Shany Posted November 25, 2023 Report Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) ONLY SUGGESTIONS. I would like to start off by saying imho we need some changes for at least the people that are not in factions or are playing in smaller groups. So not all the people want to be a part of the current faction system/ or just don't want to be in a faction. But because getting your own faction/gang here is not that easy, there are either people that play with smaller numbers or they join on the the existing factions, due this reason the factions that do exist have sometimes quite a lot of members. from 14 to 33, if all of those players are online at the same time they could in theory all go to the same place to do a bank robbery/raid a house structure or anything of that manner. For example: a faction with 25 members has currently 15 members online, someone spots a different player with a big house structure and has a weapon and maybe see a car or 2 go in and never come out, those 15 members could all go to that house structure to raid the said player, this player could be alone, or with some friends doing his thing. If 15 people show up there is nothing you as a small group could ever do to defend your own house and belongings. So here for the rule changes A max group size for activities such as going to a lab, robbing a player, bank robberies, going to raid a players house/chop and all the others ofc. Where I would suggest max being 4/5. If more players are around due there being a meeting or something faction/gang related when a different group is going in for a house/structure raid they can all help. Should always keep video proof of why there are more than 5 players active at that location, no excuses to have more people at a lab/bank robbery and a house raid that you're doing. Max group size also goes for Police/FBI w/e. Since cops should still have dominance over the situation their group size should be determined by players being chased/arrested, if more players show up for the chase or w/e(max group 4/5) more police could ask for more assistance. So for group size: 1-2 criminals max 5 police, 3-5 criminals max 7-8 police. Keep in mind those are only suggestions. No third party bs. So when you see a group raiding a players house/ taking over a lab you do NOT try to shoot the people that are trying to raid for their weapons. So also no other groups from different gangs/factions can be called to help or w/e. No actually killing of a downed player within seconds of them being downed.(I think finishing people should be removed all together.) Players should be at least down for some minutes before they take slow damage and bleed out/can finish themselves while holding a button. The police force should not roll up with maxed out equipments such as Assault rifles and shotguns and w/e for a simple traffic stop. Same goes for the police helicopter being in the air before anything even happened at the police stop. When chasing other players whether it's police or other criminals in a car there should be no ramming/pitting the other car on high speeds like 120+. Police should also not use excessive force when nothing really happened yet. The police should imo at least have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that when there was a shootout near/around a house the house was involved in the shootout before breaching it/raiding it. Otherwise you just hold up/lure some groups around a house of people you don't like either get shot yourself or shoot them and the house gets raided too. In house cooking is nerfed to the ground which is not a problem by itself. Cooking in and around your own house should be possible and it is, in house is not worth it since the tables will explode after like 1,5 cook without watering. Solution! People place their tables in a rv, on their roof, in their garden, somewhere in the wild? They fill them said tables to the brim with supplies and just let them cook till they explode? So inside the house 1 table yield 1,5 cooks, outside/rv it would yield like 20 cooks per table? Yes I get the risk involved in placing the tables outside but still just letting them cook till they explode is just weird. Tables that explode inside or outside or in a RV should all expect the same behaviour from police. Not a house raid for inside and nothing for the other two. Tables should not be setup to explode, as it should be considered NON-RP whether it be in the wild(nature fire) on a roof(House fire same as inside) or in a RV where there would be nothing left of the said RV. Outside tables should NOT be setup near large populated areas without some sort of extra equipment. Some other rule changes I would like to see. Bank robberies/store robberies should not be a go in crab cash and leave thing, players should be able to take a hostage(no admin / ooc needed if its only for a job) the kidnapper should respect the hostage, but hostage should still fear for his life and comply. The police should put the hostages life on the first place. Calling people slurs should not be instantly reportable, yet it should not be used excessively and when asked not to slur players should respect this. NLR changes since even when people get finished when downed they don't really forget what happened. They should yes but they don't. Thus either remove the finishing aspect or change this rule up a bit. When a downed player gets healed at a hospital, the player should not be able to rejoin the fight right away. In case of scuff(something weird due a bug/ script bug) players should have the chance to "try again" Change up faction rules and requirements, make this more accessible to everyone. Allow some stunt jumps to at least give a criminal a chance to evade. Right now police vehicles seem to be better than criminal cars in all aspects. gameplay changes suggestions. Edited November 25, 2023 by Shane Oega Quote
Requiem Posted November 27, 2023 Report Posted November 27, 2023 So you have a lot of content in this post. Some of the things you have suggested here is actually already in place within the rules. I will touch on each of your points here: On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: A max group size for activities such as going to a lab, robbing a player, bank robberies, going to raid a players house/chop and all the others ofc. Where I would suggest max being 4/5. If more players are around due there being a meeting or something faction/gang related when a different group is going in for a house/structure raid they can all help. Should always keep video proof of why there are more than 5 players active at that location, no excuses to have more people at a lab/bank robbery and a house raid that you're doing. Max group size also goes for Police/FBI w/e. Since cops should still have dominance over the situation their group size should be determined by players being chased/arrested, if more players show up for the chase or w/e(max group 4/5) more police could ask for more assistance. So for group size: 1-2 criminals max 5 police, 3-5 criminals max 7-8 police. We don't want to force limits on players from participating in certain content or going on the map where they would like for various reasons. It would not be fair to players to place this limitation on them just to cater to smaller groups. The idea is that a smaller group should be trying to get on the good side of these larger factions...whether thats joining them, making an alliance with them or making some kind of deal with them to stay on their good side. Its part of the realistic politics of the criminal side of the server. As far as police response is concerned, police are always reactionary. If there are only 2-3 people in a situation, police like only send a couple of units in response. If there is a shootout between 30 different gang members, police will probably send every unit they have currently on duty. Police response and force is measured by each situation just as it would be IRL. Lastly, even if this was implemented, this would be very difficult to enforce from a server admin perspective... On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: No third party bs. So when you see a group raiding a players house/ taking over a lab you do NOT try to shoot the people that are trying to raid for their weapons. So also no other groups from different gangs/factions can be called to help or w/e. RP should be organic and flow as needed. There are backup rules in place for criminals already that you can review that cover some of this. If players come across a situation such as a raid or a lab fight naturally, then there shouldn't be a restriction on them to do as they like as long as its within the rules. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: No actually killing of a downed player within seconds of them being downed.(I think finishing people should be removed all together.) Players should be at least down for some minutes before they take slow damage and bleed out/can finish themselves while holding a button. If you get into a gunfight with others, then you need to be willing to accept the consequences of being killed for it. Criminals have no reason most often to be merciful as they just risk you snitching or coming back for revenge if you live. It eliminates the risk to finish you off. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: The police force should not roll up with maxed out equipments such as Assault rifles and shotguns and w/e for a simple traffic stop. Same goes for the police helicopter being in the air before anything even happened at the police stop. Normal police officers do not roll around with assault rifles and shotguns on normal traffic stops. There may be advanced/specialized units you will see such as SWAT officers that may have this gear, but thats within their job role to be heavily armed. As for helicopters, the LSPD and LSSD factions mimic Los Angeles Law enforcement. In LA, police regular have helicopter patrols around the city for various reasons. If someone is known to evade on most of their traffic stops, then police will likely react and prepare for that appropriately. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: When chasing other players whether it's police or other criminals in a car there should be no ramming/pitting the other car on high speeds like 120+. Police should also not use excessive force when nothing really happened yet. Police ram or use force when they determine its necessary and based on reaction to the suspect they are chasing. If the suspect has used force or is driving incredibly recklessly, you should expect the police to response appropriately. Criminals should not be using sports vehicles to ram or ramming/blocking in risky manners that would put their own life at risk, as that would be considered NRP/FearRP and is already against the rules. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: The police should imo at least have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that when there was a shootout near/around a house the house was involved in the shootout before breaching it/raiding it. Otherwise you just hold up/lure some groups around a house of people you don't like either get shot yourself or shoot them and the house gets raided too. There are already plenty of OOC rules and IC policies in place to ensure law enforcement will not raid a house unless they have proper reason and probable cause to do so. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: In house cooking is nerfed to the ground which is not a problem by itself. Cooking in and around your own house should be possible and it is, in house is not worth it since the tables will explode after like 1,5 cook without watering. Solution! People place their tables in a rv, on their roof, in their garden, somewhere in the wild? They fill them said tables to the brim with supplies and just let them cook till they explode? So inside the house 1 table yield 1,5 cooks, outside/rv it would yield like 20 cooks per table? Yes I get the risk involved in placing the tables outside but still just letting them cook till they explode is just weird. Tables that explode inside or outside or in a RV should all expect the same behaviour from police. Not a house raid for inside and nothing for the other two. Tables should not be setup to explode, as it should be considered NON-RP whether it be in the wild(nature fire) on a roof(House fire same as inside) or in a RV where there would be nothing left of the said RV. Outside tables should NOT be setup near large populated areas without some sort of extra equipment. The point is not to cook on drug tables without watering them to let them explode on purpose. If you cook on a table inside a house and it explodes inside the house, all the police know is that something exploded inside and there is a potential fire and its their job to respond appropriately and assist anyone that may be injured inside. When its discovered that the source was an operational drug lab, then they respond as such. Many drug tables are not near populated areas, but some are. Up to you to determine that level of risk based on where you are cooking and how you do it. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: Bank robberies/store robberies should not be a go in crab cash and leave thing, players should be able to take a hostage(no admin / ooc needed if its only for a job) the kidnapper should respect the hostage, but hostage should still fear for his life and comply. The police should put the hostages life on the first place. You have the choice. You can either grab cash and run, or try to take a hostage if its within the rules. You are not allowed to just grab anyone you want with no escalation as a hostage, but you do not require admin permission to take a hostage as long as its done within the rules. Hostages will already follow current FearRP rules and police will respond appropriately based on demands made and how the negotiations proceed. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: Calling people slurs should not be instantly reportable, yet it should not be used excessively and when asked not to slur players should respect this. Some slurs are already allowed. Ethnic or LGBT+ slurs must be given OOC consent from all players in the area first, but if thats done, its allowed per the existing server rules. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: NLR changes since even when people get finished when downed they don't really forget what happened. They should yes but they don't. Thus either remove the finishing aspect or change this rule up a bit. Already discussed this earlier with downing and finishing people. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: When a downed player gets healed at a hospital, the player should not be able to rejoin the fight right away. This is not realistic. If someone was shot, they would need hospitalization and would end of being there for potentially days or weeks, and even after being released, would still be recovering and likely in pain and wouldn't just go right back out and keep fighting like nothing happened. In addition, from a balancing perspective, this would just turn the server into a call of duty PVP fest with people just healing and going back out to fight over and over. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: In case of scuff(something weird due a bug/ script bug) players should have the chance to "try again" This is already the case. If a bug occurs, submit a /report 2 in game and an admin can reset a situation for you if a bug/glitch changed the outcome of a situation. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: Change up faction rules and requirements, make this more accessible to everyone. We want to encourage people to join factions and RP together, therefore it doesn't make sense to just give faction benefits to everyone. On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Shane Oega said: Allow some stunt jumps to at least give a criminal a chance to evade. Right now police vehicles seem to be better than criminal cars in all aspects. Stunt jumps are against the rules due to it being unrealistic as it would likely hurt/kill the driver and severely damage/total the vehicle in some instances. Its not there to limit your escapes from police. I can assure you that police vehicles are most often far more limited than civilian vehicles. Quote
Shany Posted November 29, 2023 Author Report Posted November 29, 2023 On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: We don't want to force limits on players from participating in certain content or going on the map where they would like for various reasons. It would not be fair to players to place this limitation on them just to cater to smaller groups. The idea is that a smaller group should be trying to get on the good side of these larger factions...whether that's joining them, making an alliance with them or making some kind of deal with them to stay on their good side. Its part of the realistic politics of the criminal side of the server. As far as police response is concerned, police are always reactionary. If there are only 2-3 people in a situation, police like only send a couple of units in response. If there is a shootout between 30 different gang members, police will probably send every unit they have currently on duty. Police response and force is measured by each situation just as it would be IRL. Lastly, even if this was implemented, this would be very difficult to enforce from a server admin perspective... It's more healthy to have multiple smaller groups doing something else, it 1. Makes the server more alive due not everyone from one faction being at the same spot 2. You don't have to pull your whole faction to a different spot because someone is being held up 3. Even smaller groups have a chance to do something, as explained me as a 2-3 person group cannot go about to raid a house structure, fail the boltcut? 8+ people show up great. People show up to raid me? 8+ people show up. great. It's easily enforced with reports, are you at a lab with more than 5 people when being attacked it's a failrp. 7 Policeman for 1 car with 1 person? https://i.imgur.com/GHn5QqL.png On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: RP should be organic and flow as needed. There are backup rules in place for criminals already that you can review that cover some of this. If players come across a situation such as a raid or a lab fight naturally, then there shouldn't be a restriction on them to do as they like as long as its within the rules. There still should not be any 3rd party fighting going on. If you're raiding someone a random 3rd party group should not just come in and attack the raiding party. It's a bad practice and you could get accused of metagaming since the 3rd party group lies to the raiding party as seen here. https://i.imgur.com/vAEvmSs.png On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: If you get into a gunfight with others, then you need to be willing to accept the consequences of being killed for it. Criminals have no reason most often to be merciful as they just risk you snitching or coming back for revenge if you live. It eliminates the risk to finish you off. A'ight no need to be merciful, explain the RP of shooting someone down, looking for their ID and removing their mask to give them an alias and killing them afterwards? On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: Normal police officers do not roll around with assault rifles and shotguns on normal traffic stops. There may be advanced/specialized units you will see such as SWAT officers that may have this gear, but thats within their job role to be heavily armed. As for helicopters, the LSPD and LSSD factions mimic Los Angeles Law enforcement. In LA, police regular have helicopter patrols around the city for various reasons. If someone is known to evade on most of their traffic stops, then police will likely react and prepare for that appropriately. You seem really out of touch on this. Yesterday I was just looking at doors to see if any were for sale, a cop rolls up to me tells me to id myself and calls for backup 3 cars show up with heavy arms. A helicopter for someone that went 5 over the speed limit is MENTAL. On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: Police ram or use force when they determine its necessary and based on reaction to the suspect they are chasing. If the suspect has used force or is driving incredibly recklessly, you should expect the police to response appropriately. Criminals should not be using sports vehicles to ram or ramming/blocking in risky manners that would put their own life at risk, as that would be considered NRP/FearRP and is already against the rules. When police ram my vehicle within 5 seconds of a chase or at speeds up to 150+km/h it's not appropriate. On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: There are already plenty of OOC rules and IC policies in place to ensure law enforcement will not raid a house unless they have proper reason and probable cause to do so. Apparently not, 2 groups fight around my house they die on my roof, driveway and all around the house. People inside were hidden, and yet the police went to breach anyway. No indication there was anything inside. On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: The point is not to cook on drug tables without watering them to let them explode on purpose. If you cook on a table inside a house and it explodes inside the house, all the police know is that something exploded inside and there is a potential fire and its their job to respond appropriately and assist anyone that may be injured inside. When its discovered that the source was an operational drug lab, then they respond as such. Many drug tables are not near populated areas, but some are. Up to you to determine that level of risk based on where you are cooking and how you do it. Out of touch. Do you even realise how many people just have 1 drug table on their roof in their garden or w/e and dump them full of cooking supplies 20+ and just come back 10 hours later to find the table gone but cooked 25+ drugs? On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: Some slurs are already allowed. Ethnic or LGBT+ slurs must be given OOC consent from all players in the area first, but if thats done, its allowed per the existing server rules. If someone calls you a faggot in a heated argument it shouldn't be a instant reportable offence. On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: This is not realistic. If someone was shot, they would need hospitalization and would end of being there for potentially days or weeks, and even after being released, would still be recovering and likely in pain and wouldn't just go right back out and keep fighting like nothing happened. In addition, from a balancing perspective, this would just turn the server into a call of duty PVP fest with people just healing and going back out to fight over and over. ?? I said they SHOULD NOT be able to rejoin the fight. That happens tho a lot. On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: This is already the case. If a bug occurs, submit a /report 2 in game and an admin can reset a situation for you if a bug/glitch changed the outcome of a situation. It's not the case, a admins response time is 30 minutes+. If my car stalls due a scuff/you cannot get on a bike due a scuff it's way to late for an amin to fix that situation. On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: We want to encourage people to join factions and RP together, therefore it doesn't make sense to just give faction benefits to everyone. This actually makes no sense at all. More freedom in this aspect means there's way more to gain. More factions means more conflicts, more chance to RP with other factions. Factions with more people can gain more power? Gain better options? W/e the options are unlimited. On 11/27/2023 at 3:42 PM, Requiem said: Stunt jumps are against the rules due to it being unrealistic as it would likely hurt/kill the driver and severely damage/total the vehicle in some instances. Its not there to limit your escapes from police. I can assure you that police vehicles are most often far more limited than civilian vehicles. A police vehicle ramming a civ vehicle at speeds up to 150+km/h wouldn't destroy a vehicle? Or kill the people inside either car? Almost all jumps with ramps and shit are blocked with server props so no stunt jumps are not possible. A lot of the times you see police vehicles ramming something full speed head on and just keep on driving. Quote
Oli Posted November 29, 2023 Report Posted November 29, 2023 All I'm reading is completely IC about you wanting to stick to your small group and that you hate bigger groups. Staying in your small crew is your decision, it wasnt forced upon you, so if you dont like it, work on changing it. Rest of the points are either already in place or not realistic, -1. Quote
Jett_J Posted November 29, 2023 Report Posted November 29, 2023 I agree with Oli. It's your choice to participate in criminal RP in a small group. A small group has its own advantages and disadvantages so you need to adapt to that instead of try to get the rules changed in your favor and destroy the way factions operate currently. -1 Quote
Shany Posted December 2, 2023 Author Report Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) Factions gotta have 10+ people show up to anything they do or they are nothing. Divide your faction into groups which makes the server more alive and more balanced. The fact that you gotta go into a faction to even do anything crim in this server is the problem. And y'all are 100% part of it. On 11/29/2023 at 8:00 PM, Jett_J said: and destroy the way factions operate currently Edited December 2, 2023 by Shany 3 Quote
Jett_J Posted December 3, 2023 Report Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shany said: Factions gotta have 10+ people show up to anything they do or they are nothing. Divide your faction into groups which makes the server more alive and more balanced. The fact that you gotta go into a faction to even do anything crim in this server is the problem. And y'all are 100% part of it. ECRP is very faction oriented. Get with the program or fail trying to do your own thing. The majority of the player base likes it how it is right now. Edited December 3, 2023 by Jett_J Quote
Oli Posted December 3, 2023 Report Posted December 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Shany said: Factions gotta have 10+ people show up to anything they do or they are nothing. Divide your faction into groups which makes the server more alive and more balanced. The fact that you gotta go into a faction to even do anything crim in this server is the problem. And y'all are 100% part of it. ok Quote
Quietthecutie Posted December 3, 2023 Report Posted December 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Shany said: Factions gotta have 10+ people show up to anything they do or they are nothing. Divide your faction into groups which makes the server more alive and more balanced. The fact that you gotta go into a faction to even do anything crim in this server is the problem. And y'all are 100% part of it. Dunno where this is coming from, im sure it cant be fun to get rolled by a deep group but there are plenty of factions that operate in smaller groups. you work with what you have. Quote
