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This is a no brainer if you ask me. Tequila-la itself has been completely empty these few years as well, like there is nothing in there at all it's just vanilla GTA empty building with no scripts or any reason for anyone to even go there.....sad.

Almost 2 years passed since I made this post and for 2 years poker has been dead.... Long gone are the days of tequila la filled with 20+ players with another 20 in queue waiting for someone to get cleaned to sit on the table, and the tables being filled day and night with players.....

Brother I appreciate this but this comment feels like it disregards so much of the discussion being had on this thread We need you guys to give us a roadmap or just something about this serious issue that the community has been passionately discussing and trying to mend (that being the insane playerbase decline, almost unanimous crim enjoyment complaints that largely contributes to this). I think it would go a loong way if there was a roadmap of incoming fixes/adjustments or even areas of focus that was regularly updated. Just crims seeing that the devs are working on this area or focusing on this would bring a lot of passion and light back to a lot of the playerbase.

The thing is I think what a lot of people are missing is that crim should be the focus due to crim pop increase being in line with a civ pop increase. Think about it, how many crims are out there just doing crim shit 24/7? Most of the "civ" activities like pier hangouts, events, burgershot etc are all populated by crims, either on downtime just hanging out or literally working there on the side. Crims help populate the civ activities just as much as the purely civ players do, and of course the crims obviously populate the crim activities which means the cops have something to do and therefore crim also populate the cops activities. In a way everything in this server needs crims to be supported (and of course crims do also need cops/civs but not nearly as much as they need crims, not to mention I can't remember the last time there was ever a genuine cop shortage, as pointed out its mainly the crims leaving and thats whats causing the server death).

And this harkens back to the idea of how RP in this server is asset driven (and for better or worse) it is not going to change. I think them adding raffles to get people to show up proves this point further and how even these RP focused events have to cater to this mentality, now it's just time for the devs to do the same thing imo. Conversely, I do think people would still come to these events if there weren't raffles but not as much, and in turn would probably be a more engaging experience if people are purely there for the fun of it. In an ideal world you'd have these events to solely cater to people wanting a fully RP focused experience while the grinders can do just that (and again not to say there doesn't have to be engaging RP involved in that either)

I agree with this sentiment from @alexalex303 that most of the player base are not into the idea of super high tier roleplay (or at least don't prioritize it), here is the truth of the matter (from admittedly the pov of a crim main): Most of the committed, loyal players, specifically career crims, have a playstyle that involves them skirting around the very tight and stringent rules (how many career crims last multiple years with a clean record?) as they try to obtain the most meta, min-max(y) way to farm money as safely as possible (aka with as little risk as possible, which in turn usually means as little RP interaction as possible). I'm sure most crims miss the era of being able to farm a ton of drugs in private labs with ease raking in hundreds of thousands with little risk. While this was a thing it didn't mean these crims didn't go out and engage with the community in other, meaningful ways. (In fact they had a reliable, comfortable money grind so it let them focus more on the RP side of things, growing their gangs, politics, doing more risky crime knowing they had a fallback stash of cash from apt cooking which means more chases/engagements for PD, and just in general hanging out with people and so much more like just purely having fun out in the world). For a lot of people Eclipse RP is not like a traditional serious RP server where people come in to tell a story with their characters that they know will die eventually or PK or whatever, this is ultimately a asset chase for a lot of people and the RP is the in between is their goals acquiring of assets. (This isn't to disregard a ton of hard worker players who are here purely for the RP, running tons of great events etc, but I'm talking a vast majority, or at least plurality of players here). I'm sure a lot of people appreciate and engage in that RP "in between", but their ultimate goal is the asset chase (which I think is perfectly fine and is what makes eclipse RP unique/special). (I've long given up on this grind myself having experienced everything I wanted but this is still the driving force for a lot of people and it absolutely was for me early in my Eclipse career) With all of this in mind, I feel like the devs go absolutely crazy hard on anytime we have a relatively easy way to grind money. I think making the asset grind so much harder, riskier, and grindier and has turned a lot of people off from the server. Let's touch on the civ side of things too. When road workers was crazy money (just great money, not economy breaking or anything and much better than it is now post-nerfs), it was sooo popular and an insanely great way to meet people (kind of filled in the void from pier dying). The reason why it was popular was because you could join the job, let someone else drive you around while you would occasionally click E to do a construction and rake in a ton of money per hour. This kind of stuff always gets stamped out in both the crim and legal side of things (and this isn't even including the absolute slaughter job the devs did to poker). Before I see people say about the new trucker job, that just proves my point, that job pays good but it is way more involved (and also way less interactive/social) than road workers (Just do a few trucker routes and tell me how much passion/energy you have, even if that job paid twice as much as it does now, compared to the simple gameplay loop of being hauled around by the dozen, joking around with and meeting new people and hitting E occasionally to make a ton of money in roadworkers). The honest truth is when there is no genuinely relax and easy gameplay loop that also encourages socializing then the server suffers for it. Why the devs do this, I have no clue, I think they are really protective of the economy (whether that be to raise value for the credit store or any other reason who knows) and maybe this is a good thing, but they can take this too far imo. The eras I mentioned above where the grind was at it's "easiest" was coincidentally probably the most popular time of the server (at least way more than nowadays). And I know the devs worked really hard on this trucker script and similar new things for crims and civs alike, but sometimes less is more. Look at how no one does ATMs due to the payout despite how cool and engaging of a mechanic it is, it's because the devs are too protective of the economy and making the asset grind harder with that abysmal payout for the risk. I think the solution to improving player count is to acknowledge what the server is, the player mentality and bring back things/gameplay loops/features back that worked well in the past, or in new innovative ways. Since ultimately we are here to play a game for fun, and it's not like a real life server, there is no harm in allowing people to make money easily (within reason) so they can focus more on actually having fun and engage in RP and I think this will go a long way in bringing the pop back up. (Personal gripe, honestly just bring back the tequila la exactly the same way it was before for gods sake, the server home page used to say "pursue a professional poker career" and now it doesn't and we all know why. Can only speak for myself when I say I lost 80 percent of my income as a crim main when tequila la went away and now poker is dead (but I am a bit bias on this last point I admit, oh and Roulette and Blackjack are nothing more than money sinks to balance economy, you don't hear of "pro" roulette/blackjack players because they are pure moneysinks for all my non-poker players about to bring that up. Without poker there is no reasonable way for crims to make the money to buy things like gas stations, supers, etc, and maybe that's why they got rid of it. This would also allow prison/stamp poker to return)

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Griffin_Harris - 10 tickets

bump, price drop

Make an offer my man

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It's been sold fellas. Also Rip BOZO @KCAJ

It's blipped now, just set it for sale to the lowest price I'd sell it for , first come first serve. (Also unlocked for easy viewing).

Yup and that's fine for those who want to make quick money, etc, there will always be people like that if poker is actually popular because people will see the massive pots being won and want a slice of the pie, but for serious poker players who are there to make money you will see people there for hours on end. It's very common for a good high preflop table to run on for hours at a time, and I found it very fun and enjoyable and I am sure others did too because it was very popular, we literally had a whole community around it. Ultimately, Poker itself is a game of patience and biding your time and playing at the right moment, and I am sure any good experienced player enjoys and appreciates that for what it is.

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Yup...that's definitely a picture of the thing I was talking about lmao. If it needs to be moved into another tab outside of RP Focus (like for weazel news) it kind of adds to my point of it just being more visual spam. I like the other idea by Ando about putting a notification on the upper top of our phone. A small blinking icon would be neat.

With all due respect, that's really not how anyone who knows how to play poker plays. What you're talking about is more in line with bingo and there were definitely a few guys who don't know how to play poker who can just go all in like that, the people that actually know how to play poker would actually play poker. (Some may just fold and wait for good pockets, others with lesser pockets going for a turn or river for trips, straights, flushes etc and so many more playstyles etc). Only the people who literally don't know how the winning hands work (like what straights, flushes, trips, fours, suits etc work) would go all in like that lol. To your other point about the script, it's not really just the UI that's the problem, but like I said rather how it plays, it's just a lot more clunky when it comes to raising and folding and seeing where the rest of the hand is at, and this is a conclusion I've come to not only from mine but by talking to several poker players. You got to see where I am coming from here, Tequila-la was literally active pretty much every day and filled to the brim with players for YEARS on end, and then suddenly the casino comes, and let's be honest the casino is definitely not even close to that level (there are some times where the casino can be popping, but generally it won't have 20 people on a random weekday just going ham on poker for several hours straight, with tables filling up every day). If the casino was even close to the level of tequila la of popularity it wouldn't be a problem for us poker players. Like I said, blackjack and roulette are not games you can win money in the long term, whereas there are several mainstay "poker" players, like myself, who would sit in tequila la hours at a time and just have a great time playing poker and making millions throughout the years, you just can't do that for blackjack and roulette. I love the RP of the server and going out to talk to people, doing crime, and legal activities alike, but a lot of time there's downtime in Eclipse RP and poker was such a great place to fill that downtime. Overall, there's no reason I feel not to bring it back to tequila-la with the classic poker script, there's no harming anyone there and it just gives people the option to enjoy poker like we always did.

I feel like it'd lead to spam which can be obtrusive to RP especially as we already have so many other things that can spam chat, but yeah thankfully not as much spam due to the tab system, and unfortunately some times crims don't always have the time to turn their phones off when shit hits the fan haha.

This is a good idea, but unfortunately in this server it wouldn't work well. This is because most people in this server tend to send a few lines of text messages, so let's say you are in a middle of a big RP scene with tons of important RP coming through chat and then you just get spammed with text messages? With your implementation the player would see a bunch of lines saying "Your phone has received a text" clogging up their RP chatbox. Sure you can scroll up to re-read chat but depending on the circumstances it can definitely mess with your RP especially in criminal activity (shootouts, chases).

I think overall the script is just too polished. It's not as casual friendly to actually whereas before you can clearly see how the hand is moving, it was very simple and clear poker script before. You start at a super small buy in 1.5k, blind 200 and a very barebones UI as well as functionality allowed people to have fun and easily play poker and easily know what they'll be able to raise next hand and how the betting works. This is not meant to bash the new poker script, I know the devs may feel this is unfair because we asked a lot for high stakes poker table, but not a whole rehash to the script. It would have been better if they kept it exactly the same, and simply increase the minimum amount of cash you need to sit down with. That's all. Another thing, this is pretty minor before you had to type out /leavetable to leave the table, and it's a lot better than accidentally pressing E and losing millions. Regardless, the new poker script as we said can stay in the casino and the old one can come back to tequila-la, so there's no harm to the devs to bring it back. Also want to thank all the support that this has gotten, like others have said it was what made poker great and tequila-la was such a fun time for all of us back in the day, hope the devs can bring it all back.