RJThompson

again, i didnt say its DM. i say its not fun for criminals to get blasted without chance of escape, again im NOT saying they are doing anything wrong. its simply a suggestion that would make the server more fun for crims when cops turn up to 95% of shootouts. just seems everyone is getting defensive and giving reasons why its okay to shoot on sight rather then understanding its not fun for crims and remember its only a game to have fun on and if a player base says something is unfun. hopefully people can come to understanding!

i COMPLETELY agree, artificial rp as you said is forced upon us. this whole thread was to see both sides as iv only had my cop alt for 2 months now, maybe im completely wrong in suggesting more fun rp rather then just shooting at crim after they have concluded their shootout. im just here to get opinions!

Okay, lets use the logic "you cant go to rival gang hqs because rply there would be loads of gang members there" or "you cant rob someone in a public place because rply theres people from the public there". why is that not used when a cop shoots at everything in the proximity of a shootout because rply there would be loads of people in the area. again it seems all the cops that replied doesn't experience this and are completely bias and instead of seeing it from other peoples point of view see it as "you commit crime, you get blasted even if we dont see you commit then crime. if your in the area your getting smoked". i didnt say they are anything like clappers. but..... think we all remember alistair carter straight dm'ing me because i edged away from him, he shot because he wanted to shoot. he shot because he could, again i wont paint that same image on every cop. or even 98% of cops. but its the point. This wasnt meant to be a argument, it was meant to be a thing that i was hopefully seeing to get implemented because its not fun to finish a shoot out and get silently smoked by cops. waste a hour on medical and getting into a tarv and getting transported and 3 hours in jail. because again, remember this is a game, we all just wanna have fun. id rather put my hands up, get into the car and start my sentence. Also, its very fun rp for cops to shoot at crims, defo in these situations. and im NOT SAYING YOUR DOING ANYTHING WRONG. but again, this was a suggestion to make this fun for both parties. because you silently mowing everyone down is fun for you. but if you wanna make it so everyone "leave the rp situation happy" like it states on the faction, then mowing them down aint gonna make them leave the situation happy, its a GTA server. all im asking is a simple "LSPD or LSSD PUT YOUR WEAPONS DOWN OR YOU WILL BE NEAUTRALIZED" and it would make a cool stand off and youd probably get a fun rp situation out of it!

Indeed, my ass deserved to get smoked. as said in my original post. a friend in that fight didnt fire a bullet, yes he was in gang affiliated clothing. but to ASSUME he shot and gun him down isnt exactly fair and you saying it is, is clear bias towards your main rp character. to not give him a chance to escape and to mow him down sounds like a win-mentality brother. again this isnt a argument this is just me seeing things from a different perspective and im not saying what anyone did in either situation is wrong or breaking server/faction rules!

Again, the situation was fine. the point i was making was SD shooting at you and hitting you because they dont make sure who they are shooting are who they are supposed to shoot. and thats my only point, again i cant stress this enough. shooting people you witness or have witnessed shoot people mins before it perfectly okay! but atleast make sure who your shooting is not your fellow LEO or someone who is just in the area!

because again, in these situations, they dont JUST shoot at the dude who committed a violent felony. they shoot at everything in the vicinity of the shootout. i specifically said "this ISNT aimed at the cops witnessing and shooting when shots are still fired and they can assure the people they are shooting, did indeed shoot"

Hey i think this has needed to be brought up for awhile now, because its beginning to become LEO can deathmatch any criminal in the area of a gun fight. Again this isn't aimed at any department in general, its not to make this into a argument and id hope it gets archived if a argument comes up hopefully. Id like to throw a few situations out there that iv experienced recently 1. Me and 2 friends were rolling when we fought empire at Boat lab, it went into the city and shots were fired and we was looting the people we killed when Jessica_Nash was shooting us(understandable as a friend shot towards her thinking she was empire) but then SD pull up as if they are a gang, ram our vehicle so we cant leave and shoots and injures us and then shoots Jessica_Nash and gets into a fire fight with her... which shows the extent of how they just wanna shoot anything that walks near a "shots fired" 2. We was fighting OTF at quarry and we killed them, we looted and tried to leave when SD hopped out shot everyone in the area when someone was there that didn't even shoot. and just shot anything that walked when I know we didn't even aim or shoot at them. when is that ever realistic? show me when gang shootout breaks out, and then when its gone silent that cops pull up and shoot all the gang members because they have guns on them. Ways we can make this better is: Give demands to drop weapons, by megaphone or shouting. or to at least give a chance for the criminal to surrender and have the chance to rp or give fair chance to both parties. because the getting injured and going md sometimes takes up to 30 mins to a hour. which is (if someone had plat VIP) half the sentence. which is longed out. (again that doesn't happen every time or often but still happens) Again this aint a dig at anyone, purely a way to make it more fun for criminals because even if we fight in the corner of the map. cops still show up and they will still shoot you even if your in a car driving away from a shot fired scene. i play both sides and even i think its excessive and not realistic. this doesn't apply to cops pulling up to a situation where active shots are fired and gunfight is still ongoing and they need to injure to preserve lives. hope everyone that reads this understands and doesn't turn into a crim vs cop debate....

MASSIVE +1, this idea is sick if well implemented. its something new for gangs and a proper war would be amazing for this server

1. i completely agree, no risk all reward for PD/SD raiding labs. lose nothing and gain fun conflict rp. but lately with the amount of crims snitching and gangs having CI's. this influx of PD/SD raiding labs have been 2-3 labs getting shut down next to every single day(with only 5 open at a time). 2. they are pushing into a hostile drug lab, of course they are gonna have guns drawn. i do not agree with you thinking they are a "clap crew". they are simply raiding a drug lab that is KNOWN to have people heavily armed with armour so i understand why they would show such aggression for authority and before they raid the lab you hear clear sirens everytime so you know its PD/SD lets be real. 3. what i do agree with also is the fact they refuse to shut labs that are easy for them to get fun out of, like plane scrap etc because they KNOW they will raid it 2-3 times a day and its promised fun for them. but very easy way to combat this, is do not hold that lab when you yourself know cops will turn up. its very easy man, hold the other labs that have much less chance of SD/PD raiding. if your writing this then you know they "honey trap" that lab so stay clear of it.

MASSIVE +1

this is mainly because of the road mod "EU Roads" delete the mod and youll be fine!