Bring back private labs

[Tuco666]

I don't know what was the reason for removing the private labs (probably to promote RP), but I am feeling that was a bad decision. Not everyone wants to join a gang to be able to cook, even in real life, some criminals are not affiliated with anyone, and trust me, they dont make money by breaking ATMs. I understand you want to promote RP, but 75% of reports are made because DM's happen at the public labs. Untill now, solo criminals cooked drugs and they made RP with the gangs, being able to sell their drugs and have the opportunity to ask for an import, so I don't really know how this decision it's promoting RP (we assume that was the reason behind the decision). Another RP opportunity that was taken away was to find one or two guys that would agree to cook so you would make the necessary investments for two RVs and make them cook for you so they can get some money for their time.

Firstly, I'll mention what you need to cook in a private lab and what are the risks:

Things you need: 

• RV ( because cooking in a yard it's not viable since everyone can see you through the walls with /panim binoculars );
• Drug tables;
• Ventilator;
• Protection (heavy weapons);
• Good spot for RV.

 

Risks:

• Blowing up - I've been cooking for few months and I've seen sometimes tables are heating up randomly so you have to constantly check them;
• Getting robbed / caught - You need a good spot that it's usually very hard to find;

The total investment in equipment is around 250.000$ or even more.

For example, I wanna cook 70x Cocaine.

• 70x Sulfuric Acid + 70x Powdered Lime = 14.000$
• 1 hour and 22 minutes to literally cook the product;
• ~20 minutes to fill the water bottles;
• ~20 minutes to set up the tables and transport them to the RV;

The total time invested to make 70x Cocaine is 2 hours and the total invested in ingredients is 14.000$;

70x Cocaine x 750$ / piece = 52.500$ - 14.000$= 38.500$ profit / cooking session.

I've seen someone saying private cooking was too profitable, which in my opinion is not true. Taking in consideration all the risks of getting robbed or caught or blown up and losing everything, maybe not even being able to cover the investment, I don't see how this is too profitable since you can make close to that amount of money if you work at a freelance job. It was just an activity some enjoyed some didn't even bother to do it, but it wasn't profitable.

If I am a farmer, I make ~5.000$-6.000$ every 20 minutes, that means in 2 hours I'll make ~30.000$. That's a difference of 8.500$. So, considering all the investments made / risks taken, I make with 8.500$ more than a farmer, do you still consider cooking is too profitable ?

Some will say to pay gangs for protection, I doubt that would work out since they can just cook for themselves and make more money or it wouldn't even be profitable for you to pay a gang to stay with you in a lab with heavy weapons probably.

I am looking forward to hear your opinions on this, but I would really love to see private labs coming back.

 

Edited August 7, 2024 by Tuco666

[Eradon]

+1 bring back the private labs

[Sigma]

Id say private labs weren't as popular since the major changes that were made to them, but with them being totally gone now, I definitely feel there needs to be a few alterations made to drugs. With labs likely to be more populated than before, possibly bump up prices for drugs? 

Realistically now, private labs were so ineffective there was really no reason in keeping them after the changes made as they aren't worth it. 

Possibly bump up base prices of all drugs, change rate of which drugs are produced in labs now, or just something like increasing number of active labs.

 

Edited August 7, 2024 by Payn

[Tuco666]

23 minutes ago, Payn said:

Id say private labs weren't as popular since the major changes that were made to them, but with them being totally gone now, I definitely feel there needs to be a few alterations made to drugs. With labs likely to be more populated than before, possibly bump up prices for drugs? 

Realistically now, private labs were so ineffective there was really no reason in keeping them after the changes made as they aren't worth it. 

Possibly bump up base prices of all drugs, change rate of which drugs are produced in labs now, or just something like increasing number of active labs.

 

If they weren't as popular, what's the problem with them still being in the game ? I know some people preferred to cook privately (example me) and for a solo that's a nice way to provide some value to gangs by selling your drugs to them. If they buff public labs, they do it for the gangs, not for solos, That's why I am saying that the private labs should still exist so you give solo players a chance to actually do something.

Edited August 7, 2024 by Tuco666

[Bala]

They're gone and they're not going to come back, I don't think.

Will be a lot of new locations soon, to cook drugs however so see what comes from that.

[Sigma]

18 minutes ago, Bala said:

They're gone and they're not going to come back, I don't think.

Will be a lot of new locations soon, to cook drugs however so see what comes from that.

Hello there, plz leak location
 

[Ritchie Stones]

Its crazy how a negative complain gets more attention compared to my discusion i pit up which comes with an actual suggestion….. please read my idea in the discusion 

 

[lupicek]

8 hours ago, Tuco666 said:

I don't know what was the reason for removing the private labs (probably to promote RP), but I am feeling that was a bad decision. Not everyone wants to join a gang to be able to cook, even in real life, some criminals are not affiliated with anyone, and trust me, they dont make money by breaking ATMs. I understand you want to promote RP, but 75% of reports are made because DM's happen at the public labs. Untill now, solo criminals cooked drugs and they made RP with the gangs, being able to sell their drugs and have the opportunity to ask for an import, so I don't really know how this decision it's promoting RP (we assume that was the reason behind the decision). Another RP opportunity that was taken away was to find one or two guys that would agree to cook so you would make the necessary investments for two RVs and make them cook for you so they can get some money for their time.

Firstly, I'll mention what you need to cook in a private lab and what are the risks:

Things you need: 

• RV ( because cooking in a yard it's not viable since everyone can see you through the walls with /panim binoculars );
• Drug tables;
• Ventilator;
• Protection (heavy weapons);
• Good spot for RV.

 

Risks:

• Blowing up - I've been cooking for few months and I've seen sometimes tables are heating up randomly so you have to constantly check them;
• Getting robbed / caught - You need a good spot that it's usually very hard to find;

The total investment in equipment is around 250.000$ or even more.

For example, I wanna cook 70x Cocaine.

• 70x Sulfuric Acid + 70x Powdered Lime = 14.000$
• 1 hour and 22 minutes to literally cook the product;
• ~20 minutes to fill the water bottles;
• ~20 minutes to set up the tables and transport them to the RV;

The total time invested to make 70x Cocaine is 2 hours and the total invested in ingredients is 14.000$;

70x Cocaine x 750$ / piece = 52.500$ - 14.000$= 38.500$ profit / cooking session.

I've seen someone saying private cooking was too profitable, which in my opinion is not true. Taking in consideration all the risks of getting robbed or caught or blown up and losing everything, maybe not even being able to cover the investment, I don't see how this is too profitable since you can make close to that amount of money if you work at a freelance job. It was just an activity some enjoyed some didn't even bother to do it, but it wasn't profitable.

If I am a farmer, I make ~5.000$-6.000$ every 20 minutes, that means in 2 hours I'll make ~30.000$. That's a difference of 8.500$. So, considering all the investments made / risks taken, I make with 8.500$ more than a farmer, do you still consider cooking is too profitable ?

Some will say to pay gangs for protection, I doubt that would work out since they can just cook for themselves and make more money or it wouldn't even be profitable for you to pay a gang to stay with you in a lab with heavy weapons probably.

I am looking forward to hear your opinions on this, but I would really love to see private labs coming back.

 

+ 1 I really love all the points you said and big up for the time spent to take it into details... I agree with the point of solo players not being able to cook privately anymore (fot example we as a gang had 2 guys, that were not in our gang and were just selling us the drugs... we would take these drugs.. sell it to gang with cartel connection and in return we provided these two guys with weapons etc. from drops)... 

I saw people saying: "so just make deal with the gang holding the lab to let you cook"... In my opinion... anyone that is solo or with a smaller gang knows this is not an option lately in labs... its either u get robbed or you are lucky enough to have time to sit on your bike and drive away

With private labs now being gone.. I think the only solution right now would be make more active labs at once, so people can cook on more labs and have a slightly lower risk of getting robbed.

@Bala said that there are more locations coming where u could be cooking drugs, by me its great to have more of them... but maybe it would be nice to add these locations in same patch where you take away the private cooking... its not very optimal to take away some option from players to make money and come up with a new one after a while... leaving players that are mainly cooking drugs privately without income

[Ritchie Stones]

4 hours ago, lupicek said:

+ 1 I really love all the points you said and big up for the time spent to take it into details... I agree with the point of solo players not being able to cook privately anymore (fot example we as a gang had 2 guys, that were not in our gang and were just selling us the drugs... we would take these drugs.. sell it to gang with cartel connection and in return we provided these two guys with weapons etc. from drops)... 

I saw people saying: "so just make deal with the gang holding the lab to let you cook"... In my opinion... anyone that is solo or with a smaller gang knows this is not an option lately in labs... its either u get robbed or you are lucky enough to have time to sit on your bike and drive away

With private labs now being gone.. I think the only solution right now would be make more active labs at once, so people can cook on more labs and have a slightly lower risk of getting robbed.

@Bala said that there are more locations coming where u could be cooking drugs, by me its great to have more of them... but maybe it would be nice to add these locations in same patch where you take away the private cooking... its not very optimal to take away some option from players to make money and come up with a new one after a while... leaving players that are mainly cooking drugs privately without income

Lol… it was part of the plan, look at the logs in discord, they added 30 locations, for labs to become

[Quietthecutie]

Wont happen lads.

As much as i quite enjoyed private labs too unfortunately they do not fit in with the devs vision for the server.

The brief explanation is that because private labs happen in a secure, seperate instance where unless you epically fuck up no one can interrupt you, they were bad for the server as up to 2 thirds of crims would be privately cooking at any time. Meaning they might as well not be playing as far as server activity went.

RVs JUST about got a pass on this because they have to be out on the map. Also they were quite new when the change happened and gave them some agency. That plus they are quite small and you cant fit many tables inside them.

All that said i dont think we will ever see the return of old private labs and honestly,  after taking some time to think it over, im fine with that.

I still think SOMETHING should have been added on the crim side to fill the gap left by removing private labs. Some new activity. That hasnt happened yet but to be clear i dont just wanna revert the removal. I want something new and interactive to fill the sizable void. Not just more public labs.

Edited August 10, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[Ritchie Stones]

3 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Wont happen lads.

As much as i quite enjoyed private labs too unfortunately they do not fit in with the devs vision for the server.

The brief explanation is that because private labs happen in a secure, seperate instance where unless you epically fuck up no one can interrupt you, they were bad for the server as up to 2 thirds of crims would be privately cooking at any time. Meaning they might as well not be playing as far as server activity went.

RVs JUST about got a pass on this because they have to be out on the map. Also they were quite new when the change happened and gave them some agency. That plus they are quite small and you cant fit many tables inside them.

All that said i dont think we will ever see the return of old private labs and honestly,  after taking some time to think it over, im fine with that.

I still think SOMETHING should have been added on the crim side to fill the gap left by removing private labs. Some new activity. That hasnt happened yet but to be clear i dont just wanna revert the removal. I want something new and interactive to fill the sizable void. Not just more public labs.

i think and "hope" that with so many labs being added, they might implement to be able to plant weedplants overall in the map in the open  (not private) and hopefully not with a whole set up like a chop....
but think about it...they going to have 4 labs with 12 plants at best mostly, to then  have +30 labs..... that just doesn't do the math.

plus imagine the massive BOOM in rp interaction, gangs will be scouting everywhere to find anyone who is planting. that in itself is big rp 
and then ALL those people will have to go to the labs to make the final product. so it will be crouded asf. that's another massive opportunity for rp
because EVERYONE WIL DO IT, its going to be bigger than the boom of the private labs.

+ this will stimulate selling plants person to person, because some people just want to cook some product and not farm it.
how freaking exciting does this idea look like.

i think, but mostly I HOPE that this will be implemented and don't miss out on this genius idea
or else... we will riot !!! free weed !! XDXD

[lupicek]

15 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said:

i think and "hope" that with so many labs being added, they might implement to be able to plant weedplants overall in the map in the open  (not private) and hopefully not with a whole set up like a chop....
but think about it...they going to have 4 labs with 12 plants at best mostly, to then  have +30 labs..... that just doesn't do the math.

plus imagine the massive BOOM in rp interaction, gangs will be scouting everywhere to find anyone who is planting. that in itself is big rp 
and then ALL those people will have to go to the labs to make the final product. so it will be crouded asf. that's another massive opportunity for rp
because EVERYONE WIL DO IT, its going to be bigger than the boom of the private labs.

+ this will stimulate selling plants person to person, because some people just want to cook some product and not farm it.
how freaking exciting does this idea look like.

i think, but mostly I HOPE that this will be implemented and don't miss out on this genius idea
or else... we will riot !!! free weed !! XDXD

Its not +30 labs, staff has hadded 30 interiors, you can try to find them IC and you will see that not all of them are going to be labs

[Sigma]

Against private labs for the money aspect, however if it was implemented back to where there was a limit of say 20 tables for player owned labs, as well as the drugs produced from private labs being lower grade therefore would eliminate concerns over economy but it would helps gangs produce drugs for turfs, though interaction decreased 

[Ritchie Stones]

1 hour ago, Payn said:

Against private labs for the money aspect, however if it was implemented back to where there was a limit of say 20 tables for player owned labs, as well as the drugs produced from private labs being lower grade therefore would eliminate concerns over economy but it would helps gangs produce drugs for turfs, though interaction decreased 

but thats not the reason why it was taken away, the reason is people only cooking in their places with no interaction with other players, even if they would bring it back now with limits it would mean that people would spend even more time inside to make the same amount of money they did before. so that's actually counterproductive 

[Sigma]

21 minutes ago, Ritchie Stones said:

but thats not the reason why it was taken away, the reason is people only cooking in their places with no interaction with other players, even if they would bring it back now with limits it would mean that people would spend even more time inside to make the same amount of money they did before. so that's actually counterproductive 

I guess it’s just hard because everything very asset focused that’s all, and you can’t change that mentality this far into server lifespan.

 

Asset focused isn’t a bad thing, it’s just how the server is i guess but that idea was just off top of my head really, at the end of the day private labs will never return, no matter how hard anyone tries

Hopefully it does populate public labs a lot now for more roleplay in them areas

[Quietthecutie]

Ultimately the entire server is asset focused. Its a rare day indeed when someone logs on not to be paid for something or other. its how 99% of players define their agency, again, not a bad thing its just how the server works.

but again i feel like just adding more public labs is not the way to go. because not everyone wants to just roll labs. its catered to only one specific type of player, namely...clappers. i.e people looking for PVP.

there should be more activities like chopping or house robberies which are not clapper focused. that would add variety which is sorely needed.

[Sigma]

1 hour ago, Quietthecutie said:

but again i feel like just adding more public labs is not the way to go. because not everyone wants to just roll labs. its catered to only one specific type of player, namely...clappers. i.e people looking for PVP.

Labs arent just clappers, it is for roleplaying the creation of drugs and using them to either make money, fuel your turfs or using them drugs to RP with other gangs. It is evident that you have the misconception that the only reason for labs is for people to have a place to shoot. Of course there are shootouts that happen in public labs, this does not mean they are clapper HQ.

Past few days I have seen so much more people out in the city, around the new labs and its a lot more entertaining than everywhere being empty. There is more than enough space for people to spread out a little bit, and if someone interrupts then that is just the consequences that comes with it. New labs have been needed for so long, because prior to these new ones coming in, its just repetitive if youre doing the same things in the same places. 

 

More public lab = more active server because people are outside enjoying the fresh air of Los Santos!!!!

[Quietthecutie]

10 minutes ago, Payn said:

Labs arent just clappers, it is for roleplaying the creation of drugs and using them to either make money, fuel your turfs or using them drugs to RP with other gangs. It is evident that you have the misconception that the only reason for labs is for people to have a place to shoot. Of course there are shootouts that happen in public labs, this does not mean they are clapper HQ.

Past few days I have seen so much more people out in the city, around the new labs and its a lot more entertaining than everywhere being empty. There is more than enough space for people to spread out a little bit, and if someone interrupts then that is just the consequences that comes with it. New labs have been needed for so long, because prior to these new ones coming in, its just repetitive if youre doing the same things in the same places. 

 

More public lab = more active server because people are outside enjoying the fresh air of Los Santos!!!!

Whilst I appreciate your position I disagree. Public labs are and have always been PvP hotspots. ultimately one group of allies holds one until another shows up able to take it off their hands or they abandon it. and all the activities around that are scouting, positioning and communicating around that. they are inherently built around PvP. Its that simple.

The fresh air of los santos can be sampled by crims in multiple different ways not built around this system which whilst some people like, others do not. thats what im asking for. Realistic alternatives.

Edited August 11, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[Sigma]

Just now, Quietthecutie said:

Whilst I appreciate your position I disagree. Public labs are and have always been PvP hotspots. ultimately one group of allies holds one until another shows up able to take it off their hands. and all the activities around that are scouting, positioning and communicating around that. they are inherently built around PvP. Its that simple.

The fresh air of los santos can be sampled by crims in multiple different ways not built around this system which whilst some people like, others do not. thats what im asking for. Realistic alternatives.

This is just the way it works tbh. Adaptation  is a good skill, and if they are and always have been PvP hotspots, im sure people have gotten used to that by now.

Whilst yeah, PvP happens a lot at labs, there is reason for it to do so. Its not like you queue into a TDM lobby, the RP surrounding that area leads to that outcome for viable reasons.

[Ritchie Stones]

12 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Ultimately the entire server is asset focused. Its a rare day indeed when someone logs on not to be paid for something or other. its how 99% of players define their agency, again, not a bad thing its just how the server works.

but again i feel like just adding more public labs is not the way to go. because not everyone wants to just roll labs. its catered to only one specific type of player, namely...clappers. i.e people looking for PVP.

there should be more activities like chopping or house robberies which are not clapper focused. that would add variety which is sorely needed.

THANK YOU for saying that, "its catered to only one specific type of player, namely...clappers. i.e people looking for PVP"
because its true, and its worse than that, its to express their internal anger on other people as well, I stay away from those labs just because of its toxicity.
it just doesn't feel right, if you rob me just take my stuff, but don't make it a humiliation show