Argument to the pushing of disabled vehicles to mechanic.

[Bigemoneh Draggyass]

Here is a hypothetical for a roleplay scenario that I was punished for by an in-game admin:

You have your car disabled on the side of a freeway, you have requested mechanic services 3 times and waited for 20 minutes each time between pushing your car. Totaling almost two hours of be stranded and pushing your car. A roadside worker pulls by and offers to help push you near the mechanic to get repairs (There are mechanics online but are either not responding to roadside or are AFK). The roadside worker truck has a utility bumper and a real life example is when my friends and I would recover our disabled track cars by pushing them (with some soft materials to prevent scraping on the bumper of the company utility truck) and having someone steer the disabled car. I was roleplaying this and having fun with a new friend and an admin threatened us saying it was "failrp". I disagree if we are actually roleplaying a realistic scenario.  

Also take into account we had our hazards on, were on the side of the road and were explaining this to interested people passing us. 

Do you think that was unrealistic and  also severe enough to be threatened by administration?

The admin said that this was specifically against the "server rules" but did not clarify how other then the notion "because I said so". 

[Requiem]

I am not sure if this is an actual suggestion of some kind or if you are just asking a question here. 

I would hope that a member of the administration staff did not just say "because I said so", as it is the role of server staff to not simply enforce rules, but more importantly to assist and educate players to avoid making mistakes in the future, as long as that player is willing to cooperate and learn. 

The specific rule in mind here would be Non-RP that would have been referenced. I will include the exact section of the rule below where this would be referenced: 

 

Using inappropriate vehicles to ram and cause damage to another car. Appropriate vehicles are those with ram bars and heavy vehicles. Head-on rams are not allowed (ramming a vehicle head-on that is traveling towards you). Heavy Vehicles are considered but not limited to: Kamacho, Guardian, Pounder, Insurgent, TARV, other trucks, and vehicles of similar category. Performing a PIT maneuver against a vehicle significantly larger than your own. PIT maneuvers can be performed by anyone, not in a supercar. (A PIT maneuver is a tap on the rear side of a car, not done with the intention of causing damage to the car with yours, that would be considered ramming). Using Script Work Vehicles for other purposes than the intended job.

 

Using the spawned/scripted work vehicles for things other than doing their job is considered NRP per our server rules. This is so players don't just spawn these vehicle to use as their personal vehicle to go and commit crimes, attack/ram other players or their vehicles, etc. Realistically, you would get hired by the construction company and if you weren't actively doing your job or using the companies vehicle for unrelated purposes or even damaging their company vehicle, you would likely get fired from that job pretty quickly. Because the jobs in question here are just freelance jobs that any player can join or quit as they wish, server staff members need to make sure players are roleplaying properly and realistically for that job and the way they use the vehicles that can be spawned in. 

Hopefully this clarifies where the issue was in your situation. 

[Bigemoneh Draggyass]

11 hours ago, Requiem said:

I am not sure if this is an actual suggestion of some kind or if you are just asking a question here. 

I would hope that a member of the administration staff did not just say "because I said so", as it is the role of server staff to not simply enforce rules, but more importantly to assist and educate players to avoid making mistakes in the future, as long as that player is willing to cooperate and learn. 

The specific rule in mind here would be Non-RP that would have been referenced. I will include the exact section of the rule below where this would be referenced: 

 

Using inappropriate vehicles to ram and cause damage to another car. Appropriate vehicles are those with ram bars and heavy vehicles. Head-on rams are not allowed (ramming a vehicle head-on that is traveling towards you). Heavy Vehicles are considered but not limited to: Kamacho, Guardian, Pounder, Insurgent, TARV, other trucks, and vehicles of similar category. Performing a PIT maneuver against a vehicle significantly larger than your own. PIT maneuvers can be performed by anyone, not in a supercar. (A PIT maneuver is a tap on the rear side of a car, not done with the intention of causing damage to the car with yours, that would be considered ramming). Using Script Work Vehicles for other purposes than the intended job.

 

Using the spawned/scripted work vehicles for things other than doing their job is considered NRP per our server rules. This is so players don't just spawn these vehicle to use as their personal vehicle to go and commit crimes, attack/ram other players or their vehicles, etc. Realistically, you would get hired by the construction company and if you weren't actively doing your job or using the companies vehicle for unrelated purposes or even damaging their company vehicle, you would likely get fired from that job pretty quickly. Because the jobs in question here are just freelance jobs that any player can join or quit as they wish, server staff members need to make sure players are roleplaying properly and realistically for that job and the way they use the vehicles that can be spawned in. 

Hopefully this clarifies where the issue was in your situation. 

The construction worker was not currently on the job as they had finished the site already and my car was on their trip back. This situation does not classify as a "pit maneuver". It was on my own car which I had asked him to do for something other than to cause damage. As I said I have done a similar thing in real life taking great care not to damage the work truck and funnily enough the head of the project had the idea so I am arguing that point "quickly be fired". 

Yes the administrator basically implied "because I said so" and looking at the official rules I still don't think this qualifies as any failRP especially given the appropriate "Roleplay" context and additional "acting" we put into it. 

The purpose of my post isn't to ask the question of "if" it is failRP it is to push for the idea that respectable roleplay scenarios like this shouldn't be punished by administration so harshly. 

Yes I get it, that isn't the "intended purpose" for a spawned work truck but neither is driving the crew to the bank or other places after a job, which I have seen many times go unpunished.

10 miles an hour, on the shoulder, hazards on, pushing a disabled car for a stranded guy on the side of the road for a couple minutes while not causing any damage? I feel the context allows for wiggle room if it is kept respectable.

The idea is to have a "realistic, respectable, and enjoyable experience" here and I feel this specific situation falls under that. If I can't question admin's decision in a respectable forum post, then why even offer community rule suggestions? 

Further clarification is that we listened to the demands by administration and never continued doing that behavior and I instead brought it here for discussion. My bigger issue was the admin's "My way is right and no explanation other than my own (highly subjective) opinion will do and I will use every ounce of my ability to enforce it, even on new players" Using that mentality on such a small, and in my opinion innocent, instance is objectively toxic for the community. At least quote the actual rule he is enforcing, he legitimately made the server administration look reactive, abusive and unprofessional with the way he handled the situation in my opinion. This is intended as a post by a "community member" trying to make an argument of a specific scenario that was punished by administration which highlights negative "kill-joy" type mentality which hurts servers like this.

[Ritchie Stones]

20 hours ago, Bigemoneh Draggyass said:

The construction worker was not currently on the job as they had finished the site already and my car was on their trip back. This situation does not classify as a "pit maneuver". It was on my own car which I had asked him to do for something other than to cause damage. As I said I have done a similar thing in real life taking great care not to damage the work truck and funnily enough the head of the project had the idea so I am arguing that point "quickly be fired". 

Yes the administrator basically implied "because I said so" and looking at the official rules I still don't think this qualifies as any failRP especially given the appropriate "Roleplay" context and additional "acting" we put into it. 

The purpose of my post isn't to ask the question of "if" it is failRP it is to push for the idea that respectable roleplay scenarios like this shouldn't be punished by administration so harshly. 

Yes I get it, that isn't the "intended purpose" for a spawned work truck but neither is driving the crew to the bank or other places after a job, which I have seen many times go unpunished.

10 miles an hour, on the shoulder, hazards on, pushing a disabled car for a stranded guy on the side of the road for a couple minutes while not causing any damage? I feel the context allows for wiggle room if it is kept respectable.

The idea is to have a "realistic, respectable, and enjoyable experience" here and I feel this specific situation falls under that. If I can't question admin's decision in a respectable forum post, then why even offer community rule suggestions? 

Further clarification is that we listened to the demands by administration and never continued doing that behavior and I instead brought it here for discussion. My bigger issue was the admin's "My way is right and no explanation other than my own (highly subjective) opinion will do and I will use every ounce of my ability to enforce it, even on new players" Using that mentality on such a small, and in my opinion innocent, instance is objectively toxic for the community. At least quote the actual rule he is enforcing, he legitimately made the server administration look reactive, abusive and unprofessional with the way he handled the situation in my opinion. This is intended as a post by a "community member" trying to make an argument of a specific scenario that was punished by administration which highlights negative "kill-joy" type mentality which hurts servers like this.

i get your point but here is the thing, if this would be allowed, you simple move a boundary and then where do you draw the line not becoming a greyzone, certain things are in place as realistic or unrealistic as they are they have their reasons you might not have thought of, 
and most actual admins don't even know information reasoning that far, 

I would also not take the admins to personal on their responses, some are more enjoyable to talk with, other a a bit more rigid, but that doesn't mean they are "not caring" they simply have other tasks to do, 
as a person being 4 years in the city I will tell you the admins responses also frustrated me a lot in the beginning.
but the longer you play the game the more you understand how complex things are in place, and not everyone feels like having this endless discussion about what is realistic or not, because, this happens A LOT
retty much watch report forums and you will see how far people are willing to go to prove their point,
so don't take that personal, 

[Quietthecutie]

The server has an ongoing problem with people using scripted vehicles for unintended purposes. whilst this suggestion seems fairly innocent, its still NRP and its a slippery slope.

Having limited recovery options also encourages people to be more careful with their cars, discourages goon behaviour and creates RP when you have to go to a mechanic shop in person to ask for a recovery/order a cab/take a bus etc.

Dont get me wrong it sucks when your vehicle gets totalled but thats part of the experience. RP around it dont abuse script vehicles.

Edited February 1, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[Eliza]

Putting aside the fact that the issue here was using a scripted vehicle in a way that goes against server rules, I have to ask, why would someone risk causing significant damage to their personal vehicle like this in real life? There’s a reason people rely on flatbeds and tow trucks for vehicle recovery. Even if done carefully, pushing a disabled car with another vehicle carries a high risk of damaging both, which is why it’s not a common or recommended practice outside of controlled situations.

[Harveyyy]

Repeatedly slamming into another car to move it from point A to B for only god knows how long makes absolutely zero sense. If you think that's RP, then I honestly don't know what to say.

[Bigemoneh Draggyass]

Once again, my car was a rusty Futo, it wasn't us "slamming into it" we caused almost no additional damage to the car and zero damage to the truck. I have done this exact thing with a track car in real life and in my opinion the admin was just on a power trip considering everyone was being perfectly respectable with them and they immediately started threatening us and going for punishments. I have seen admins behave very differently with certain groups of people doing much less innocent activities and am using this as a specific example of a situation where merit and good "roleplay intentions" should overrule an already subjective take on the server guidelines.