DOC Community Service

[MrDisciple]

Take DOC prisoners with a long jail time on a prison bus outside the DOC to do community service.

Benefits would be -
1) Boost Positive RP which improves individual players standards.
2) Chance to RP prison breaks.
3) Something to do other then AFK.
 

Overall would be fun for both DOC guards and Inmates. DOC still feels like an OOC punishment with restricted RP... Laundry job doesn't change that... @Chunder

Thoughts?

[Quietthecutie]

This was suggested a while back, as a sort of, drive inmates in a bus to a location to litter pick type deal.

It never went anywhere. probably because it would be a nightmare to moderate. inmates would run off constantly, crims driving by would try to get them in their cars, bystanders would gawk and talk shit, the responses would be all over the place, in extreme cases the buses would be a gang target and no actual work would get done.

Second problem, DOC would need to have enough officers online to facilitate this. think visitation. while its technically a part of DOC RP and it sometimes does happen, more often than not there are simply not enough officers online. a bus carrying say 8 inmates would require at least 4 DOC officers to be relatively secure. 4 officers who are now no longer at DOC.

Im down for the RP and i do sorely agree DOC needs more variety in activities besides running around the cell block and yard picking stuff up, but I dont think the server is currently ready for this.

[Cup]

The list of inmates who would be trusted to leave would be incredibly short i think XD

[a1ex]

As someone who's played doc for 1.5yrs I would not trust a single inmate to leave DOC unless lethal force was authorized for anyone trying to escape

Also it would lead to more attempted prison breaks which require prior to approval which presumably people would ignore given the easy opportunity to get away.

Finally it would require a decent amount of dev work as the current system doesn't allow anyone to leave DOC unless they are unprisoned which has to be done by admin staff otherwise they are automatically tped back when they try and leave.

[MrDisciple]

@Quietthecutie @Cup @a1ex 

You could take 5 guards and 3 inmates. Notify SD/PD for more patrols in the area. Take them out for 30 minuets to some RP. Easily manageable.

Un-Prison command should be granted to DOC faction members or at least the Warden. (Couple mins dev work.) OR get rid of the OOC restriction on leaving. 

I think there's this weird OOC tone that prisoners escaping is somehow a bad thing. It only creates more RP and fun for all parties. DOC could join PD on search parties ext... 

 

This would be a change from what is currently really boring

[skeletee]

prison breaks need approval from snr staff, so just maintain this as a standard. 

it is also almost never worth escaping prison anyway bc i understand that u'll just be wanted until you're caught and taken to doc again w more charges, so escaping doc is essentially just for rp purposes regardless of consequences.

this is just from the pov of someone who is not that familiar with the doc ecosystem and rulebreaks that happen in doc at the mo, but i would personally enjoy this type of rp.

Edited September 4, 2024 by skeletee

[Quietthecutie]

2 hours ago, MrDisciple said:

@Quietthecutie @Cup @a1ex 

You could take 5 guards and 3 inmates. Notify SD/PD for more patrols in the area. Take them out for 30 minuets to some RP. Easily manageable.

Un-Prison command should be granted to DOC faction members or at least the Warden. (Couple mins dev work.) OR get rid of the OOC restriction on leaving. 

I think there's this weird OOC tone that prisoners escaping is somehow a bad thing. It only creates more RP and fun for all parties. DOC could join PD on search parties ext... 

 

This would be a change from what is currently really boring

Its not an OOC tone, Prison breaks do happen and they can be quite fun. I believe one happened quite recently there were posters up everywhere, but they require ALOT of RP prepwork and Admin approval. this isnt just because of script limitations either its kind of core to how ic crime and punishment works.

Your reaction to going to DOC should never be "oh boy now the fellas can try to spring me." DOC is the ic consequence of committing crime. The reason admin approval is required for the altRP of prison break is because its something that should be super rare, only committed when DOC have enough guards to sufficiently react to it, and only when staff deem enough prepRP has went into it. Regular bus trips for inmates to ostensively work but in reality are just going to look for the first chance to run are not it.

Particularly seeing as most inmates will keep sprinting even with a gun trained on them, basically ruleplaying the scenario because they know DM rules mean the guard cant actually fire anything but a taser. it would be a shitshow.
 

To resummarise, I agree that DOC is stale and more activites should be added to make it more fun, but those activities should remain within DOC, not being a chance to leave DOC. 

Edited September 4, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[a1ex]

10 hours ago, MrDisciple said:

I think there's this weird OOC tone that prisoners escaping is somehow a bad thing. It only creates more RP and fun for all parties. DOC could join PD on search parties ext... 

I'm not saying that overall its a bad thing since they are very fun when they do happen, however they do need to be done right and have a lot of rp/reasoning surrounding the breakout rather than just running off as soon as they're taken outside knowing as quiet said they can't be shot due to the guard not having DM rights. If this was to be implemented the system would be abused and it would lead to many breakouts without admin approval, especially given a lot of peoples track records when it comes to following rules as soon as they get locked up. 

I do agree more things need to be added for inmates whilst they are inside but those things take time and a large amount of discussion both from an OOC and IC standpoint. Personally I think more things need to be added inside of the prison with script support before we can move to do things outside of there.

[Teenyinnit]

i've done community service? I washed Cars and cut the grass whilst on Parole... it's already a thing no?