Remove the ability to receive a refund/compensation for people actively involved in criminal activity from accepted forum reports.

[Clank]

1 hour ago, Ritchie Stones said:

-1 you have no idea of the ripple effect on this, if you where wronged with no refund you would eventualy become that reckless aswel,  because why care about justice when there is none… the deep rooted resentment will grow to full blown hatred in the server, 

also if you think report culture is still a thing you should have withness the server 4 years ago, that was WILD! It has actualy calmed down by at least 10 times, i remember +-10 to 15 reports a day, 

The justice is the punishment itself. If you're reporting a rule break its because you disagree with the behavior and do not want to see it happen again for the betterment of the community. 

 

What happens now is people report not to better the community or because they care about the rules, its because people want their items back. 

[alexalex303]

I'd mitigate the issues by making an exception for low xp players. If a new player loses an AK it's a big deal, if a three year old community member loses an AK due to a rule break, it shouldn't be a big deal.

I support this.

[Tomvd682]

17 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

I can definitely see where the motivation for this suggestion is coming from, and it is a good point that a lot of people probably wouldn't bother pushing certain reports if their gear was lost either way.  talking about the edge cases, the 50/50s, the poor judgement calls in the heat of the moment rather than just blatant rule breaks. The suggestion makes the most sense in that framing.

That said I still believe its more important that people who were genuinely wronged do have the right to get refunded.

I don't believe the "meet in the middle" approach would work. Its too subjective and vague. one set of mods might review a report and come to a conclusion that the person gets a refund, another might disagree. it might even affect their decision making process on the rule break punishment which should never happen. it would add another layer of complexity onto the reports system and would actually end up making them take longer to decide on because of it.

Therefore I see no way to implement this suggestion fairly.

 

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[Daxu]

7 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

I'd mitigate the issues by making an exception for low xp players. If a new player loses an AK it's a big deal, if a three year old community member loses an AK due to a rule break, it shouldn't be a big deal.

I support this.

-1 I've been playing here for like 6-7 years and every crim character I have would be hit pretty big if they lost an AK due to a rulebreak LOL.

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I agree that unnecessary reports exist--glancing at almost every player report that comes in, you can tell some have more weight than others off the jump. I can't speak to the potential culture of "throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks", but I'd bet staff has an idea of watching for those trends and considers it accordingly.

We don't ever want to discourage the community from reporting a potential rule break, and I fear making some arbitrary anti-criminal solution about refunds would cause that. If there's no recourse to a rule-break situation other than educating someone else, many people won't put the effort in to prepare a report,

Reports are meant to punish egregious cases of poor behavior, sure, but their primary goal is to educate players and (hopefully) improve the community at large. If someone has a question as to how a particular situation went down, they should absolutely get council on it, so they may take that understanding and be positive beacons to their associates in the server, educating them on future situations, past misunderstandings, etc.

With that, there is room to advocate players try working issues out between themselves first, before running to forums. Of course you need to be careful about trying to void a situation without staff approval and all that stuff, but there's no harm in attempting a civil discussion like "hey XYZ happened and I'm not sure how I feel about it. can you give me insight on what your escalation and motives were" or similar. Maybe it allows you to gain a mutual understanding that, hey maybe A's robbery location wasn't realistic, and B's decision to kidnap C should have been done better. Then if you wanted to see about giving/getting items back, check in with staff (if approval would be needed) sans giant report.

 

Either way I think this suggestion comes from a good place but this iteration wouldn't work.

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