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Nah. If anything, they should be longer. Detective RP is almost non-existent because who would spend their time investigating a battery to only charge the crim for less than an hour? lmao. Stop evading every time you run into cops if you don't want lengthy prison time.

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LAPD cops have armor plates inside their shirt. Deployed SWAT gets tactical external vest. Boosted vehicles... yeah sure. I think that should be limited to the Central Traffic Division. That's reportable, LOL.

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lol. That's not how it works. Good luck with suggesting that.

Yeah, that's false. I've been an advocate against a few things PD does that, in my opinion, unrealistically portrays a police department in the US, like shooting tires, wearing masks to gunfights or not roleplaying small things. And yes, I know, members of PD are supposed to here to enjoy police roleplay and provide quality roleplay to other players in the community, not always aiming to win in every situation. Your comments are pretty useless because the only thing you do is blabbing something already mentioned and not detailing what you actually suggest. Nonetheless, I wish you best of luck in "nerfing PD." Have a good night

Actually, I do. And as a member of the community, I think I am entitled to give an opinion to this discussion. I am not sure how you perceive me as 'trolling' when I was actually providing my real stance on the topic. Huh? You better off providing actual productive responses to my feedback or just don't derail this topic. Do you know what RP is? Not everything goes your way. Especially if you go to a random cop and sing random stuff, a mad IRL cop would most likely say the same thing. You cannot just say people don't RP when things don't go your way. Not only that, but you also think RP is about winning gunfights and looting guns. You should not be shooting your way out of everything because that's a pretty terrible standard. Remember that being a criminal is hard against cops. You calling PD 'overpowered' is quite subjective and does not make any sense. Cause I'm sure if you point why PD is 'overpowered', there'd be a valid argument against it.

lol. "Blasting away the RP". Letting criminals run away with guns in hand and fleeing in a car, endangering the public after holding someone hostage is not "the RP." Reread what I said. If you let a hostage go and you're not surrendering, you're done. Letting you go means putting the public in danger by initiating unnecessary car chases. It's literally how it most likely goes in US. And god knows what else you are going to do. Car chase is something that should be avoided at all costs. If that is what "RP" is to you, then you should really consider your roleplay standard on the server. And as for the rest in the original topic, I do not have any comments or oppositions to reducing cost or whatever. I could not care less. I am merely pointing out the OP's wording that suggests PD supposedly doing something wrong with the way they respond to robberies. They're doing as best as possible.

Yeah, it's a video game, why can't I just shoot everyone I see on sight? This is a roleplay community with certain standards to be upheld. This fictional map of Los Santos, San Andreas is made known to be based on Los Angeles, California, United States —which is where we portray and take inspirations from. Yeah, not really, no. If you actually checked, I made a few comments against PD shooting tires on suspect's vehicle where lethal force (against the suspect himself) is not lawful because that is also not how it works in the US. I give my opinions based on what I think is reasonable and acceptable to the term of "roleplay."

Yeah. Maybe because banks are not supposed to be robbed often. You should not try unless you have a really good plan. And also, yes, you are going to get blasted the moment you try to flee when the hostage is clear because that is how it works in the United States. Per United States case law Tennessee v. Garner, lethal force can be used to stop a fleeing suspect if there is a probable cause that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or severe injuries. You are an armed criminal who has just aimed a gun at someone's head. Who knows what else you are capable of? If you want a PD that lets you get in your car and flee with your friends while you have a handgun in your hand, maybe you should go find a FiveM server.

Can't wait to become a mall rat.

First of all, there is rarely an occasion where more than 5 police cars are required in a vehicle pursuit. Usually the supervisor will advise additional responding units to go for interceptions (clear out surrounding roads of where the pursuit line is coming) or deploying spikes if authorized. Secondly, with emergency lights on, cops are exempted from traffic laws when responding to an emergency or pursuing a suspect. And thirdly—to quote "leaping and jumping around on the street, doing the exact same things as the criminal they're chasing are doing. It's called reckless operation when civilians do it...", the issue here is a game limitation. With the unrealistic handling of vehicles in GTA V, I am not sure how else you expect chases to be. If you are using this argument against cops, it should also apply to criminals that it would be "NRP" to go 100+ mph in downtown Los Santos, which is based on the City of Los Angeles, a city with traffic congestions and pedestrians around.

That's how it works, and you can't change it. Equipment is issued by the department. Such a funny idea to think police should buy their own patrol cars. Nah. Off-duty officers especially SWAT get paged all the time when they are needed. Sure. This one makes sense. Nah. It's about right. What about RP? Before you comment on PD's roleplay, look at criminal's first. PD is a reactive faction. If crims don't use play-to-win meta and just roleplay realistically, we would be able to put more emphasis on RP quality, character development and department portrayal.

Criminals don't need teamspeak.

+1 Taking a vehicle out of the impound lot should not require an LEO player to manually complete it. It is indeed a big waste of time and does not really provide any productive roleplay. Additionally, there are RPly staff at an impound lot to take your documents and fees, etc ; it is not a cop's job.

Why would PD need fast vehicles if it were not for criminals' poor character portrayals? What kind of criminals drive super and exotic cars? Even if you are in a crime organization, you would not really be drifting sport cars around in the city. Most of the times, a criminal is poor, that is why they are a criminal. So they should correctly portray their character doing so, and not just buy the fastest car with the play-to-win mentality to escape from cops. If it wasn't for the meta as mentioned, PD would not need sport vehicles. Secondly, the Los Angeles Police Department, which is the police department in a city we are portraying, has at least two helicopters up at a time for 20 hours a day. They are not only for emergency responses, but are a part of routine patrol. So do not be surprised when there is a helicopter while you are escaping from police. An airship is available at the officers' disposal. Every time there is a pursuit, they request 'backup and airship'. If you are good enough, you can escape from police even if there is an air unit. Having been a part of the Air Support Division of multiple roleplay servers, I can say that I've lost people before, even those driving the slowest car.

Well, I've seen multiple occasions of unlawful use of force against inmates that seem to be normalized in prison like when a fist-fight fight breaks out, for instance, or when there is no reason at all as the original poster stated. Instead of using less lethal options like batons and tasers, shotguns were used. If the usage of less-lethal shotgun would be preferred, then the script should be added accordingly. PD and SD have explicitly stated in their faction pages that they aim to portray their counterparts, the LAPD and LASD. PD has put a lot of emphasis in doing so as far as I know. SADOC should do the same to a certain extent. By portraying, I don't mean everything has to exactly be 1:1, but general aspects of CDCR should be taken into the faction's lore and everyday roleplay.

Yeah, this was not a good update, lol. Why can't I buy foods can 24/7s?

This is definitely a roleplay quality concern from the faction. SADOC does not correctly portray the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. Look at their pinky hairstyles, lol. Which department would allow that? And correctional guards do not carry shotguns around, even less lethal. Also, as far as I'm concerned, correctional guards do not really provide any good roleplay to the inmates. They only do their jobs robotically —they take inmates, incarcerating them and done, nothing else—. Also, lethal shotguns against suspects? How is that not changed yet? They don't really provide any passive roleplay, conversations or interactions with an inmate like a real life guard probably would. Additionally, they also do unrealistic events like go-kart or parade (lol, what). Overall, I think the roleplay quality should be improved.

Patrol resources management is an IC issue. Maybe it is because you are the only one committing a crime at a specific period of time, so all available cops just respond to the call. If there is another armed robbery in progress, then definitely the patrol watch commander should allocate resources more efficiently and ensure there is a response to them.

Shooting tires is an invalid police tactics in the United States due to risks of injuring civilians or damaging properties. LSPD and LSSD have stated in their faction pages that they aim to portray their counterparts, the Los Angeles Police and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Departments, so they should change the policy. This is something that I think Legal Faction Management should deal with +1

@Bala This discussion is not about PD, but it's about PD. You say the server should, and I quote; "Work with the criminal role-players to amend the rules and expectations of criminals in the server, in a way that both encourages roleplay but also, a certain amount of action in the server." as if illegal roleplayers on this server are the ones at fault for the underlying PVP problems when PD/SD mostly contribute towards it. Again, I did and still see a lot of efforts from some staff officers in improving the roleplay quality, but my point still stands. When I was trying to roleplay a rollover realistically during a pursuit, a training officer told me that "no one cares, and they will be pissed of. OOC reputation is as important as IC reputation". I can give you at least 3 more examples to show how most LSPD faction members on this server just want to shoot and chase criminals rather than roleplaying or developing their characters. You know this if you truly have 15 years of roleplay experience. My actions the day I resigned do not mean anything because it was all IC, and I left the faction in good OOC terms. I frankly don't care what you think of me as a person because that is irrelevant. I was merely giving my opinion to the issues of the server. I may have not been involved in roleplay communities for as long as 15 years like you, but law enforcement roleplay is my thing. I do not have to be in the faction to see how PVP oriented PD/SD are. You don't have to be ignorant to this issue. You were right I wanted to be apart of this community, which is why I even submitted a new application to the faction. But after learning some truths about this community, I'd rather not, so I thought I might as well give an honest feedback about PD to other criminal roleplayers out there. Good luck trying to improve the community. I also did see a lot of efforts from you, but maybe you should recognize your own issues as well.

Eclipse RP is a PVP server with some roleplay aspects. 60% RP, 40% PVP. If server management really wants to increase the roleplay standards, they should strictly enforce portrayals. Character Portrayals : Characters, simply, should make sense, think like as if it was in real life. A lot of poor examples in LSPD includes a 25 years old Police Cadet who owns 2 exotic sport cars, a field training officer who is also a mechanic at LSC at the same time, wow! And a command/staff officer who owns a whole ass corporation. Not only in LSPD though, there is quite a lot more of other examples. Gang Portrayals : Lore should be based on gangs in Los Angeles County. As of now, it seems like people can create whatever gang they want, buy the fastest cars to maximize their PVP experience rather than finding something fitting for their character. Map Portrayal : Los Santos is Los Angeles. San Andreas is California. Why do I see random weird decorations and Spanish flags around the map? Although I called out some people in LSPD faction, I have sheer amount of respect for their leadership (some staff officers), I really do. I can see that some of them are really experienced in roleplay. And although I'm not in the faction anymore, I can notice their efforts in improving the roleplay quality. If you ask me? Changes should start with legal factions. They are the core of the server. If the roleplay standards from legal factions are not that good, not much can be expected from illegal RPers either.

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