Sam Axe

To be frankly honest I've always kind of wondered how many new players worked for like a week every single day just to buy one vehicle and then go to the bank and not realize like you said, don't know about the tax system and get tricked out of their vehicle and never come back because of it

That's not the reason people do it though, sometimes people don't do it to Simply avoid the tax. Sometimes it's because the car markets are totally full or somebody had an auction on the website try to figure out how much money to sell a building for. In the second scenario just think out of fear of being scammed if somebody did allow the person to buy the building and pay the taxes what would stop somebody from watching auctions and if they don't win it they just wait in a bush nearby for somebody to put the house on the market for the auction price so they pay the tax and out jumps mr. Lost the auction and buys the house before anyone reacts

That's exactly what happened to me a couple days ago. Needed some fast cash and i tried to sell my vehicle at HE but I couldn't because it was totally full so I was forced to take a huge and I mean huge loss and sell the vehicle for a Max of 30 k at the LE

But in some situations that's not the reason people do Private Sales, you have things like auctions on the website for properties, vehicles and sometimes people just want to get more money for them or like in 1 case I needed to make some fast cash and tried to sell my vehicle but the high-end Market didn't allow for any more Vehicles because it was already full and basically forced me to take a huge hit and sell On The Low End Market. If I could have done a private sale without a risk of being scammed I wouldn't have lost so much money. having to sell the vehicle for less than $30,000 because the high-end Market was full

Not exactly, I'm more suggesting maybe even adding a contract fee where the two parties would agree that they would need to sign a contract and maybe they could even pay a lower tax rate and it would only be one or 2% tax for the total sale or pay a flat rate fee that would go maybe to the state. And if I may not everybody does a private sale to avoid taxes, I know that a lot of people do it for that reason but sometimes it's just because the dealerships are sometimes full, People need cash that moment or they just want to sell it to a friend / have an auction and not have to worry about somebody waiting outside the house after the auction is over for the person to run up and really quickly as soon as they lower the price to the amount the guy who won the auction paid some guy hopped out the bushes and buys the house house before the guy can even react

Recently I've seen tons of people getting scammed and that's why I'm suggesting a new system that would void certain types of scams on certain basis. First off I understand that there needs to be a risk someone takes when trying to avoid taxes like in real life but I think there needs to be a limit and to be realistic. If you go to a bank or certain other institutions or maybe even find an attorney you should be able to request them to write up a contract. It would basically say something like the first party agrees to give an amount of money and the second party agrees that upon receiving the money they would hand over the property or Goods and you would have to have their ID at the time of signing .Of course if someone hands over their own property and the person still tries to scam them they would not be able to do so because they've voided a legal contract and basically committed fraud allowing the person to get their property back. Upon investigating it if the police see no evidence that one of the parties held up their end, the person who got scammed would get their property back and the scammer would have a warrant placed for their arrest. fraud is also in the Los Santos Police Department penal codes if you would like to see for yourself or just read the lspd definition for fraud: 22 Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain There are several other laws these people break when scamming as well. So if it's illegal already how does this make sense that you can't get the property back that was illegally obtained and the government says the guy who committed fraud to gain the property is now the legal owner while also being able arrest him for taking that property that the government says he owns now? I know some viewpoints will be hey if you try to avoid a tax on a $100,000 car and get scammed well that's just on you but we really need to note something important. The whole argument for allowing the system in currently is that since you're not paying tax to the government the sale would be sort of illegal and therefore risky but if it's illegal in the first place why would the government system get updated that the property was transferred over instantly and person B is now the legal owner even if he was arrested for illegally getting the property from the person? If someone is found guilty of fraud contracts are reversed irl so why not allow a rule that says: if you sign a contract ( and showed your license at the time of signing) if the police find you guilty of fraud/arrest you, once they find the property it goes back to the original owner upon being seized by the police? This would prevent silly but insane situations where people scam people out of houses for example ------------ Edit, some people are mentioning to use the already in game systems and pay the tax to avoid the risk but, here are some situations that would prevent or stop people from using these systems One example: say you need Fast Cash to pay for your rent bill, get a good deal on a apartment or several other things and you try to sell your vehicle but the HE Market is full so then you have to go to the LE and sell it for far less and take it huge hit that would come out to being a loss of maybe 30-50% possibly where the person doesn't care if they have to pay tax or not Second: somebody wins an auction and they want to prevent somebody I'm sitting outside the house waiting until the price is lowered so they can basically steal the house for what the other person bid and won it for Third: someone wants to trade vehicles instead of Simply selling them as both people may be really low on cash. Fourth: say you are renting out a hotel room and somebody signs a contract with you agreeing to pay say 6 months worth of rent at a lower rate. Once you hand over the money Nothing is Stopping the person from that point from breaking the contract and running off with the money and also putting the entire place up for sale. I can provide several other examples but these are just a few where the ability to use the in-system scripts are not available for this or something the person could not control would prevent the script from working correctly

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I sort of like this idea but also think it could cause an issue. Right now a lot of people who are new go straight to the low end dealership to buy a car. Most of the time they only do this because somebody else who was new earlier was able to move up and can sell their car pretty cheap. In my opinion I like the idea that you could get some of your money back if you don't like a car but that vehicle unfortunately would just go away and new people would have to spend more money increasing the chance they will become tired of playing or might even become a hardcore Criminal both increasing the crime rate and creating higher new user abandonment possibly. I think the only way this should be added is if one of two things is the case, 1 is if you would only get 30% - 40% of the vehicle cost back or if there is a low end cap basically preventing a vehicle of low value (less than 20k) from being turned in

I definitely would love to see an option like this and maybe have a system in place where if you're not the original owner there will be a smaller payout because of the risk that comes to the pawn shop for buying it

yea I saw that I just wasn't sure if the suggestion like I was making was something brought up before like how it would work to make it balanced

Mobile drug labs need to be in asap, right now tons of people do nothing other than wait near a lab, see someone come in, use a timer then rob the person and repeat. it happens so often I used a timer watching a lab and on average 1 lab got robbed every 6 minutes. this is completely unrealistic and very unfair to anyone new/not in a crew and I think a solution is mobile labs or allow people to buy lab equipment and set up they're own lab somewhere. I know people are going to say 'no its good the way it is' and I understand your probably in a gang or robbing cooks but just hear me out as this would make the server better. mobile lab: go to a shopping center or major store to pick up a couple of items (not going to mention specifics) that normally spawn in a lab but you would have to buy them with your own money and the needed ingredients at different locations. place the equipment in your vehicle and a option to cook wound be available under the ctrl+x option but mobile labs would cost a lot of vehicle volume and take longer to cook than normal 2x longer, also when cooking if your using a custom lab in a vehicle there will be a faint chimney type smoke that could be seen if not too far away. Using a custom stationary lab you would need to buy the equipment and move / place it wherever you need or want in san andreas except for personal houses and ncz zones. then after you've bought the necessary equipment the crafting time is not changed from normal however upon restocking you only get half the normal restock compared to normal labs this way with what im suggesting people would still use public labs as they wouldn't cost anything and be easier to use versus using a private lab both still having a reason to use public labs sense they don't cost anything and don't emit a smoke alerting gangs/law enforcement but also allowing people to create custom labs making it more comfortable in not getting robbed as often but also giving less profits and there will be smoke alerting anyone nearby your position meaning there will be extra risk depending where you are and how often you cook

after not being able to get needed tools and other groups already dominating the entire gang/black market and crush any opposition, the group has been disbanded

ima be straightforward on this. as someone with very low cash a $40,000 fine would totally ruin me. possibly never being able to recover if im being honest however. I totally agree about the massive fines because it prevents people going and doing crimes left and right. if it wasn't such a $ risk if im being honest my character would defiantly be doing higher risk crimes instead of petty stuff.

ikr? a couple days ago some zeta dudes and triads were full on angry, threatening and all kids of stuff to the point a cop had to ooc them to leave lol

I hugely agree, the 2x time is a way better idea than like you said invisible barrier. especially sense you can scam people in safe zones and not worry about reprisals or revenge and just wait a little bit and the guy is out $20k

at a lab (not gonna mention which one) I was starting to leave in my little werenerberg cheap car, and then a car pulled in and blocked it, I was already backing up to go another way when a guy got out with a assault rifle (maybe 40ish feet) fired and barley hit the car. after driving for like 2 mins I get teleported back there by a admin and the guy is complaining of fear rp rules were broken even though I was so far away in the video I showed I couldn't even hear the guy. that's why im saying it should be changed to allow people a option to fight back, like if your outnumbered at close range facing away and they say hands up? then yea you need to give up. I just don't get otherwise why its such a big deal to say if 2 guys have guns and are both close to each other why not allow a option where someone if its close quarters like a house to move 6 inches to the side and hop into a room, pull out his gun and be able to fight even at gunpoint. I know that simply saying hands up doesn't say in the rules you have to stop in your tracks instantly but im getting tired of getting teleported back to a scene to have to explain what happened, open premier, clip the video, upload it and send it to a admin and have to start the whole thing over again and sometimes get caught by the guy the second time. I just feel like it would be better if it was as simple as if your outnumbered then at close range if there isn't somewhere to run then give up, but if you have a weapon or 1 foot away from the running car that you have as cover you could use it ya know? it would also encourage people who are gonna rob to have other friends with them to make sure they would make people surrender. I think you might also be confusing where im coming from, im not saying fear rp needs to be removed. I totally understand the point and agree it needs to be there but I think it needs to be slightly changed to allow someone to be able to resist under certain circumstances if someone is sloppy like doesn't have backup, choose to be to far away before making themselves known or just things like that

but that's why atleast change it so if your outnumbered by people holding you at gunpoint youd give up, the whole fear rp rule from the rule book says: Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life So wouldn't a person be more afraid of their life being mugged/chased than simply keep going in a car? or if they have a gun already out fight? that's why i suggested that if someone is outnumbered at gunpoint then it would be like the rule now buy if its a 1 on 1 situation that should be justified to try and fight

and also i get the reason for fear rp rules, ive seen in serves the often police shootings, often amounts of shootouts, and several other situations just because there is no fear rp rule but what im saying and trying to change is if its there to quote from the rules: Fear roleplay is the concept of roleplaying fear for your character’s safety and life Wouldn't a person being robbed be for in fear of theyre life by stopping a car 3 feet away from the guy trying to rob/kidnap them vs keep going and take cover behind a steering wheel?

that's not what im saying, im saying that fear rp is being used as a weapon more than an actual rule break and both taking admins away from actual major violations, and also just trolling people more than preventing unrealistic situations i feel, i don't see why something like if your being robbed by 1 person with a gun, and you have a gun that if your next to a door (less than a foot) why wouldn't you quickly move half a foot, pull out your gun and try to fight back? 1: its not that gangs are taking the warners and chopping them but in my first time someone stole mine from sandy litarly drove it out to the training grounds in paleto and hid it just so i couldn't use it, 2: thankfully i have shadowplay and been called out for fear rp a couple times and showed video proof and a admin dismissed the situation and just resumed rp but that's what point im making, even with proof people still use fear rp as a weapon against people just because they got away sometimes, granted some cases you would obviously give up but in crime situations not every single criminal simply hands over a stash of drugs or willingly gets out of his car just because someone says hands up, all that would be need id say is just change it to say if your in a even fight 1 on 1 and you have a weapon even while being aimed at you could fight back but if your outnumbered you would have to give up 3: im not suggesting allowing death rp, im suggesting the exact same thing that everyone on the server does if you get knocked unconscious by something, having to call ems, or being transported to the hospital where you get transported, get treated and your discharged.

or another idea officers could be given medical permissions to stabilize people who are wounded, this would mean more than likely if the rule was changed and they tried it they could still survive and serve jail time anyway

but see that's why im saying it would need to be specific instead of whats already in, some examples could be as simple as if your outnumbered at gunpoint youd fear for your life, if your 1 on 1 and someone has a gun aimed at you but you have a knife that could be a point they have to abide, i noticed you mentioned 100% of the people would suicide by cop rather than going to jail but wouldn't it be more realistic if on a traffic stop a felon with 6 warrants, been to jail and has a gun would be pretty likely to try to go out like that? unless hes outnumbered which is why it could be a simple 1 on 1 thing that could be the change and would make it soo much better

that may be the rule but people don't abide by it along with a lot of other rules if its a new person. lets just think for a second, we have safe zones in areas that would normally be safe, so why not have crime locations meaning robing people or stealing cars in this area means people can fight back? the main point im making is over 3 days ive seen people targeted because they aren't in gangs which they cant join sense they wont let brand new people to the server in unless they prove themselves and even then still not very often because these people have been playing for years and don't want to let random people join? just look at punishment appeals for how many people are getting fear rp as the reasons for suspensions and bans. someone in real life isn't gonna rob someone in a broken down rusted out car with really cheap clothes unless they are at somewhere easy like a gas station or high crime area so why not apply that here?

thx

im very new (only 3 days here) but ive had a lot of experience in rp on gta4 and gta5 both in running communities (probably 40+), and being a moderator in a few and defiantly can say ecrp in almost every area the best server or community ive ever seen except for 1 thing. way too many robberies happen. within the first day without doing anything illegal my car was stolen, robbed several times (5+) and then when started getting involved in drugs (used a timer) got robbed every 6 minutes on average. literally someone robbed me at 1 site and before I could leave another car blocked me and robbed me a 2nd time before I could even leave. yes there are a lot of people who are in fact doing other things making the community breath like mining, transport, taxi driving and so on but robberies are way to often and is the only place I don't see a rule preventing it from happening in unrealistic levels compared to everything else, so today im suggesting a couple rules and would love some feedback or ideas people could only be robbed if they are: 1: in a location that crime is common, like drug areas, chop shops, near shops like clothing stores, gas stations, drug labs, atm's or areas like that. nobody ever literally sits on the side of a highway on a radio and says a guy on a moped just passed by lets go rob him... or at least in the amount ive seen it happening. I know this is already sorta established with ncz's but those areas are very small and for new players starting out it really puts them at a disadvantage when trying to earn money and play. 2: there should be a couple vehicles exempt from being targeted unless seen in a area with crime happening normally, or if its parked in a area known to criminals like above, the car shouldn't be able to be robbed to prevent new players from being targeted making them feel like they cant do anything. 3: if someone is being robbed in a crime zone they should be exempt from the fear rp rule if that person has a vehicle close by (like next door or in the garage of that same building, or even outside) if they have a weapon on them, staring at the person or has friend within voice range. not every guy getting robbed willingly gives up thousands of $ worth of product just because they hear hands up from someone near by a situation I had recently: someone on a different floor than me started yelling hands up, (in a building with 2 floors and 1 way up and down, and not a culminal area, dude didn't have me in sights at all) hearing this I took out my gun, ran to the stairs and when he came up shot him (called pd and ems for the guy and I was said to be in the right) however he was arguing in ooc that because he said "hands up" it was straight fear rp rules breaking even tho he was on a floor under me, and didn't even see me yet. he never called a admin I guess because we were in the same building with a solid floor, and I had a gun already out from hearing his car outside. people in robberies only use this ive seen when someone is getting away and don't care to chase them or they are just mad because they got shot or didn't get to rob them. the chance of being killed and spawning so far away from your car at a hospital with no gps, loose all your stuff and the progress on your task are already huge compared to oh well, I got robbed guess ill keep making more. in real life or any major scenario if someone is being robbed with a gun to their back would obviously surrender but if they have a friend in the next room with a shotgun, or only a foot from a running car with a door open and the mugger is 30 feet away, or if the dude with $20,000 worth of drugs on him with a shotgun would obviously in any major situation would go for it. there are soo many rules already here helping rp and make it way more fun, but these constant robberies really hurt the base from ive seen in the last few days and especially the risk of being banned from this amazing community because of the fear rp is crazy to me when the community strives for fun and realism. the rule is fairly clear in text form but ingame its pretty different when you think of scenarios actually unfolding, im mean the rule is pretty clear 'When you are on foot or bike and a weapon is aimed at you at close range' but what if someone is on your bike aiming a gun at the guy whos aiming at you? or the guy with the bike already has a shotgun ready to go only a foot from the car window?