Lower the tax.

[alexalex303]

14 minutes ago, Rover Smith said:

Me personally have asked multiple people that has Diamond VIP and most of them don't mind if the Tax Reduction became for everyone. you have to keep in mind that you can basically get the best cars and all of that in-game using credits also the other benefits for VIP that I did not mention simply because I don't care about, It's either the tax bracket gets re-adjusted where the 1.5m doesn't count as high bracket or other changes happen. I'm simply starting to dislike the game because of it ( You either commit an in-game crime as a legal because of tax or Pay IRL money for it or Just stfu and spend 50hours in front of a monitor to just make 250k if you're high bracket ) 

It doesn't matter that you asked a few friends. The other perks that you're talking about are not easily obtained, one of those cars is the same as diamond VIP for a whole year, a lot of people bought them but a lot of people also couldn't or didn't want to spend that much money. VIP is basically a subscription, saying it's the same as a one-time payment is conflating two things. You are advocating for removing benefits on a subscription and saying that the server will not lose money because your friends said so. It doesn't logically follow.

If you want to say that the server will lose money and that's fine because you think it's more important for you to have less tax, then that's fine, it's your opinion; what shouldn't happen is the pretending that it won't affect sales on a server of thousands of active players just because your friends will still buy it, possibly, if they were telling the truth.

Edited August 16, 2024 by alexalex303

[Sigma]

Tax brackets could definitley be adjusted yeah, but they still need to be at a point where it benefits people to purchase VIP. The server is a business at the end of the day, and with VIP being a consistent income, they arent going to risk decreasing that. Maybe just alter regular tax brackets a little bit, but you need to keep VIP worth peoples money.

[Danny_V]

I'm sorry for derailing this entire discussion by dragging VIP tax rebates into it.
(I now learned that the server relies too heavily on VIP sub income to touch the benefits, so it's maybe best to leave that part of the discussion alone for now)

The original post was about changing the current tax brackets.
Maybe we can bring the thread back to this original suggestion and get some more input on that?

[Rover Smith]

2 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

It doesn't matter that you asked a few friends. The other perks that you're talking about are not easily obtained, one of those cars is the same as diamond VIP for a whole year, a lot of people bought them but a lot of people also couldn't or didn't want to spend that much money. VIP is basically a subscription, saying it's the same as a one-time payment is conflating two things. You are advocating for removing benefits on a subscription and saying that the server will not lose money because your friends said so. It doesn't logically follow.

If you want to say that the server will lose money and that's fine because you think it's more important for you to have less tax, then that's fine, it's your opinion; what shouldn't happen is the pretending that it won't affect sales on a server of thousands of active players just because your friends will still buy it, possibly, if they were telling the truth.

Some of the people replying to the threads I don't know, and they agree with my point. Servers can make money, and I don't hate that. I'm more than happy to see the money making a lot of money or whatever. I just don't want to feel like wasting my real life more than someone who can just buy VIP for tax and get other benefits anyway. I'm not saying to remove the VIP tax benefits. I'm saying you can at least adjust it and make it a bit more fair for the people that can't just simply afford VIP. I'm simply starting to not have any RP because all I have to do is work MORE THAN 50 HOURS IRL just so I can get a little amount of money and enjoy the server and RP. I'm losing more than 150k in-game, which is 21 IRL hours.

 

I could simply put it easier for everyone and say to change the current tax brackets just as @Danny_V said I don't care about the rebate as much but it had to be used as reference. 

Edited August 16, 2024 by Rover Smith

[Ritchie Stones]

i don't think some ppl here understand how economy works, and I'm not a professional either but what I know, that if the tax bracket get changed to a point where people make more money, they will spend more, so ppl get notice of that and raise the prices.... so now you ar in the same position as before, only just higher, and it plugs the pin of the wagon for the newer generation of players coming in because they have to compete the most on that.

i would like a lower tax myself, yes.. for my own selfishness, but I know it will be harmful for the future of the city and ppl wanting to start playing.
look at the gta game itself and all the CEO businesses costing millions and millions.... new players just couldn't keep up, 

its not that simple to just lower tax and yolo, this has consequences, its only a short term fix for a bigger problem to solve later.

simple explained
- ppl make more money - ppl spend more money- ppl raise prices- ppl get left behind demanding more money- and repeat

[Rover Smith]

1 hour ago, Ritchie Stones said:

i don't think some ppl here understand how economy works, and I'm not a professional either but what I know, that if the tax bracket get changed to a point where people make more money, they will spend more, so ppl get notice of that and raise the prices.... so now you ar in the same position as before, only just higher, and it plugs the pin of the wagon for the newer generation of players coming in because they have to compete the most on that.

i would like a lower tax myself, yes.. for my own selfishness, but I know it will be harmful for the future of the city and ppl wanting to start playing.
look at the gta game itself and all the CEO businesses costing millions and millions.... new players just couldn't keep up, 

its not that simple to just lower tax and yolo, this has consequences, its only a short term fix for a bigger problem to solve later.

simple explained
- ppl make more money - ppl spend more money- ppl raise prices- ppl get left behind demanding more money- and repeat

I get your point but I could argue it's the same with VIP then. 

[Quietthecutie]

20 hours ago, Rover Smith said:

Most of the Diamond VIP users do not disagree with me. Also, a lot of them say that they won't stop buying VIP simply if the tax gets lowered for everyone or even if the if the tax bracket gets changed.

Who? How many? When was this? would they go on record?

Those are some pretty bold claims and they dont make any sense and with all due respect you havent presented any evidence to back it up.

"hey you know that thing you pay quite a bit for monthly? you wouldnt mind if we made the benefits you get for supporting the server significantly worse would you?"

Just does not make sense in my eyes.

5 hours ago, Rover Smith said:

I'm simply starting to dislike the game because of it ( You either commit an in-game crime as a legal because of tax or Pay IRL money for it or Just stfu and spend 50hours in front of a monitor to just make 250k if you're high bracket ) 

This sounds more like a job issue than a tax issue tbh. IMO if youre doing a salaried job purely to make money and hate the work (or lack of work) youre doing, its time to change careers. the best times ive had in legal jobs was when i didnt give a shit about the money and was just enjoying the rp ops.

[Quietthecutie]

10 hours ago, lupicek said:

I do totally agree with things said in your 3rd point about server upkeep etc.. but there are still things that are by me not balanced within VIP... if there would be one thing I would point out it would defo be the FUEL CONSUMPTION - this is one of the things that can totally ruin your chances in for example chase... if you use BF400 and not have VIP, you have like 10 - 15 mins to get away at max, if u don't, you just get caught by people chasing u that do have VIP, I thing that this could be changed by for example getting a fuel discount by the percentage that fuel consumption is lowered normally. GAS station would get still payed by same amount and you would just receive a discount.
 

I really dont understand your comment. is your sizzling hot take the fact that people who buy VIP have perks that benefit them in game? shocking...

Yeah, the fuel consumption buff you get from VIP is really, really good, particularly in chases. It opens alot of new avenues in evading, but it dosent make your BF any faster. it just increases the time you have to successfully get away. it dosent make it any easier to evade. it just gives you more time to do it. 

But youre aware of this. and you can play around it by topping up your fuel in gas stations more regularly and driving more riskily in evasions in order to try to get gap before fuel becomes a concern. 

The way I drive when i dont have VIP is completely different to the way i drive when i do have VIP. because i am aware of that timer, and so are you.

Ultimately no one is putting a gun to your head and demanding you buy VIP for what is a free to play RP server. but you should be thanking the people who do because those are the ones who keep the server running. the server has to make money and the only other real alternative would be a monthly subscription.

[Rover Smith]

45 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

Who? How many? When was this? would they go on record?

Those are some pretty bold claims and they dont make any sense and with all due respect you havent presented any evidence to back it up.

"hey you know that thing you pay quite a bit for monthly? you wouldnt mind if we made the benefits you get for supporting the server significantly worse would you?"

Just does not make sense in my eyes.

This sounds more like a job issue than a tax issue tbh. IMO if youre doing a salaried job purely to make money and hate the work (or lack of work) youre doing, its time to change careers. the best times ive had in legal jobs was when i didnt give a shit about the money and was just enjoying the rp ops.

Whether they wanna say who they are publicly or not is up to them not to me but most people agree that 35% tax is a lot.

 

I'm pretty much enjoying my in-game job. It's a salaried job, but I'm not only doing it for the money; I'm doing it to enjoy RP and all of that stuff, but it still would be nice to get some money that I can actually interact with other players with rather than barely having enough money to get water and food because of the tax. My point is that currently we are getting so forced into either committing tax fraud in-game, which is a crime, or getting lower taxes. or to just buy VIP.

[Quietthecutie]

53 minutes ago, Rover Smith said:

Whether they wanna say who they are publicly or not is up to them not to me but most people agree that 35% tax is a lot.

 

I'm pretty much enjoying my in-game job. It's a salaried job, but I'm not only doing it for the money; I'm doing it to enjoy RP and all of that stuff, but it still would be nice to get some money that I can actually interact with other players with rather than barely having enough money to get water and food because of the tax. My point is that currently we are getting so forced into either committing tax fraud in-game, which is a crime, or getting lower taxes. or to just buy VIP.

I wasnt talking about your opinion on tax i was talking about your claims regarding people who pay for VIP not caring if it got nerfed.

Picture this. you pay a premium each month for high speed internet. your provider calls you up and says that they will be lowering your speeds so that they can provide a better service for people who dont pay for a premium service, but thats ok because you will still be connected to the internet just at a lower speed so you shouldnt worry. what would you do?

Youre also leaving out the very obvious option which is to just accept that people who pay to support the server should be entitled to benefits commensurate with their donations, and people who dont will just have to grind more. its not unreasonable and its a very common business model for a free to play game.

Also also just to touch on the realisim of the tax rate. 25-35% income tax is extremely common for anyone with median household income to pay in an American state, which is what SA is based on.

Edited August 16, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[inorigj]

On 8/15/2024 at 11:50 AM, Rover Smith said:

((Server feels like it's slowly becoming P2W; getting the best cars in the game with credits but I don't care. Getting a license plate, changing the number or apartment, or all of those other things, I don't mind. but also having a lower tax that just makes you make money way easier than the people who work and put in crazy hours of work is crazy.))

As someone who has had VIP constantly since 2017.

the few times I've dipped into not having VIP due to not noticing it expiring. its HORRIBLE. I honestly don't think it should be like it currently is.

There have to be ways for non-VIPs to also be able to lower their taxes. keep VIP's perks the same, but make it so you can also grind, apply or pay ic money or something to lower your taxes without having VIP.

 

The amount of money you lose for simply not paying the server money is insane. You're not able to sell credit vehicles for IC money, because its basically RWT.

Giving you a financial gain icly with ooc means.

Having the taxes lowered simply because you paid real money. is also a financial gain icly with ooc means. its simply not fair

[Rover Smith]

12 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

I wasnt talking about your opinion on tax i was talking about your claims regarding people who pay for VIP not caring if it got nerfed.

Picture this. you pay a premium each month for high speed internet. your provider calls you up and says that they will be lowering your speeds so that they can provide a better service for people who dont pay for a premium service, but thats ok because you will still be connected to the internet just at a lower speed so you shouldnt worry. what would you do?

Youre also leaving out the very obvious option which is to just accept that people who pay to support the server should be entitled to benefits commensurate with their donations, and people who dont will just have to grind more. its not unreasonable and its a very common business model for a free to play game.

Also also just to touch on the realisim of the tax rate. 25-35% income tax is extremely common for anyone with median household income to pay in an American state, which is what SA is based on.

I'm not hating on people with VIP; if you are able to support the server, that is great and you can enjoy your benefits, but for others it's horrible. "Grind more" isn't a solution; it's a game that should be played to have some fun anyway, not to stay working for as long as you can and only interacting with the people in your job. It's a roleplay situation where we should prioritize role-playing most of the stuff instead of role-playing doing my job only. I only want a fair middle solution for people that simply can't get VIP. Also, I'm not trying to be rude; everyone has their own opinion, of course, and if you disagree with me, I totally respect that. I'm just stating my opinion and saying how I feel and possibly how others feel.

[Ritchie Stones]

17 hours ago, Rover Smith said:

I get your point but I could argue it's the same with VIP then. 

Very true and even unfair. I am

diamont vip, if they remove that perk, im

out, they losing money, so its a los on their side you know

[Rover Smith]

2 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said:

Very true and even unfair. I am

diamont vip, if they remove that perk, im

out, they losing money, so its a los on their side you know

All I want is just a middle option for both I don't want them to remove Diamond VIP perks.