee and not even risk getting scammed and be willing to take the massive financial hit, police would need to increase patrols in those areas to counteract gangs increasing activity which will result in more police vs gang escalation situations. anyway, hope you guys let me know what you like or dont like and maybe make your own suggestions to this. im sure the vast majority of the community can defiantly agree on most of these things and maybe even some gangs will too. remember this before trying to argue for one side or the other tho. "you cant play cowboys and indians without the indians and if every time you play, the cowboys win because they have 50 cal machineguns. eventually the indians give up and stop playing. and then there is no game or fun for anyone. dont argue for your experience, argue for the community experience."

thats cool and all but i think a discount for sale prices for factions depending on size and stuff like that would still be really cool

That would be cool. Maybe later on an online market kind of like ebay would be cool too. (eHey), but still the main thing i think is needed is people to have easier access to the dark web if they dont want to be part of a gang or cant find one

Kind of like how citybees work. They are more work than getting a taxi and more expensive. But if taxis arent online or available, you can use them so 'your not restricted from playing'

I dont think it would create more negative effects than it would good tho. Not only would it be more expensive but a increased chance of 30% of the cops getting tipped off compared to a gang's % being at where it is now. This would make alot of people not do it and only ones who are willing to take a much higher risk. Its more a idea of, if gangs wont sell them out of fear, spite or just want to cut off the gun trade. or you simply cant locate a gang to buy items from.

for the setting up a gang controlled area, by nearby i mean a ped would have the needed amount of players within 10 feet of the ped

first off let me make clear, im not suggesting removing gangs from the community but im going to suggest something that will make the community more fun for gangs, police and criminals. i think everyone can agree right now crim life is pretty dead compared to what it was. a few things i think mostly caused this was adding a cap to gang sizes, making it so you had to go through a gang to get a table, and the changes to robbery rules. (i actually agree with the robbery rules) i think a rework of gangs needs to be seriously discussed and changed to the following type of system. (official gang status would be removed and nobody could acquire it). this allows anyone with enough small connections to create a gang that only people who come into contact with them would know about. this would allow gangs to control more territory as they could control areas based on the size and not having to be official, this also means gang limit caps wont exist and can grow to any number based on territory they own instead of a cap. this mainly allows gangs to control anything from streets, blocks, and even cities based on size and reputation in the community. this would also add a stealth option for smaller gangs to try and stay under the radar until they are ready to make themselves known to other gangs. instead of the current system i suggest adding a feature where sections of cities would have to have to have a certain amount of players in a territory (15+ nearby) , pay a fee (100k-500k), and own a certain# of property's or wherehouses (1+) in that zone. once these requirements are met, all scriptable illegal activities in that zone now would give a % based fee on all sales in that zone to approved members determined by the approved users (set just like property owner permissions) (dark web would be accessible to anyone) currently a broken system is in where to get things only obtainable outside of the country (gta map) has to be acquired by a gang who can import as much as they want and charge any price. with only 2 or 3 active factions, this kills the possible criminal roleplay on a smaller level because they can get something restricted to players otherwise sort of like a monopoly. nothing stops them currently from importing say 10 rifles for 10k, then charging 5, 10, 20 or 50k per rifle. mainly tho, this means regardless of how much money your willing to spend, unless the faction has enough members online or like you enough you wont get the item. for this 2 things would need to be added, a vpn type system and discounts. if you are not listed on any gang hq like earlier mentioned, you would have a 30% chance for the sales to tip off the cops. this gives a huge advantage to gangs to hold territories as it will remove the risk of shipments tipping off cops. in these territories just like how a gang would have a smaller chance to tip off the cops they also would get a discount based on the territory they own. this allows people to still go to gangs to try and acquire these items as they wont have such a high risk of getting arrested (just like how the fbi is on the dark web all the time). and also allows smaller groups to try and acquire hardware to increase the criminal side's activity but increases the law enforcement's anti gang activity side aswell i have more suggestions but i feel like these are the main ones i wanted to share and get some feedback on. hopefully these would get gangs new life, reason to exist and add a option for gang wars to be a thing aswell.

easy enough? ive been back in the city for a few days after being gone a while and have been trying to buy a couple items from some gangs. either they are so hidden you cant make contact unless you approach them on a job after following them. which by the ways really damages the relationship right off the bat to follow them to a job or back to theyre base. otherwise its nearly impossible and only by luck to contact them outside of a job. even when i did find gangs and offered way above value for these items they still have issues delivering sense the update to gang limits. i used to have mixed feelings about a public blackmarket type setup concerned it would kill the gangs off but now im totally on board. ecrp strives to be as close to life as possible and lets be honest. in real life people use the dark web to buy drugs, guns and all kinds of stuff but because the police know about it, the danger of being arrested is there, even with a vpn. and before people complain about it killing off gangs, why not give a discount for buying on the computer for gang factions of 20%-30% and regular folks who use it pay normal price but that 20%-30% (depending on the gang that controls the pickup area) goes to the gang as a tax for using it in theyre area and it wont notify other factions (including the ones that own that zone) so it doesnt have a chance to be stolen. it still could be traced by the police tho.

im referring to people who ask people to go to the bank to make a trade or sale for something. after they don't give over the property/money and just take off even after you got all that information. say your at the bank and you get someone's license and have a contract made up, then after they signed you give them the money but they just run off. happened to me once and the cop said they cant do anything because the banks a NCZ so they couldn't investigate, then I asked for a admin and they said scamming at ncz's was allowed and I couldn't get the money back. (even tho I had a contract with the guys license and name in game along with a video)

but it would keep people playing

I hate to say it as someone who gets sent to the hospital a lot but +1

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first let me start with a brief point about why these next rules need to be added asap, ive been playing a couple of months but and already leaving the community due to people scamming people only at the bank or robbing people because someone's just bored. ive been robbed simply by just driving down the highway by gangs of like 5 or 6 people who take the car with them and just hide it on the other side of the map or submerge it just to be a d***. so here is the rules im suggesting so others don't leave either. there should be 3 levels of robbing based on the money or affiliation with the victim you will have, (Low Level Robberies) these are the types of robberies that are random and you don't know the person or affiliation normally, you should only be able to rob someone at random if you have less than $20,000 in your bank account, you cant use a luxury type car/bike, and are using a gun valued at less than 12k to commit the robbery. - this is more realistic sense some people on the server that have literally $100K are robbing people where ever they want. if you have 100k in a bank account in real life your not going to risk all that just for a couple hundred dollars and risk death unless your utterly insane which with the fear rp rule isn't justified as a reason to break a rule. (Gang Robberies) - you should only be allowed to rob a gang if you have a gang already, have 2 people, or have had some kind of bad type of contact with the gang before hand. these it wouldn't matter how much money you have in your account. (drug labs) - ok, as someone who has never robbed someone at a lab lets just pretend I did for the sake of this one. if someone is at a druglab and its robbed, both parties would have to leave the lab and not come back for at least 20 minutes irl time, in a lot of cases someone will wait at a lab till they see someone, rob it after a couple of minutes and they will drive off (this is fine) - or go back to the spot, wait and in like 2 minutes go back and rob it again and its the same person cooking. this is completely ridiculous to think someone would just wait at the place they just got robbed at just to keep trying to cook, once in a session a dude got robbed at the same lab soo much the guys finally just called the cops on him to get him arrested because he was not leaving after they robbed him. last one is that scamming someone should be illegal and if it happens, the police would investigate and determine the outcome. I know there should be a risk if someone tries to avoid paying taxes but more often than not lately that's not the case. the high end market is overloaded with cars people are trying to flip to the point it cant even take any more. this would be a case where someone would have to take it public and not just trying to avoid paying the taxes but may be desperate like needing to pay police tickets, a loan, or countless other reasons. I say put in a command that allows you to sell something to someone but sends part of the money to the government as a tax. this would both eliminate the reason a lot of people are having to sell things privately because the car lots are full. if someone gets scammed and payed the tax the police would be able to actually launch a investigation for some fun scenarios, btw the way it would work is if the police determined the sale was a scam the person would file a lost item claim on the site representing magistrate court which is something people use in real life to hold people accountable who try to scam people. then it would be given back and a warrant for fraud would be added to the scammer. and finally it would stop the level of fear of scams that are putting private sales of vehicles and property to a halt. these are my suggestions to hopefully help keep players having fun in the future. personally ive tried to keep playing but I just cant, any time I try to buy something from someone it just turns into a "HAHA Surprise! your getting robbed!" or "HAHA! Thanks for the car moron!" situation. everytime I see someone at a gas station I go around the block a few times until they leave just to get gas,(ive seen others do it too) and its just insane to call it rp at this point for millionaires or gangs to be robbing random people at gas stations because they are bored. with any common sense nobody with a lot to loose is going to risk it for a couple dollars. I get there needs to be robberies to keep it realistic but this needs to get fixed. I really loved my time here and may play again one day in the future but I joined to play a rp server, not a robbers vs cops and civilians server

Honestly the big thing with this I don't understand is it the people can already be arrested for committing fraud why wouldn't they have to give back the property that they committed the crime for

Definitely, I kept trying to sell a vehicle while ago and nobody wanted to even talk to me and kept saying Go away scammer just because I was trying to sell my car