Sam Axe

but thats driving, im talking about a car pulling up beside you and doing that while you are stopped. not driving. if you are in my case where they pulled up beside me, said they were cops and used that light that doesnt exist until a command is entered and then say it was there the entire time?. if they do it in transit and you dont see it because like in my case, i was a nice distance away from them. you get hit with felony evading because you couldnt see a non existing light that they have to use a command to actually appear

yea, but if someone pulled up in a car behind you and that suddenly appeared and told you they were a cop, had a gun, and badge would you believe them? also this was at the weazel news office. the furniture worked really far away.

check the picture. l did about 2 hours ago

also, to anyone who in the discussion has said its not something that can be faked i urge you to check the pictures i uploaded in the edit.

the cop in question kinda refused to. i did ask but more specifically he said his uniform (only a black vest) was proof after being asked about a badge. then the guy starts coming to my car like he's about to carjack me. i just think the system in right now is extremely poorly thought out for ecrp. the light system should be much more obvious and realistic as currently people could easily impersonate cops with this. not needing a siren, or uniform and only a non flashing light to "Prove your a cop" should really be more thought out

i know that. an admin i talked to said they would discuss it as possible powergaming sense the light can be hidden and then get arrested for not seeing it but i just think the light thing is a problem still unless its somehow static or flashing. especially when in jail 3 other people were in there for the same thing not realizing it was a cop. only difference was they kept going in there situations when cops showed up

your right, it is a ic issue which is why i changed some basic facts such as location, vehicle, and persons involved to hide the identity of people. your reference to a megaphone being used doesnt make ic sense because when sound travels it hits hills, trees, rocks and ect.... not sink to the ground and go to only 1 guy, especially when its facing a different direction.(until rewatching the footage i never even realized you guys used a megaphone btw) a uniformed cop stayed in a tinted dark car in a dark uniform sitting above the car on it opposite side. lets not argue on a suggestion form. this is only suppose to be a suggestion to fix something thats more a bug exploitable by players vs fair. nothing is stopping players from pretenting to be fake cops by using this system currently. i could go to the furniture store, buy a red glowing light and place it on my car near my house and say im doing a checkpoint and rob people. its really unrealistic.

yes, some cars do have that but again. that its a rotary emergency light which dpesmt display a color. and the car has a siren in it so people can verify it is a cop car and not some guy who bought a $20 light on amazon. to counter this almost all major police departments in the country have gotten rid of using this system of lights due to it being dangerous and easily manipulated by police impostors. i get your point but ig i could do the same thing. i could go buy a red light at the furniture stop, park my car in the road near my house and put the light on my car. then do a fake sobriety checkpoint and rob people. thats the issue. its not something that realistically would prove they are a cop

Yes! But the cop should not be able to remove the light at will so that it's invisible until a Police Chase Begins where then it gets activated and they slap you with felony evading because he turned on a light that was previously not there when they're close to you. That's why I'm suggesting they have to leave the light there so people once extremely close to the vehicle can actually tell it's an unmarked car by seeing the turned off light. Otherwise, what's to stop me from going to the furniture store and buying a red light I'm putting it on my car and begin conducting traffic stops where I Rob people

I used to work in sa gov on aother char and can tell you that the majority of IA reports go completely and utterly ignored or denied. A lot of the time from my understanding was people file them as a way to get payback if you will and because IA knows this, rejects a lot of them unless it is blindly obvious the cop broke some form of law when conducting the situation. Or the officers of extremely low rank it makes a huge mistake

I did but if we're going to be honest it's incredibly unlikely a ia report will be accepted. The person is of a very significant rank and usually in cases like that it's put down. Like I said in my post I'm not trying to say cops should not be able to use unmarked vehicles all I am saying is if they're going to use them there should be some form of consistent ability to tell that vehicle is unmarked if the person inside it isn't going to wear a uniform and then claimed that the invisible light did they don't activate until a Chase start was supposed to be proof when they made contact with you in the first place when you can't see the light

Would you say it's an IC issue if the feature was introduced where people could buy spray cans and use them while in the vehicle and it's moving? And then after this update people begin fleeing from police and as soon as they turn a corner instantly spray paint their car another color and claimed that they were never stopped in the first place? Also I did ask the cop to identify themselves and his identification was "im a cop". Never showed a badge or anything and while I was in jail two other people were in there for similar reasons. Many civilians don't think is there actual cops driving around an extremely high priced vehicles wearing street clothes. All that I'm saying is if it's going to be role-played that it's an undercover car when it be a cool is less than a foot away and has an emergency light on it you should be able to see it if they're going to use it as justification for giving someone a felony

little bias on this. my civ account ive been using for 11 months has just basically been ruined because of this so im pretty mad. currently there is some type of unmarked police car script cops can use now. however it is broken AF and needs to be fixed sense me and many others are likely getting really shrewed over because of it. all this does is puts a single non flashing red light to the top of a car that can be added or removed at will. today i was playing on my civ account and came into contact while doing totally legal stuff. (i swear, it was legal). so i get confronted by a random guy in a minivan, he starts to complement me on my car and then after a few mins of this i say i have to go do some stuff (mining) he says, "stay right there, im lspd and your gonna sit your a** in that car" he then gets out and doesnt have a gun or shoes. only proof he has he tells me that he's a cop and thats his unmarked minivan and black bulletproof vest. now how many people would believe someone like that? so i assume the guy is getting ready to steal my car and is stalling for time till his buddy gets here and leaves. he then chases me in a minivan which only now he applies this single non flashing light to. and no siren btw, not seeing this before i dont know what the f*** is going on and trying to get away from this guy thinking hes modding or something being able to keep up to a sultan in A MINIVAN!. after a min or so a lspd cruiser joins in, as soon as he turns his lights on i pull over and get slapped with felony evading. what was 11 months on almost daily play and hard work is f***ed because starsky sold their minivan and it got bought by the lspd. the point is, even tho im likely to stop playing for a long time after this due to 11 months of my life wasted because of a non flashing light doesnt mean others have to. i like the undercover idea and yes, there are unmarked cop cars in real life but the cops dont install the lights only once the chase started. the system needs to be fixed so im suggesting the following i get they need to be undercover but when a rando walks up to you in a civ outfit claiming he's a cop driving a praire with a light up top i dont think anyone would think its really a cop and shouldnt get hit with felony evading for not stopping for it. now if they see police lights like the undercover cars ig or atleast something actually flashing and with a siren i think people would believe it and take face value more. rather then think "this guy is trying to steal my car. ima gtfo" like in my case. i had no idea the guy was a cop and until marked cars showed up i was 100% sure he was lying and did something similar to what i did in the pics, or was a modder. the light needs to actually flash like a police light or something like it. a single nonflashing red airport runway light used to signify a unmarked cop car doesnt need to be explained on how ridiculous it is sirens should also be available via script like the light or vehicle mod so only cops could apply. have the /siren command activate both the flashing red light and siren, create a /siren 2 command that would turn off the siren. this would instantly make it clear to people its actually a cop and not a bug, modder or police impersonator well there it is. hopefully ill see you all later but this really did it for me i think. gl and to all those rp'ing hopefully you enjoy the game. edit: some people think me saying this can be exploited by (police impersonators) is unrealistic and doesnt happen. i did this in 10 minutes. rp'd buying a laptop to make it appear as i have the ability to "/amy Opens their police MDC" at traffic stops, printed the fake badge on the computer ig and bought the fake lights to put in the car at a furniture store. obviously this was all done on the server and i already got rid of the stuff but its just proof its way to easy to do and doesnt look like a cop vehicle at all.

yea, its realistic for them to patrol in gang colors while inside the car. its not realistic that they have the brightest colors possible on there car screaming "Im cool, im part of this gang! hi cops, civilians and other gangs! (waves like a maniac) " in public away from a car most gangs wear only 1 or 2 pieces of clothes that are the gang color. this happens because gangs do crimes mostly in cars like drug deals, gun sales, drive by's or a number of things. the reason they dont have gang car colors is cops irl can pull them over based on possible gang affiliation. gang cars want to stand out as little as possible because they are where most gang crimes happen from and the biggest target for cops.

funny how some people saying this is a bad suggestion while being part of a group that does this kinda thing lol. i agree mostly aside from a couple things. Agree: "This server also needs a better rule quiz to make sure that new players know how to not be exploited minutes after joining". i strongly agree with this. i started last summer and got scammed by someone at the bank. they told me ooc that people are not allowed to scam new players and not to worry. being new and assuming scams were rare i took the bait line and sinker. of course it was also at the bank so i couldnt do anything anyway. Agree: Players should have the GPS by default. Disagree: and they shouldn't be forced to shave their head or run around naked. thats part of the rp and i dont think should be changed. Disagree: "The massive (( NEW PLAYER )) tag should be removed and instead new players shouldn't even be able to accept a frisk unless they have a weapon and even then they shouldn't be robbed for all their cash by a group that massively outnumbers them, and is probably worth 1000x what the new player is worth" problem is that people could exploit this if they are new and know what they are doing if they watched guides or anything like that before joining Agree and Disagree: "Speed traps should be removed" i think static speed traps should be removed and only certain cops with permissions could set these up and only for a limited amount of time. the cop would also have to sit at the speed trap of very close by Agree: f you work at a legal job long enough you should be given a raise and eventually a promotion where you do a variant of the job. This would give more incentive to work the extremely boring legal jobs. Disagree: "The drug system needs to rollback to when 1 weed would take a few seconds to make instead of 5 minutes" 5 mins is a bit much and i agree it needs to be rolled back somewhat. i think more like 30-45 seconds for weed would make sense. if its too easy to do, people will do only that. Agree: "and there should be more drug lab locations available or at least make it so they can't be camped by massive gangs." i think there should be 10-18 labs ranging from paleto and most in ls. the ones in ls would be in random ai created rv's and when entered they act as a static lab. Agree: "Old players need to take new players more seriously, they make fun of new players for being inexperienced yet refuse to help them learn." i see people ask very basic questions all the time that for new people would help them alot (where is a gas station? where do i pay a ticket? where can i get a job?) but people tell them to just f off. even some gangs do this that ive seen. agree with the rest except for the car control. new players can go to a dealership and check/buy them there but i dont think it breaks the game

most of the cases ive seen are obviously just based on assuming gang affiliation. most robberies i see happen now the group in control ask if the person is part of (gang associated with the color) and most of the time they are not. then they just get in the car or bike and drive off.

i actually strongly agree with this. all the time on player reports people are getting robbed, house raided or a range of things based just on the car color they are driving. now that the robbery rules are in place its being targeted now more than ever. so yea, i heavily agree with this if not on just gameplay but the realism point aswell. i got robbed because i was driving an orange car the other day. i mean wtf!? seems really dumb sense like you said, in real life gang car colors arent a thing and actually quite the oposit

so does a table and scale

also on the point your trying to make. i get it, you think im trying to make things easier for myself but i already have access to all this stuff. it just seems kinda dumb at this point that the server is so rp focused that sharing ig info on discord is a bannable offense along with fleeing if someone aims a gun at you in close proximity but to buy a plastic table and a scale we have only 1 way to get it and its illegal. like i mentioned, i already have access to pretty much all of this stuff and saying "all of these are for your own benefits not even a single positive point for the community." is the same as if someone at a car dealership suggested adding ac to all the cars free of charge because they have it already and dont think people should be charged for it, or atleast as much. but then the automaker says "all of these are for your own benefits not even a single positive point for the car company!."

people wouldnt be allowed to do that tho. all of the guns (unless your part of a gang), would only be allowed to be used in home defense or hunting. the pistols rules would be unchanged aside from the new firearms license thing i suggested with it

to make my ic life easier i would need to not have access to these items. im asking for additional content and people to have more realistic access to things already in a rp server dedicated to being as close to life as possible. i already have all these items that are already in.

so you got that but not the "finally the m4, i dont think its a necessity and honestly wouldnt want it to be added" or "Sniper Rifle, (Would be a rule where this and the musket are only allowed to be used for hunting and would be against the server rules to use them against a player)

how do you get there from talking about adding flares and a musket along with a server rule saying its fail rp to use them against people?

on the server, acid was illegal along with powdered lime until the new update where now they are legal. just because something is illegal now doesnt mean it should or shouldnt be legal later if it ads to the roleplay

that is true. thats why i said it shouldnt be added unless a rule is implemented where civilians can only use them at home or hunting animals in that original post. (server rule, not license rule)