vajo Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) I am playing in the server from 2020 (I admit,at first I was not the guy who followed the rules,for what I got punished, but overall I was always activly engaged in community and was doing more good than bad for server overall). I have always been high stakes gambler and if you ever heared my name before, most likely you have heared it from highstake pokers or bingos, but what happened to me on casino really demotivated me forever, which still confuses me till this day. at around 2 weeks ago (most of the big players already know the full story) I was banned during the high stakes roulette sessions when I was gambling 4/5m a hand,(before that I lost majority of my money,around 12m sold my last 2 drags and went back to gamble), I bet 4m won 18 and started gambling from there. fortunately for me I had all the povs of the winnings but I don't see it made any difference for me nor for staff members for the decision which was taken after a week ban of investigation. at the end of the week, I was unbanned where I was not doing anything wrong, but for the economy and health of server, majority of my winnings where taken off by me and I was left with 15m (originally I was up from 75-80m+ was banned during gambling), to say in perspective 15m was 3/4m less than my starting point of the roulette,before I started gambling I was at 12m and 3 drags, when i was unbanned i was at 15m and 1 drag. after tries to contact founders all I was left was ignore and text that I should be happy that I was left with something and not with nothing which still confuses me at this day as if my gamestyle was a problem, even in my povs were visible that I won on numbers too, and I lost a lot of times as well(at some point I was down from 50m to 30m and then went up) therefore I am beggining to think that it does not matter how hard we try, at the end of the day if we win so much and we are crims, money will eventually be taken off from us cuz of economy and health of server. It makes me think that we had casino update to kinda fix the economy of the server(people to lose money) which will led them to play more and try to make more money to gamble again, but this also will led of big demotivation of the playerbase as It happened to me. during this times I tried to contact many admins, and mostly for the question I asked ,,If the roulette was wrong, and it should not gave all the money it gave me, why do we close our eyes on my and other peoples losses'' I was not properly answered. therefore I have some questions which would be interesting to be answered as to know, what is the prime reason of crims being treated like this and why casino died out in the matter of days: 1st. If player is not allowed to bet that much, why was the bettings on the roulette raised up from 200-500k? 2nd. when I won around 80m after good amount of luck and whole night of gambling, why was I banned 1 week, left with this answer and being removed from paulius on discord? 3rd If we are not supposed to win around 80m at the night, if the bettings was wrong, why do people still left casino at loss? I know countless people who lost millions due to roulette limits being risen from 200-500k, starting from collie fegan who eventually lost up to 10m+ in first day playing roulette alone, ending with many more people who went negative of gamblings, but the people who were legal such as philips,amelia won 30m+ and they were left untouched by the same exact bettings as me. 4th. as I appealed 2nd time for the decision osborn answered me with following, quote ,,Despite lacking an obligation to honor winnings obtained through this now-patched method, we chose to acknowledge a portion of them, leaving you with a substantial sum surpassing your initial stake upon entering the casino. Alternatively, we could have reverted your account to its original state, but we chose not too out of good faith,, to get it all right, all of my money which I obtained by gambling,before touching the roulette was all from poker alone, therefore it would phisically could not be wiped out, as I was intentionally banned for roulette investigation, in poker everyone knew how I won, how many hands I played and what was the main keys on that. 5th. I also asked, if the economy was problem why could not I get super which will be binded to my acc, (accepting the fact that there was no point to fight for the money, as it was simply taken out of me for no good reasons) but for the following,I only get ignored during week or two of my messages to paulius, and around 3-4 days ago he even removed me from discord, therefore I feel really demotivated and all the decisions upon me was taken unfair. for the following facts, I would like to know, why did nobody was notified for the following, as if the casino roulettes were giving out the money there was a limit?, why did people end up losing money and nobody got refunded for the following? is casino only here to drain out the economy and then to release businesses which only could be obtained by the people who did not got touched by casino investigations? I feel kinda unfair for the following fact, I don't need to cause any confusion as I do respect the administrators of the server, but I am here from 2020, and I truly believe me and many more with this decision were treated really unfair. POVS: Edited February 27 by vajo 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCactus Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) Maybe he explained himself the wrong way but he's still right. If I go there and play 10 mil and lose it all, that's alright cause I lost. If I go there and win 10/20/30 mil it will be taken away for OOC reasons? That sounds like an OOC scam to me. We're aware the game is rigged from the start and the house always wins but at least you get to keep what you win. If I can't keep what I win, I should be aware of it before I play, so I don't play and throw away money on false promises. If you lose a lot of money, that's an IC issue. You decide to gamble and if you lose, tough luck. If you win a lot of money, it should also stay an IC issue. Ban people from casinos just like they do in real life or even have the government investigate the whole thing. Edited February 27 by TheCactus 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vajo Posted February 27 Author Report Share Posted February 27 3 minutes ago, TheCactus said: Maybe he explained himself the wrong way but he's still right. If I go there and play 10 mil and lose it all, that's alright cause I lost. If I go there and win 10/20/30 mil it will be taken away for OOC reasons? That sounds like an OOC scam to me. We're aware the game is rigged from the start and the house always wins but at least you get to keep what you win. If I can't keep what I win, I should be aware of it before I play, so I don't play and throw away money on false promises. exactly, that is the point I am trying to explain from the day I got banned till now, but nobody seems to care, the whole reason this happened in my opinion was that I am a crim and thats simply it. nobody seems to even care to compensate those lost days i was banned for the investigation purposes where I lost everyday server joining combo (for the points) nor they seem to care to give even the amount which was my starting point, at this point casino is unplayable as if someone hits big, and wins a lot again, most likely it will be taken out by same ways,especially when I provided almost all the winning povs, and them saying there was nothing wrong with my bettings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddyReggal Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Personally I think that its unfair to take money from someone who went on this HUGE risk and placed a bet of his total wealth and won. I think we should allow people like Vajo to keep their wealth its a casino jackpots happen once in a million dunno 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLovin1257 Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 messed up if true, very disappointing and bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanlove Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 "fuck up the economy" Wtf are they talking about LOL. That shit has been fucked since i got here like 1.5 years ago. That's what happens when you never reset the server economy. Now taking money from people that they legit won? Making freelances job less money? They trying to make this shit not fun or something it's crazy. Give this man his fucking money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurplePlant Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 It's unfortunate that we can't verify why you got banned because reports are hidden, however I don't understand why you would be banned from gambling within limits allowed and set by the table/casino. I also don't get why you would be found not guilty of anything, but still have 75 percent of your assets taken. It's not easy to grind out that type of money and it's a potential problem the casino posses but by the sounds of it nothing has changed regarding your situation and the table limits so it's hard to say exactly what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dima Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 That’s crazy to hear from a bug that they didn’t realise, so why release this update if it had so many complications? Just because someone won took a risk Icly without knowing about it. Bro gets banned and what’s the reason “oh you used a bug/cheat to win” So it takes forever for the big updates ((ps thank you staff for the great work)) and they still have a major falls which leads to innocent people getting banned crazy. So wait I heard a rumour someone from the higher up staff won 16 million on the first day of the casino so did anything happen to them? 16 million is lot and if someone from staff wins it’s just okay and we move on because it’s all icly. On the other hand a regular player wins 5 times the amount and gets banned. Okay okay it is what it is but could’ve just explained the situation closed the casino (not banning him) maybe just letting him keep 5-10 million as compensation for a bullshit reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vajo Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 7 hours ago, Dima said: That’s crazy to hear from a bug that they didn’t realise, so why release this update if it had so many complications? Just because someone won took a risk Icly without knowing about it. Bro gets banned and what’s the reason “oh you used a bug/cheat to win” So it takes forever for the big updates ((ps thank you staff for the great work)) and they still have a major falls which leads to innocent people getting banned crazy. So wait I heard a rumour someone from the higher up staff won 16 million on the first day of the casino so did anything happen to them? 16 million is lot and if someone from staff wins it’s just okay and we move on because it’s all icly. On the other hand a regular player wins 5 times the amount and gets banned. Okay okay it is what it is but could’ve just explained the situation closed the casino (not banning him) maybe just letting him keep 5-10 million as compensation for a bullshit reason. that was philips,1st day he won 18m betting on number 7(500k), and the day I got banned he was betting exatly like me, and won like 15m+ while i lost 15m, basically I was betting on 1st 12, and he was betting on 3rd 12, his money was not touched, nor any other guys, but only me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normal Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 I agree with vajo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vajo Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 9 hours ago, PurplePlant said: It's unfortunate that we can't verify why you got banned because reports are hidden, however I don't understand why you would be banned from gambling within limits allowed and set by the table/casino. I also don't get why you would be found not guilty of anything, but still have 75 percent of your assets taken. It's not easy to grind out that type of money and it's a potential problem the casino posses but by the sounds of it nothing has changed regarding your situation and the table limits so it's hard to say exactly what is happening. well it did, as I got banned, in around 3/4 hours they changed inside and outside bets, now you can see that in roulette you have inside and outside bet limits (on highstakes 150/150k max) so basically instead of betting 500k on number, now you can only bet 150k, and also trying to bet 500k + cover it with side bets, its no longer possible(if you bet 150k on number it counts as inside bet) thus taking huge amounts of % of your win,therefore its like 90/10 odds of house winning at this point. about found not guilty side, I still don't get till this day why I was banned for 1 week for investigation, why I found not guilty and them taking around 60/65m out of my hands, ignoring me 2 weeks and at the end paulius blocking and removing me from discord without even answering to me,even tho once osvaldon told me to talk to paulius, for this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dima Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 I understand from a POV all casino are a scam and they don’t like big winners. Why didn’t they deal Icly then, Instead instant banned and blaming it on a bug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulius Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Player was compensated with appropriate amount, and changes to roulette were applied after this event. Placing such high bets was not intended behaviour of the script. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldon Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 The Casino is not rigged, however in the long-term, it is meant to remove more money than it spawns (acting as a money sink), otherwise, the Casino would inflate the economy (and real-life Casinos would go bankrupt). Casinos are allowed to have a slight advantage so they can make a profit and continue to function. The current roulette is definitely fair, because there are days when players win more than the Casino does, but there are also days when the Casino wins more than the players. Examples (roulette): 27th February, Casino won $16,104,000 and players won $15,811,000. Casino won 50,46% of the time and players won 49,54% of the time. 26th February , Casino won $13,144,000 and players won $15,606,000. Casino won 45,72% of the time and players won 54,28% of the time. and it does go both ways like that each day, but eventually if all days are summed up, the Casino should have a bit higher win-rate, this is normal. Unfortunately, the earlier lack of roulette rules (no spread or bet limits) allowed for huge fluctuations to occur and possibly enabled players to use specific strategies to maximize their returns (not risk free, but seemed to improve the chances). Our senior staff member tested your betting strategy too and was able to win $10M in an hour. You yourself won $70M in less than a day which is probably more than hundreds of players make in a day. At the time, both cases raised concerns that roulette was flawed and could harm the server economy. This was not intended to happen, so we had made a decision to change the rules and confiscate a large part of your winnings. Since you started playing roulette at $6M, lost it, then sold two vehicles for $4,5M, we had left you with $15M ($4,5M profit). No further reimbursement is planned. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
