Allow cutting the rope to an ATM while it's still being GPS tracked.

[Dred]

Hello everyone,

I attempted my first ATM theft just for shits and giggles, new concepts gotta try them right? and I saw only one issue that is confusing to me in the realm of realism.

 

As Claire and I learned certain cars just struggle to high hell and beyond dragging an ATM which is completely acceptable and understandable. Some cars probably are going to underperform in comparison to others.  Like I wouldn't imagine people regularly taking like a Niobe like we did to steal an ATM versus like a kamacho or something offroad or stronger and better suited to steal a large machine as an ATM.

 

However, where I draw issue up is once we learned we were not going to pull an evasion off and get the ATM because the car was struggling so much we decided to cut the rope and cut our losses however we got blocked by script saying "you can't detach while it's being tracked" which I struggle to find any semblance of how it makes sense that you can't cut a fiber rope because a GPS tracking device is active inside the stolen machine. I get wanting to promote roleplay and I understand the chase. They are generally a lot of fun. However, I feel there shouldn't be any script limitation to cutting a fiber rope when a GPS is attached to the machine and not the rope? 

 

We call into question a lot in ECRP risk vs reward. I feel taking the risk of stealing an ATM for a reward is present however after weighing that we severely hurt ourselves attempting this with an unsuitable vehicle we should've had the option to cut our losses versus being forced into the risk of waiting out a timer. I also feel like even if this were to be implemented the risk and reward factor is still there as investigators and detectives can easily run cameras or get fingerprints however they need to do detective work if the rope was cut pre-maturely due to weighing out the risks and rewards and ditching the ATM.

[Cup]

+1 makes sense to me.

[Eliza]

+1

I feel as if you should be able to cut your losses and ditch the ATM if you believe you're not going to be able to successfully make it out with it. You'd still actively be tracked while trying to detach the rope, and would still run the risk of getting arrested. Perhaps a way to get fingerprints off of the ATM could be a way to counter this for LEO that come across the ATM.

[Cup]

Could also perhaps make it so you lose the rope if you have to "rush" detach it early (I'm unsure if you already lose the rope or not to be honest) to discourage people from just spam doing it to troll.

[astrx]

+1 on this.

[Yourmomshamster]

+1, would be a great addition

[Freyster]

+1 i'd love to see this somehow too, maybe the back passenger/person can detach it with an open window or something like this as it's tied to the outside of the car, i feel like this would make sense as you would have to either have a passenger or be in a 2 seater car

[alexalex303]

Only if the ATM is unable to be opened for cash after being cut early; otherwise the meta will be to cut it instantly and leave it, and if PD didn't recover it, open it like a risk-free kinder egg.

[Dred]

Which is still okay. But you have to look in the realm of realistic opportunity and risk and reward like I stated previously. It makes absolutely zero sense on a realistic level that the rope can't be cut because it's got a GPS tracker in the machine. 

 

I'd say also if you cut it and it wasn't recovered would it not fall onto the fault of the responding department to recover stolen goods? I get that people could abuse that and it would become unfair to an extent but at the same time would you not consider it quid pro quo? A crim gave up their reward to secure themselves and their vehicle being impounded or destroyed. If they returned to the area and goods weren't recovered? Well at that point I see a few things with potential to be implemented to counter that abuse of a mechanic. 

1. If you cut the rope you can't attach a new rope to it. You've essentially killed your opportunity and as they say in golf. "Play it where it lies"

2. Which is my personal favorite and I think one crims and legals would agree with the most. If you detach the rope the GPS never dies. And I can explain why. Say the GPS only deactivates because the machine takes damage enough to break the tracker. So if it stops moving it stops taking damage therefore the GPS stays alive. 

 

I'm fully aware as playing a legal and crim actively both that it's well known that sometimes the later hours in the server people abuse the low LEO count to do more daring things. However let's look into roles a slight bit to give opportunity for everyone. Would it be unfeasible if a detective or officer watched it until it was completely secured to ensure the goods were recovered?

[Cup]

". Which is my personal favorite and I think one crims and legals would agree with the most. If you detach the rope the GPS never dies. And I can explain why. Say the GPS only deactivates because the machine takes damage enough to break the tracker. So if it stops moving it stops taking damage therefore the GPS stays alive. "

 

I like this one

[Sigma]

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

Only if the ATM is unable to be opened for cash after being cut early; otherwise the meta will be to cut it instantly and leave it, and if PD didn't recover it, open it like a risk-free kinder egg.

100% Once an ATM is detached through this method it then becomes useless and un openable. 

[Eliza]

Personally I feel as if after the ATM is detached, if the police fail to secure the stolen goods and someone gets the money from the ATM then it falls onto the police for not ensuring it’s secure while it’s actively tracked on the GPS.

Edited August 19, 2024 by DontSniffSugar

[inorigj]

5 hours ago, Payn said:

100% Once an ATM is detached through this method it then becomes useless and un openable.

Can simply make it so if you cut the rope early, and try to smash it open before the battery is dead, a /do from the ATM comes up

The ink pack within the ATM has exploded [ATM]

Rendering the money inside useless. Making it so that you can cut it loos. but still need to wait until the battery is dead before you can start smashing it open

[Thang]

1 hour ago, inorigj said:

Can simply make it so if you cut the rope early, and try to smash it open before the battery is dead, a /do from the ATM comes up

The ink pack within the ATM has exploded [ATM]

Rendering the money inside useless. Making it so that you can cut it loos. but still need to wait until the battery is dead before you can start smashing it open

I had a similar idea after reading the thread earlier today. I will bring this up with the dev team.  

Edited August 20, 2024 by Thang

[Ritchie Stones]

the server expects us to be doing fast and furious shit, like pulling vaults out of walls with a car, with 20 cops and a chopper behind us, wheelspikes for 4k ahhaahahahaXD I'm dead pick me up !! XD