BallinByNature

I agree with a lot of the points made in the post. I will bring this suggestion up at our administration meeting and see what is discussed. As for playeronesvk - Drugs are here for role play, and the server is here for role-play. Drugs give you no such armor or super speed my friend.

I would like to see the medics ask what the persons injury is with a /do personally, giving people a chance to describe an injury done to them. If a person is rping that their character has two broken / disformed legs its extremely weird for the medics to show up chipper and say things like "What happened to you my friend?" even though that's a great way to RP a typical situation it might not be appropriate for someone trying to RP a severe injury, or be passed out. You may do this in some capacity but would be cool to see as a standard. Stop hanging out in the front lawn of the hospital lol, no hospital has their doctors chilling out front as a friends group. Maybe find an off duty hang-out that the on-duty people park up at in between calls, but outside the hospital is a bit strange RP to me for medics/doctors etc. I would like to see some people have duties within the hospital, roleplaying a surgury or a bullet extraction when someone comes in for being shot. Getting injured shouldn't be a quick drive to the hospital and then magically popping out. Maybe utilize your building and RP a procedure or doctors visits etc. Prescription medicine/ pain killers system. Ability for medics to give prescriptions / keep track of them so that they can be considered a non-illegal substance. This doesn't have to be via the script, you could make it within your forums a list of people whom have subscriptions with a valid date range, archive old ones, or mark them as expired, etc. Just my two cents. Hopeful of what new faction management can do for you guys, if you need any assistance OOC from PD side just let us know!

Criminal factions whom own turf that have a warehouse can import drugs and sell it on, you can however buy in bulk from one of them and sell it for profit still.

This topic has gone on long enough and thorough explanations have been provided to players. If you have a report against a specific Staff member please report that staff member with evidence. If you see a police officer whom you believe to be abusive on an ooc or ic level, please place an internal affairs report and a player report if they've broken server rules. The avenues are open to you to change your characters story if you would stay in character. Thanks for voicing your opinions.

It's sort of apparent you don't fully understand the English language and the way the word "you" was used here in a hypothetical scenario which again, wasn't aimed at Carter Shalami personally just because you feel it so. Second time it's meant as you all, anyone whom has claimed they've been wronged but has failed to provide proof, or you as in the original poster. I'm not going to post here anymore because it's just turned into a logic, grammar, and ethics lesson at this point.

I'm not really following how saying an applicant can wait for an interview until he is finished with his current task is disrespectful either... Sounds like you're just getting triggered by him calling you on metagaming and not being overly friendly while you're breaking the rules.

So if I can find roughly 20 people to say that you DM'd, you won't be upset if I ban you for DM because "20 people said the same thing"? Please. If 20 people are being abused by an admin and not a single person can provide evidence of the occurrence... maybe it isn't true?

I missed the part where I said I was talking about you? I meant in general as that's one of the complains made was that they can't use curse words when expressing their upset with an admikn decision. When did I ever say you don't have the right to play here, have your own opinions, or that you'd be banned? I didn't.

Yep, it's against the rules. Nope he's not held to a lower standard and yes he's aware of it. In what way do you think Krazed has been disrespectful OOC?

He's absolutely correct - Admins are in charge of enforcing the rules whether it be them whom is the victim of the rule violation or not. If it is borderline they would typically ask or consult other admins however if you legitimately break a rule (disrespect, metagaming, or powergaming) they're not going to let it happen. If you have a situation where you believed you didn't break a rule but an admin said you did break a rule and they were the victim, report them with evidence that shows they punished you wrongly. You are basically asking us to take YOUR word for it as a player instead of trusting staff whom were put in their because they show maturity and trustworthiness regularly. Any role play server is going to have he said she said battles, but if you think Staff is being abusive you're going to have to show us. No one is going to kick a member of support staff out because a player said he did something wrong and provides 0 evidence JUST as we wouldn't ban you for VDM just because another player says you did it unless they can provide evidence. You hardly need an external drive to record things - Shadow play you can set it to delete automatically and only save a specific amount of time upon your key press. I suggest you just get more familiar with using it. If you're not willing to take evidence of something happening then you're not really all that concerned about the issue in my opinion. If what you say is true and it's rampant and happens daily etc etc then it should be quite simple for you to provide some proof of it. Instead we're met with proof of admins responding to disrespect appropriately and you somehow believe you have a right to play here & be disrespectful to staff and that's just not the case.

Anarchy.... First of all, my position as an Admin and that as the Chief of Police are completely not related. When I go on admin duty, I could legitimately care less if you're a cop or a player, if you've broken the rules you'll get punished. Officers are punished all the time and if you ask them a lot of them say we are TOO strict sometimes but rules are posted for all to see and for all to follow. It's no coincidence that staff & lead of factions both illegal and legal will be coexisting because the best role players rise to the leadership positions of their factions (or should) and they also have a proven track record of following the rules, implementing rules, and ensuring they're followed. That being said I think it's a real shame to say that because someone took up the role of an administrator in order to facilitate RP and facilitate the community / players would have his own RP hindered or not be allowed to role play a specific role weather it be a prostitute or a gang leader or a government leader. I do see a lot of valid points regarding legal factions and their autonomy to manage their own faction members but if they are not doing so then that is when server staff steps in - when it becomes a problem where your faction is not even coming close to performing the necessary tasks that they're being paid by the government (server staff) to do. I don't necessarily see it as stepping in from an OOC standpoint, but perhaps instead of OOC bans they can issue IC suspensions / terminations to those who can't properly perform their duties. I would personally rather see a player relieved of his duty for failing to fulfill it than not allowed to play the server entirely. I don't know where your rumor started, but which "actions" specifically are speaking for themselves? You cite a LOT of general unfair actions but you've yet to state who has done these things, when, or provide any evidence that they have done these things. I could certainly say there's a rumor going around that "many citizens in the community feel the police are under funded in their government pay checks" but where is the logic? Where is the evidence? WHere is the math? Where is the actual explanation of a specific incident? You're just grasping at straws. If admins are so abusive why do you not have any evidence? Yes, freedom of speech exists, and you won't be prosecuted by law for anything you say here, trust me we do not care that much. However, no staff member is going to tolerate you disrespecting anyone under the guise of free speech. We're here as a community to play a game IC, and OOC we should all be willing to be professional with and courteous to. If that's how you want to be treated then you should treat the admins the same way, very simple. You are allowed to have an opinion, you're allowed to not like someone, however you're not allowed to spam general chats with negative view points, complain excessively, swear at or speak in a vulgar manor, in public chats. That's not freedom of speech that's just you touting freedom of speech as a free pass to be a general nuisance to admins and the rest of the community. Freedom of speech says you wont be prosecuted by law for saying an opinion but that certainly doesn't mean people can't extremely disagree with what you say, dislike what you say, and even punish you for misrepresenting something in a false light or take away a privilege if you can not speak respectfully and act within the rules enforced in order to have a privilege. I'm the Chief of Police and I assure you whatever your view's of the PD faction that the PD has the highest standard of role play on the entire server and that I will personally hold any officer accountable for breaking server rules, or not fulfiling his duties as a Police Officer. Instead of saying "I literally seen a guy get arrested for X because he was Y" why not just provide evidence of this, handle this IN CHARACTER and report the officer to internal affairs? If you could name the officer I can tell you if there was an Internal Affairs report but I personally oversee every single IA report and this was not one of them. Sorry but I am literally here checking my inbox every day for any IC / OOC reports on my officers and thoroughly checking them to ensure our standards, so excuse me when I am a little bit dismissive when people say they're "super corrupt and power hungry" when I've literally opened my inbox to anyone whom has an issue with them and not a single one of the people who go straight to OOC chats / OOC forums to complain can produce a video or evidence of wrongdoing. The people who actually get mistreated simply complain in character and there have been multiple suspensions, discharges, etc, as a result of IA reports. Kevin Green... Just as I said to Anarchy, if you got any proof of a cop attempting to arrest you for saying "fuck da po-lice" please provide it. Now, if an officer said you're under arrest and hasn't told you why yet and you're just assuming it was because you said "fuck da po-lice" well, that happens a lot. Cops aren't going to provide you with a proper explanation while you're a literal threat to their safety... I have PERSONALLY gotten out of crimes specifically because I cooperated with a cop whom I thought had me dead to rights and it turned out he didn't have sufficient evidence, and vice versa I have PERSONALLY gotten in trouble for things I didn't think I was guilty of but after learning the Officer had information of a prior event that he certainly did have an IC reason to treat me the way he treated me even though I didn't understand so OOCly at the exact time. This happens all the time in real life too. If you have evidence of someone disrespecting / swearing at you OOC, feel free to post a player report and it will be handled the same way they would handle receipt of disrespect personally. Shalami... Stating your opinion or being unhappy with something is one thing, immediately going to a PUBLIC chat with something you didn't like that specifically happened to you in attempts to fire up the community or incite hatred (as the screen shot shows was their reasoning) why not simply post in the suggestions thread where the public can give their input WILLINGLY or stay in-character, and tell every person you see in character about how you were mis-treated, in attempts to change the community IC. Way too often it happens where someone doesn't like something IC and goes instantly into OOC discord with "OMFG POLICE / ADMINS ARE THE WORST!" without any evidence of any wrong doing, this thread is pretty much that. We value every single player here, weather you personally feel valued or not, I can't say. No one is banning you for an opinion on the thread. Shalami do you have any proof of police metagaming in anyway? Please send it to me. Admins shouldn't be allowed to play the server?!? I'm sorry that's a load of crap lmao. So because a person decides to help enforce the rules they shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the server they're helping facilitate? I understand your opinion is that they're not doing that, but a rule like that is just ridiculous in my opinion. Again if you have any evidence what so ever of an admin abusing his /admin duties OR a police officer abusing his faction duties, please post it, otherwise your statements unfortunately are just that, unproven statements. Williman... All day you see reports of police metagaming and powergaming? Ok, do any of those reports contain evidence? Can you provide any evidence? K... I could personally report your faction every single day too, that doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. I think asking you to not say "fuck you" is not that much and is hardly asking for some immense respect, we simply ask there's no DISrespect. On top of that, yes, a new criminal update came with some bugs that will be patched, and you're more than welcome to take evidence of any loss due to those glitches and report it to assist development in finding and patching the bugs. Please feel free to post in 'Report an Issue section. Thanks. To be frank, based on your posts, English, and attitude, I fully support the decision to not add you to the Development team no matter how talented you may be at coding. There is a lot more than "they don't want me to get their money thats why they wont let me dev!" maybe they simply don't trust you to have access to any code what so ever... lol lamberto29... So it was fun when you could commit crime and police were actually allowed to mask up on duty and mug players with shotguns and weapons that were unobtainable to citizens because you didn't know better, but now that we've enforced strict RP standards and you're being ICly punished for doing crimes and there's actually *gasp* repercussions for breaking the law in-character, we're power hungry? I invite every person here whom thinks cops are unfair to attempt to join the faction and see how its actually run for yourself. That isn't to say there can't be a bad apple who fakes his way through our academy with good RP and then thinks it would be funny to be corrupt and gets kicked out - That does happen, and will in any faction, but to state the whole PD is a power hungry unfair faction based off a Cadet or Police Officer I whom you did not even ATTEMPT to complain about IC or report to an IC supervisor well i'm sorry but you're misrepresenting the faction based on a bias opinion from a bad encounter. There are bad players in EVERY single faction, mind you. playeronesvk... yep Kilo is one of our best officers but you're again condemning the entire faction except for the one person you know is good. How about if you respect Kilo, ask his opinion on officers? I doubt he holds the same view that he's the "only one officers who doesn't power game" I am actually positive on that. PerfectArc I completely see your point regarding the faction duty. I would personally like to see an IC punishment be handed down to a faction leader, or hell, cut their government funding in half til they shape up if they can't provide employees doing their jobs. Perhaps OOC punishment isn't the right way to go about things in this specific situation and I will bring this up at the Administrator/Staff meeting this weekend. Thanks for your input.

Your plate was taken at the time of the crime, meaning we saw your photo at the time of the crime. Thus, we had your picture the night before. They didn't MDC your name out of a crowd, that's not how it works, although you're making a lot of assumptions that are just not true. This is exactly how the vehicle and plate number are used. If anything by using the MDC he is showing his character checking up to make sure its you again on the computer which shows that he wasn't just reading your name and charging you at all. "Them"... Which officers? Not a single officer in the PD uses it like that or they'd be reprimanded. None of those things are possible, but you're trying to create an extreme out of your argument to fire other people up. Again-... He ran your plates the night before. They can run the plate number at any time after that as they have it documented (a player writes it down). Thus, if he thought, hmm, that guy looks familiar from the other day. Let me run those plates again. He doesn't need to be anywhere near your car, and neither do you. He's seen your photo and now he saw you and then he ran the plates again to double check once he saw you. I don't know what is complicated about that. You still fail to state if you had your gun on you which would in turn tie you to the crime even more. There is no police database that is a wildcard for cops to jail anyone. That's just your opinion after a few times being arrested for crimes you did actually commit. You commited a crime and police saw you... You got caught. There's no investigation needed when you literally perform a crime in front of a cop with no efforts of role play to conceal identity of any sort besides saying your guy had a hat with sunglasses and tinted windows. Again, did you have your gun? Were you wearing the same hat and sunglasses? Were you wearing the entire same outfit? No one is doing "only routine checks" you're extremely far off of knowing anything about what we do and that is apparent but you aren't seeming to follow the evidence path we are laying out for you very clearly. No cop has all your information as soon as you're on their screen. Your entire post is just an exaggeration quite honestly. Your name tag IC is your facial description. Thus **describes John_Doe** is simply describing the face of someone. You are able to role play covering your face, or if you have the option to /mask that's an easy way to avoid that but even then you STILL need to role play wearing a mask or your face can be recognized by your stranger ID. You can very easily post a screen shot here of you roleplaying the use of "/me pulls a ski mask over his head as he gets prepared" and then it would be a different story. However, the burden of proof is on you to show this role play. I can very easily show you a picture of our MDC database and the information it gives -- although it doesn't truly provide pictures that's a realistic thing. It doesn't however provide any type of shoe type or anything like that. Although it may be a little rude to question your age, age very well may play a role into your understanding of how police operate or the methods we are explaining. Do not post sexist remarks in response or insults in return. Again this proves how extremely off base you are. The entire programming code for the MDC in which we use was written by the Deputy Chief of Police. It runs of databases which are filled as you complete check points realistically in the game. For example when you acquire a license, it will show in our database that you have a license. It is not a black screen in which we pretend to look at and make up information. Our code very well may have flaws as well and what about your photo was outdated? I don't follow. No one is powergaming in your situation and the extreme situations you're describing aren't really allowed or how things occurred.

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It is not about the price so much as it's just power gaming. You would need a lot more than 25k to become unrecognizable also. If someone truly wants to research how much it would cost to receive completely unrecognizable face changing surgery and throw away a million dollars and gets prior admin permission perhaps we can role play that but as for an average player just running by the local hospital and being relieved of all crimes... No. How would you like it if you're in a gang and the gang across the street murders you and then spends 200k and changes their faces and tells your entire gang they can't retaliate because their gang all just got reconstructive facial surgery? It can go all different ways lmao.

That's completely right Reevesy, our guidelines are in congruence with the information you posted. I wasn't the arresting officer or even online at the time of the incident nor have I talked about this with anyone else so I can't be exactly certain the steps that were taken but I believe the officers involved have provided sufficient evidence for probable cause being that he was in his own registered vehicle and i'm guessing he probably still had the fire arm on him (no one has mentioned this yet and i'm not sure). However if he's wearing the same clothes, has the same skin color, and its his car registered to him, and he has a gun on him... that's enough evidence for a cop to lock you up in real life trust me. EXPANDING on this though -- IF an Officer breaks the rules in regards to probable cause, this can be taken as an IC issue also. We have an IC report an officer and Internal Affairs can investigate this Officer, and he will have to provide his rationale for having probable cause and could face punishment or loss of employment for misconduct. Obviously if its complete corruption that is just not allowed on an OOC level but in THIS situation it is really a pretty normal scenario and if he felt he was searched without cause he could report it IC. I would have cleared the Officer in this case if the decision were up to me.

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The plastic surgery argument is a bit lame also. We have that in so you can edit your character to look the way you'd like to portray them, it isn't to be used as a Michael Jackson my skin has changed and i'm completely unrecognizable from all past crimes get out of jail free card. If you want to role play a top notch criminal I would suggest not using your own house or vehicle and along the lines of wanting your police force to show the up most fair role play you should probably do some extra role play yourself such as icly putting on a mask and gloves, taking proof of this, and committing your crime with some actual pre-meditated thought rather than just doing crimes willy nilly, losing visual of the police, and getting mad that they have your name from your license plate which is completely realistic.

The "so called database" which you refer to isn't cops making anything up. You are complaining that Police Officers are making things up such as drivers license photos yet your character ICly took a drivers test and registered for a drivers license. Drivers licenses are part of the game. If you commit a crime in your personal vehicle registered to you and someone sees your plate, you're most likely going to be questioned about the crime. They didn't "randomly select you from a group of 10 people" they had a search for you placed to all units and all units were able to view the registered owners photo from DMV records. If you weren't role playing wearing gloves or a mask, then its possible someone saw your face especially when they have a DMV photo to compare to also. If you want to role play these actions , take proper evidence of such role play, and provide it to police upon questioning, that is perfectly acceptable. However, you just want to be able to kill people and if cops didn't see you do it or you manage to lose their line of sight, you're off scott free? I'm sorry but that's not how the game works nor does real life work that way. In no way is a police MDC "all knowing" its an effort based upon team work, IC actions to find your information, and so on. Do you not think police have your DMV photo on record in real life? If you committed a drive by in your car and police saw your plate, you don't think you'd be questioned? If you were on the corner with your friends after a murder, you don't think a police officer would possibly spot you from the group after being told by his commanding officer to look for you? Do you expect an officer who has your DMV photo to check all 10 other people in your group and pretend like he doesn't recognize you from your photos? You committed a crime in a registered vehicle and I understand that we do not yet have vehicle theft system in place making it possible to use other vehicles but the bottom line is, you committed a crime using tools that were easily traced back to your character and you got caught, there was nothing "power game" about that. You are also complaining about OOC reading of names yet there is a /mask function built into the game if you're truly worried about meta game however I assure you in this scenario it wouldn't have made a difference because no one "just read your name and picked you out" it was a coordinated effort to search for you by photo ID and it turned out successful.