AtlasOLimbo

I agree but also don't. A lot of the bad blood between gangs is needless and usually a result of things like lab fights. It's really not hard to come to an arrangement and it happens in the underworld a lot.

Greed, turfs, looking for a reason to shoot are the top three reasons I'm aware of.

House & property prices have been directly inflated by drug labs. This is extremely obvious when apartment value went down 100-200k when you were unable to cook in apartments, and now properties being actively sold and decreased in price due to lab nerfs. People don't seem to buy properties for their actual purpose, to roleplay in.

The idea is to try and promote roleplay by not having people sit in private labs for fulltime shift lengths every day.

The goal as far as I know is to remove private labs entirely. To be fair, private labs have been absolutely atrocious for the economy since property prices are pretty much in line with how viable cooking is. Solo crims/smaller groups need ways to make money though. This new COD lobby of an island isn't helping.

Confirmed post-update?

At the very least Weazel ads should be shifted to something apart from the chat. There's no good reason for them to be there and interfere with RP, actual chat, etc.

with garbage ads that flood my phone*

800k bro. the rich get richer

I've played both sides of this coin and I don't think this would be good unless the limit was much higher than that of gangs. PD and SD need to have at least a couple officers on duty at all times. Gangs do not. The huge numbers account for this in LEO factions.

+1! Very epic.

At the very least with /rlow it can all be logged and if reported can be punished.

Restrict it to /rlow possibly?

haters. all of you, haters.

Also allow /low and whisper while downed, pretty please.

I'm not asking for perfection and I'm sorry if it comes off their way. But as you said, things can and I believe should be better. That's what this thread is striving for.

Lock & archive this thread in favor of please. The newer thread has much more thought and effort put into it. @Ash

There's a tipping point in my opinion where keeping one's self safe due to past experience no longer outweighs allowing developers to assist and improve the server. It's obvious that whatever happened has had no long term impact on the server, no? I could be wrong. But that was before the time where I joined during peak COVID where the server had 600+ players daily.

I'm gonna try and get the easy points out of the way first. Those who even decided to click on this thread are probably already rolling their eyes to the next stadium with "Another one of these?" But bear with me. I believe these kinds of threads should be repeated and brought up again and again, especially if new points can be added to the conversation. Personally, I've put a hundred plus pounds into the server and it's extremely disheartening to see the state that the development of this server is in. Trying to get a response from Osvaldon and Paulius is like trying to get milk from a rock. And it shouldn't be this way. Osvaldon and Paulius should be active members of the community that can be reliably communicated with in some way, shape or form. I can congratulate them on their recent release of the House Robberies update, and it truly is a good update. But there's major bugs with it that render it unusable in some cases that they've shown no indication that they're even looking into. Why would someone, especially someone new with little invested into the server, stay if this is the state of development? Yes. You don't need scripts to roleplay. But simple changes, bugfixes, communicating with suggestions and bug reports, so on, isn't difficult. There's also a VALVe like obsession with jumping from one major project to another, and hardly getting any out the door. I'm going to tag them here and I'm unsure if I'll even get a response, but I might as well go for it. @Paulius@Osvaldon Why? What I truly don't understand is why this is happening. And how to prevent it in the future. It's not like this server is hemorrhaging money as a volunteer project. If you go by the discord members and say even, a thousand have the donator role. That's 100k pounds minimum. Yes, over the years the server has been running but that's an extremely low estimate. People still pay for VIP monthly. People are still paying for pets, apartments, plate changes, so on. I don't want the server to die off. I truly don't. But with the sheer resistance from the developers to people who have offered help for free, even giving entire scripts that have just not been implemented whatsoever, I want to understand from their perspective. Why? EDIT: I understand the usual canned response to this is "they're working, they're just busy." But that does not respond to very many thoughts I've put forward here. I'd like a genuine, thorough conversation on this. No shit slinging, no "PD CAUSED THIS!". Just a civil conversation.

As far as I'm aware the discretionary charges policy is both IC and OOC for SD, but the last time I read was a year ago at this point. @Osborn It gives SD players the ability to reward solid roleplay and fun interactions with lesser/modified charges. In my opinion, this is how it should be. Requiring something like unlawful assembly to be added upon any group crime is a bit ridiculous. But I also don't think this should become a PD vs SD thread. I'd like to see PD at the very least consider utilizing this policy.

I like the thread but I think the fonts/color choices could use some work. It's a bit hard on the eyes.

There's no pictures or price.

Never gonna get 700 for an apartment like this. Good luck.

I frequently roleplay to the best of my ability on a daily basis. It becomes increasingly difficult with a dwindling playerbase. "Script-oriented people" makes it sound like we shouldn't expect any script support in a video game. Especially a lighter RP server like Eclipse compared to some others where money is acquired typically through senseless grinding. If there was ways to acquire money through purely roleplay, I'd be all for it. Sadly there is no such system in place. Bit of a tangent, but. I hope you get the point!