zo0p Posted November 18, 2019 Report Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) I've noticed that Police have the ability that even if they conduct a illegal search whatever is found on the person still gets charged against them. There was a case where a player was pulled over for driving a scrapyard vehicle but was then told they were under arrest for a crime that wasn't stated in the penal code. The player was given the charge of unroadworthy vehicle and then searched only to find a few drugs on their person. The unroadworthy charge doesn't state anything about driving a scrapyard vehicle. Which in term means the search was illegal due to the fact there was no lawful stated reason for the search of the person, but I'm not sure about searching the vehicle itself as no where in the penal code or readily available documentation does it state such things. If we were to incorporate a bill of rights it would stop these unlawful search and seizures. I only thought this because of the fact LS is a representation of Los Angeles in the US. I would only assume the bill of rights would be incorporated to players. According to the police rules the Maranda rights must be read before a arrest. This means that if the criminal was to confess or show the officers something before their rights are read it could be fought in a court system and get the charges dropped for the fact they didn't know their right to remain silent and anything they say or do could be used against them. I feel this would be related to searches as well due to the 4th amendment. Traffic citations in the real world do not allow the officer to conduct a search of the person unless probable cause of a criminal offense is committed. This could all be fixed by changing the penal code to incorporate a specific law for scrapyard vehicles or editing the description of unroadworthy vehicle. Let me know what you guys/girls think about adding a bill of rights to the server. I just feel you cant just have the Maranda rights and none of the other ones. I think this would add more rp opportunity's and give civilians the knowledge of the rights they have as a citizen of LS. The bill of rights could be modified to fit the server and placed in the penal code or as separate document. I wasn't sure where else to post this as I couldn't find anything on the gov forums to state this in. Link to the United States Bill of Rights - https://billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/ Of course we cant let people open-carry ak's so we can change it to fit the servers needs as I mentioned before unless we could incorporate a legal way of purchasing larger firearms for sport or home defense purposes which could be a goof idea if developed correctly with a gun license that is very difficult to obtain or maybe even is an OOC corruption offense to sell once purchased. Edited November 18, 2019 by zo0p
Marca Posted November 18, 2019 Report Posted November 18, 2019 "Vehicles are defined as unroadworthy when they fail to meet Minimum Safety Requirements" Why would a vehicle that was taken from the scrapyard meet such a requirement? Obviously it doesn't, hence why it was at the scrapyard in the first place. Most of this is an IC issue anyway. https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3259
Flucifial Posted November 18, 2019 Report Posted November 18, 2019 +1 on the suggestion of more civilian rights all together.
zo0p Posted November 18, 2019 Author Report Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Marca said: "Vehicles are defined as unroadworthy when they fail to meet Minimum Safety Requirements" Why would a vehicle that was taken from the scrapyard meet such a requirement? Obviously it doesn't, hence why it was at the scrapyard in the first place. Most of this is an IC issue anyway. https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3259 I understand but the issue the player faced was that the law only mentions external issues like broken headlights or turn signals. I was just using this as a example of the rights of the player being violated. The issue is that it doesn't state anywhere what rights civilians have. I just though that adding the bill of rights to the server would clarify this or even changing the law to include a scrapyard vehicle as unroadworthy. Its not that the car has physical complications but merely it not being registered. Moreover, I would just want to have a place that civilians could see their rights and examples of violations of those rights. Hence, the bill of rights. I know this would be better argued ICly but there is no means of doing so. An IA report wont change the law or add to it. I think a server side addition to the IC dimension would fix it as its something I believe should already of been in place if you get what I mean.
SamuelGunn Posted November 18, 2019 Report Posted November 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, zo0p said: I understand but the issue the player faced was that the law only mentions external issues like broken headlights or turn signals. I was just using this as a example of the rights of the player being violated. The issue is that it doesn't state anywhere what rights civilians have. I just though that adding the bill of rights to the server would clarify this or even changing the law to include a scrapyard vehicle as unroadworthy. Its not that the car has physical complications but merely it not being registered. Moreover, I would just want to have a place that civilians could see their rights and examples of violations of those rights. Hence, the bill of rights. I know this would be better argued ICly but there is no means of doing so. An IA report wont change the law or add to it. I think a server side addition to the IC dimension would fix it as its something I believe should already of been in place if you get what I mean. I really cant understand your logic, in which country you can drive unregistered vehicle in the first place? your whole suggestion is based on driving scrapyard vehicle which is illegal everywhere... Do I think police charges should change? It should yes, but the whole point you're making is based on your own error and you still don't want to admit your mistake.
Pegasus_ Posted November 18, 2019 Report Posted November 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, zo0p said: I understand but the issue the player faced was that the law only mentions external issues like broken headlights or turn signals. I was just using this as a example of the rights of the player being violated. The issue is that it doesn't state anywhere what rights civilians have. I just though that adding the bill of rights to the server would clarify this or even changing the law to include a scrapyard vehicle as unroadworthy. Its not that the car has physical complications but merely it not being registered. Moreover, I would just want to have a place that civilians could see their rights and examples of violations of those rights. Hence, the bill of rights. I know this would be better argued ICly but there is no means of doing so. An IA report wont change the law or add to it. I think a server side addition to the IC dimension would fix it as its something I believe should already of been in place if you get what I mean. https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=16723 Our "rights" are pretty well defined on the government website, even if they don't give specific examples like you would like. The example you're giving is completely valid, since an unregistered vehicle in itself is illegal, and I'm pretty sure the scrapyard gives you a note on this. If not, it should be pretty common sense to figure out that a vehicle that can't be traced, and bought some place as sketchy as a scrapyard, will be considered unroadworthy. And if you feel those rights are violated, you should go file an IA report, changing the law can't change rights being violated.
