John Nut

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Perhaps regulate it? Make it so if there is enough players/LOA's online then the alarm goes back to like it was before. If you clean the store then no alarm. But if its low amounts of LOA's online then get auto alarm like now. That might be a good idea if those night shifts are like that.

I will make this super short. Remove the automatic alarm when robbing a store succesfully. Past months there has been abselutly no store robberies. This I have seen on my Cop char, there is not a single store alarm for weeks. Also on my crim account i tested and realised that its completely dogshit. Remove the automatic alarms so that people can actually rob stores without having the entire PD or SD force go camp all the stores after 1-2 stores is done. Remove the automatic alarms and take it back as it was before where the alarm dont go off if you emptied the store. Automatic alarms, marked cash does not make it worth or you do not go in profit as the cops will bust you much easier. I understand that some people wish this server to be ultra realistic, but its a game and curtain stuff cant be ultra realistic without ruining it :). Thanks!

Remove private labs fully, no point having it right now. Let people refund the items as they are not usable anymore if that happens. Add back sealab tables and North tables and shit is booming. Good updates.

I, John Reggal do agree with my brother. +2

Another idea is to perhaps add private labs as one of the official tiers bonuses for official factions. Remove all this stupid minigames and have it like cooking in private was before this new update. This way the whole gang "shares" it and it doesnt spawn money, but rather help with the drug turfs but to many members to feed money as too many gang members are in rotation for it. This would make a little more sense. And perhaps adding a timer/blocker so you can only cook "this amount" within 24 hours or 48 hours

I didnt cook back then, I was told sinks used to refill waters. I guess that was false xD. But would be a good edition if they would to keep the private labs at this point and not disable it. But at this point please just let us refund the tables and vents as we are being "double penetrated" as bala mentioned. Then work on some more crim additions and fix/improve/buff the other crim options currently in the game.

If im not mistaken this was teased in the "upcomming" drug update. But wouldnt this bring back the same ol thing from priate labs rn? Locked away in another dimension printing money with barely any interaction?

At this point removing private labs would be much better, giving everyone that has it options to refund the lab. Then buffing the chops a little, removing the automatic store alarm again and fixing up and adding more criminal activities. This might be another topic but I was very dissapointed when I found out that the public chops was inside the labs. I was hoping they had a seperate location just like the labs. Adding more locations, more rotation. / You cant go labs and find someone cooking and chopping at the same time basically getting two birds one stone if you are looking to rob someone or whatever. There is also bugs with the new chop system which I made a bug report about, something I hope can get solved soon. As of now we feel very limited on what we can do. Stores are useless as cops will camp all the other stores when one or two store robberies goes off. Perhaps lowering the bank reset timers slightly? Jewerly store robbery would be a cool edition aswell but is also another topic. As I mentioned a few pages back, I personally hate cooking and super rarely do it as I enjoy banks, house robberies or chopping much more. I also miss the fact that big gangs/groups could run stores daily, interacting. But with the automatic alarms that has made it nearly impossible to hit more than 1-2 stores without waiting another hour before cops relax. Adding more options would fill this gap in my opinion. I completely agree with San diegos ideas. I understand the reasoning for alot of people wanting to nerf and remove labs, even tho i dissagree on it at this moment as I dont feel we have enough other things to do. Simple small additions and more jobs would be great. With all this negativity, I do appriciate the new updates that has recently been comming out. House robberies, small fixes and changes to the server like Car wash. Even tho I never used the car wash more than once its still nice to see small things like that be implemented. All creds for the devs for things like that. Long story short, adding more things to do that is more consistant might fill in the gap off those private labs and give more stuff to do. more options to choose I dont have more to discuss as iv said all that is on my mind.

Many players are old time players and simply boored of the same old Rp and etc. Public labs is the one location where its hard to be struck with DM as they basically almost can give demands on sight. So public labs are being used as the PVP areas of the map. Unlike in the city where it would ne NRP and DM just handing out demands left and right. Atleast to my understanding

I can agree with points being said by every part. I understand how many feel its sitting inside property spawning cash. At some points yes it can be like that, specially if you are in an official faction where you can order it yourself or have contacts that will just fix it for you barely no RP interactions done etc. There is alot of people cooking on 50+ tables earning 90k an hour. Which is kinda lame. I never did it like this and I did it in a team effort where we was 2-3 people at all times doing it. This was basically only to tripple check nothing was missed and we didnt loose the lab. But adding more interactions that is not just there to delay and nerf us would be better. Like perhaps something of what I mentioned in the last post. If private labs would be removed completely, then add back north and sealabb. perhaps combine those labs into another big lab like the new one. Put the public chop locations in different spots than in the middle of the labs. Change the materials slightly. to either old method or lower the price even more for materials so the loss isnt too big if lost. Lower weapon prices and do small changes on the server in general balancing it a little more.

I dont know by pinpoint how to fix it, I only have ideas and opinions. My opinion is that this is the wrong way to nerf the lab. What I can think off that might be a better option is to perhaps Raising the timer for the drugs, lowering the price slighlty perhaps. Keep the refilling timer add sinks back as its kinda nrp not having it. Make the drugs actually benefit you in surtain situations which makes people maybe want to sell it to players and not only NPC dealers. like health, speed and etc Remove the water minigame or keep it if the heating system goes back to normal. Vents maybe randomly faulting and you have a timer to fix it or buy new one. making it more easier to get "comped" by PD or other players. (kind of like the cleaning) Making it so only 1 drug can go in table at once, making 1 guy needing to water, 1 to fill drugs back and 1 to clean? or something. this is already a team effort and brings interactions with more players. And yes not many but it does, and players in my opinion should be able to choose something that doesnt involve 20-30 people and between close trusted members of gang or whatever. Add small details that make you unable to cook alone on 50+ tables. But so a small group/crew can. Like 1 water, 1 make sure everything is clean and another do something else. A group effort. If you spend 3-5 million and you are smart enough to not get fucked by police and other crims, why should they now be punished. with this new update I feel like they are just trying to remove it but stil have it as a thing. If they really dont want private labs on the server, jsut remove them and let us refund all the items.

I havent cooked in months and Iv used house robberies, banks and chops to make money as im tired of cooking. Just because Im making a thread doesnt mean im butthurt for loosing my income. Which in this case isnt true. Iv chosen to not cook for the past few months as im boored of it. That doesnt mean I wont defend private labs. I simply strongly dissagree with this update

Gang A and Gang B is a good option yes. But personally I wouldnt count that as much more RP. As its Gang A and B waiting for Gang C and D to /s HANDS OR DIE and a shootout happens.

Robbing houses is even less RP interactions then cooking 2bh. I go to dealer buy a house location, go alone to house, rob it and im done. sell the stuff at Pawn and sell cash to dealers. No RP interactions needed. BUT cops can get notified and thats one RP scenario.

This I can agree more on. Yes you do sometimes get cut off after setting up the lab. But not always, it depends on what your play style is. If you want to buy materials from other players like weed or ordering lysergic. Then you still RP interact with people. Or you go plant and pick plants in lab which also oppertunities to RP. I understand and I can somewhat agree with what the intentions and goals are, but I dissagree with how its being done. This new private lab "nerf" is not how to do it in my opinion.

You been a leader of gangs before. This is just nonsense, joke of the century. You know its more than spawning money inside properties xD. You dont just get a lab delivered to your lap. You need connections, weeks and months and more to build up cash. Then to use your connections to be able to buy or order this. More RP than most of people running labs will ever do :).

Joke of the century

This is a seriouse discussion, please no memes A legal with 40 hours could be more than halfway to buy a nice shinobi. But a crim, tripple that time if not more UNless you spent months to gather enough tables, vents, properties. 3-5 millions. which is A FUCKING LOT of Rp

Not when you spend 90k for one full geared trip to the lab which 70% will be lost as you die in labs. Lets say you possibly survive, then 40k-60k depending on how much the official gangs sold it to you for, has been lost in one simple armor. Bring that 90k profit down to 50k or less. That means you need to gear up fully to not be insta killed by a group. Thats 90k if not more. Then 50k materials for drugs, then either 12-15k for lysergic or spend a few hours collecting enough weed. which means you die you loose 150k give or take. and then you need to spend 3+ hours in private lab to contest that loss/rebuild????? or go back and possibly loose another 150k, or 50-100k if you dont want to gear up and just hope one of those 100+ crim players doesnt come robbin you If this is staying ingame, then god damn lower those weapon and armor prices and bring this new gun update xD so Crim items/prices gets a little more balanced. Luke Skywalker needs to come over here and bring balance to the force. Iv had a legal alt for over a year. Iv bought 1 pistol from the gun store. Still have that one pistol. I get guns free from work when working in SD. I buy a house and a car and then maybe save up to something bigger. I never ever loose something and investments are not to be seen unless ur building a buiz from scrap. But with Crims, you literally put hundreds of thousands on the line just to operate a chop shop (that can be comped/stolen by other crims or cops) , or 3-4 million on a private lab which is now useless and just been completely ruined (that can be comped/stolen by other crims or cops). Making 6-9k an hour for crims doesnt work for crims. that can barely give you one pistol unless you buy for stock price. Which is very hard to get nowdays with the limited official factions. Comparing Legal prices to crim prices does not work and will never work.

I understand that filling 1 bottle is more realistic. But adding minigame to water tables, minigame for refilling bottles 1 by 1. Tables get warmer quicker. Have and will completely kill private labs. At this point there is NO reason at all to own a public lab as ATM's will make you better money and be a better option. My suggestion is to either add sinks back into properties where you can refill the bottles. Remove the watering table minigame and keep the tables same as before with how warm they get. At this point with this new update there is no reason to own a 2-3+ million drug lab as its competely killed. Also wall safes are broken so thats GG. I understand that you want to push more public labs, but it is already buffed so hard and by adding this is basically forcing all small time criminals to go to labs where you 80% will get murdered by one of the 4 other Gigantic Demon clapping gangs. There is no balance at this point. I felt like that those big gangs have easier acces to cook in public labs as they have alot of gang members and its quicker to cook. But those smaller criminals now have no other way than to spend 3 hours to cook 90k profit. This will push more people out of the server as not everyone likes clapping/getting clapped in labs . There is alot of players with skill issues on the server.

Date and time (provide timezone): 15:26 CET Character name: John Reggal Issue/bug you are reporting: Public chop shops Expected behavior: Consawing in public chops Evidence, notes worth mentioning, steps to replicate: Hey! Ever since the new chop shops came into town there has been a known issue with the consaw where it is saying that you need to be in the chop shop to be able to consaw it. Even tho all the tools are closeby the toolbox and etc. What we use to do there is to log in and out until it works and hoping it would work, eventually we found out that the person that placed the toolbox has a higher chance or if not the only person actually able to consaw it. With the new public chop shops we were not able to consaw the vehicle at all. Tenbae and another admin tried to help but still didnt work. I think this bug is something that needs to be checked into now specially when there are public chops. As mentioned this is a bug that has happened ever since the new chop system was implemented but now with the public chops it does not seem like anyone is able to consaw it. thanks! Vehicle license plate number*: All NPC spawned and player vehicles