Curtis2011

First off thank you Lewis for opening this topic up for conversation and opinions. I have 3 things to say in this discussion which I hope is read at least for insight into some issues. 1) MENTALITY: Issues with cops vs criminals has been an ongoing for many years now with some adjustments but not any real long lasting fixes. No one wants to lose its just natural how the world works. With the agreement to play GTA comes a give and take especially when someone decides to be a cop in any form, in my opinion the server needs to realize that criminals should be "losing" 60% of the time while the ratio isn't preferred by most criminals it is necessary for balance of the server which i think most will accept. Its the manner in which the criminals are "losing" and the cops are "winning" that i believe people have issues with. The instant 0-100 tactics by some PD/SD is just embarrassing to see so many tools at their hands but they would rather shoot it out and move onto the next fight. In my opinion, nothing will change unless the mentality or removal of some officers in LSPD/SD. Not going to call them out cause that would not be helpful in this form. Situations that call for a few units with a 2 stack vehicle DO NOT need to be met with SD/PD with helicopter with armed officers ready to shoot overhead just for a original "traffic stop" Lately the Heli has been used to be SUPER HIGH in the air to the point where no one can hear it or see it, not evening knowing its there. In what world would this realistically happen? Maybe through Military operations? Not the city PD/SD. 2) SITUATIONAL ISSUES: I want to say in no shape or form am i picking on anyone's specific decision this is just examples of what I have witnessed and dealt with. - Simple traffic stop was ordered on my by PD while they were chasing a vehicle and slowed down so they didn't hit me. Instead of continuing the chase after i had passed the officer decided to pull me over for a suspected weapon seen on my back. I would understand if I happened to be on a bike however i was not. Even though he apparently seen my barrel of the gun he initiated a traffic stop on me instead which is fine. HOWEVER the issue comes when I attempt to evade especially late a night lots of cops have been getting shot and wiped which is another thing that needs looked into on both sides. I haven't initiated a shootout straight at a traffic stop in all my time on the server (since 2019). While flipping around and attempting to evade, the officer decided to instantly take my tires giving me no chance to drive anywhere and initiate a gunfight with 3-4 officers around him while I knowingly had 7-10 people waiting to rescue me if I happened to get caught. In what world is the practical and RP positive? - Another situation which happened very recently was a raid on one of my criminal factions warehouse. Evidence was collected as we were gathering items from our supplier, PD/SD moved into the area which is understandable. I am not complaining about the actions they took pulling in an attempting to have law and order. However when OVER 75% of your faction was dead after 10 minutes of a fight by 13-15 criminals still alive, why would you turn around as a group of 2-3 and attempt to round them all up? This is simply not their goal, they wanted a gun fight or didn't want to let the "WIN" go which ever it was. Instead decided to grab an insurgent which is pretty much impossible to shoot the officer out of just to follow us around while actively getting shot at my multiple rounds, when this failed a GUN SHIP was ordered to come in against the 13-15 criminals by 3 officers. After the situation seemed to clear out we came back to the area, only to find the SAME officers who we killed and KNOW we killed were actively patrolling the area around it. When before they had never been patrolling such routes only trying to gain another "RP scenario" that they know would turn into a active gun fight yet again. 3) SOLUTIIONS: 1) Remove the gunship from being deployed unless its the NATIONAL GUARD. 2) Require all PD/SD to be in law enforcement clothing, no more "I have a PD/SD vest on" while dressing like a criminal. 3) Remove "meta based" vehicles from PD/SD the use of undercover Elegy RH7, Kamacho, Terminus meta vehicles should not be utilized like they are now, Only divisions that should be using these are the SWAT/SED parts of PD/SD. Everyone is driving these around constantly. What happened to the Scout, unmarked crown vic? 4) Set a limit on number of faction members allowed to respond to the pager. If criminals cannot pager or have some sort of "group text" then neither should PD/SD. (in my opinion the Pager is just being abused constantly for gunfights just to get the good shooters from PD/SD to log on) 5) Listen to criminal factions: If MULTIPLE factions have complained and given proof of certain officers/deputies overstepping their role and ruining their RP experience in the server. Chances are high that the community feels the same, why are they still allowed to continue their tactics and attitude on the server to represent the factions top officers? In closing I just want to say LOTS of PD/SD are good people and they just want to have fun and have a good time. Its when i turns into a PVP arena with the shit talk and OOC banter in /B that it must and has to change. IF they want to act like criminals so bad there is plenty of lanes to go down to become one instead of using the "free kits" PD/SD provide to them just so they can act/do criminal like shootouts and verbally insult people on the server.

There's been a lot of situations on the server where I believe this should be allowed through RP I will explain shortly reasons why as follows: * Situations where you are directly shot in the head by a sniper rifle or a barrage of fire where injuries should be lethal and are realistically untreatable by bandages and gauze. * Situations where your body is burned or exploded by either a car explosion or a long fall to your death. There are however people who would abuse this which I believe it's not allowed on the server here are some guidelines that I believe should be followed: * Situations where RP directly involves you actively displaying RP injuries not just "/me WOULD BE DEAD" or "/me NO PULSE" * Used in situations not to prolong or stall RP * Not to give your allies more time to counter-attack or benefit I think this will benefit the server and also a bit more RP and realistic situations besides just a "/me looks over injuries" and proceeding to "/cpr" them Let me know what you think! Keep this topic respectful please and not an argument topic!

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I think now is a good time to revisit this topic. Changing it to be a "Rotation to a different location after getting shut down" in my opinion NEEDS TO HAPPEN even if its 3 active labs its better then 0 or just 1. Server is too populated for there to be 1 or 0 labs and it just creates more hostile PVP mentality to fight over 1 single lab or create the "This is boring" PD/SD included, just log off after driving around for 20 minutes. Another suggestion having a "Red Zone" where there are no free tables set up, players could bring their own set number of tables most likely 3-5 to where they can put them up no matter if PD/SD raids it or not, they will just take the loss on their tables if they can't dismantle in time. Thanks for reading

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I would like to agree partially with Chris on this. Rotating every couple of weeks is not what we had in mind when suggesting it. Yes, the idea of it was to rotate labs, but have locations where all would and could be used without the threat of "clapper crews" rolling them. This didn't fix that as labs don't change unless PD/SD raids it or the time limit of a few weeks is up. The combination of tables is something that I feel should be as follows. 5 LSD/Cocaine tables, 5 Crack/Ecstasy tables that would rotated every 24 hours. Labs with Plantations could have 3 regular WEED/Seed tables in them that way people can roll blunts and plant at the old labs (Chili, Braddocks, Sea, and North) Potentially not having the Plantation labs rotate. This would make certain labs more valuable and some less "camp" likely while keeping the New labs, Island lab, LSD lab, Right Lake and garbage lab on a rotation. Thanks for conversation Chris!

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