HarryValentino

|| Ghosts of a Future Past || The Key || Dirty Water - Part I || Dirty Water - Part II || || Harry Valentino || Bruce Lynch || Teejay Shakur || || Origin Story || Vision Board 1 || Meeting Harry || Vision Board 2 || The Church || || Water Crisis || Water Delivery || The Bathsheba Family ||

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idk I can't read but @Shwy can help

|| Defending the Bridge || Another day on Bridge Street || An explosive day || || The Setup || Generation Next || Runnin' to the store || || Cheddar for the trap || Warming up || Where you at? || || A fresh start || A Hunt || || Storming Bridge Street || || The bigger they are... they harder they fall || || Seeing poverty || Cooling off || DOC Speed Dating || || Who is the best crim in BSB? || Stock down bad (P1) || Tasking the Prospects (P2) || || Brainstorming || Eat the Rich || A time for change || || Ty Shipley - A long awaited return || The story of Opal Villain || The story of Koda Valentino || || Bruce "Big Steak" Hardings || Lexi Valentino - New beginnings (P1) || || Lexi Valentino - New beginnings (P2) || Kat Galaxy - Manic || Alvin Pappalia - The Renewal || || The Redemption of Christopher Bridge || || A meeting gone South || Self Assessment ||

While I completely understand how sensitive, and rightfully so, the terrible situation in Ukraine is right now due to the disgusting actions and war crimes of the Russian government irl, I do not agree that it should reach and punish an players on an RP server on a video game, especially when the faction ICly has made 0 references to the war in Ukraine. As Ty pointed out, racism and police brutality is a terrible, constant, prevalent issue irl yet I do not see it punishing PD icly. Sexism is a terrible, constant, prevalent issue irl yet I do not see the Lost MC being punished icly. Terrorism is a terrible, constant, prevalent issue yet I do not see Underground being punished for it icly, neither was Daichead Gadai punished for supplying the IRA, a group recognized by the UK and the USA governments as "a proscribed terrorist organisation". Russian war crimes were committed against innocent Syrians, frighteningly alike to the ones in Ukraine today. I did not see the Russian Mob being punished for it icly then. Instead, they were made an official faction. Terrible American and British war crimes were committed against Afghans and other middle eastern nations, yet I do not see a single American or British faction being punished for them icly, including my own faction. Where was the action then? Or is it only an issue if European lives are affected? Keep politics out of video games. +1.

The bigger they are... the harder they fall. “Get out of town now and don't contact anyone else until I say so. Lay low… they are everywhere, and they are watching” Harry placed his phone back on the table after hitting send, his eyes rising to meet those sitting across him. “My apologies” he murmured, his heart racing as he excused himself from the meeting, not caring whether BSB’s foreign business partners would be offended by his abruptness. 15 minutes ago he had received news that his friends, his family, everything he cared about in this world was being hunted down by LSPD’s “finest”, and he had spent every second since trying to reach out to whoever he could. Harry was painfully aware that there was no room for error, that larger organisations of the past had been brought to their knees by weaker RICO cases. His organisation needed him back yesterday, and so the BSB leader found his way on the next flight to Los Santos, tirelessly plotting the next steps of the Brotherhood. Every TV screen at Los Santos International Airport served as a painful reminder, but Harry had no time to mourn. After making sure everyone that could get out of town was out, he reached out to BSB’s suppliers, only to find every single line had gone dead. The Russians had disbanded, and other supply lines had gone…sour. With most of the core members of BSB being forced to leave the city, the remaining heads were vulnerable and on their own. Old enemies, coming out of hiding, took the opportunity to join the hunt alongside PD who had seized all BSB assets. As much as it hurt, Harry reluctantly gave the order. It was the only way to survive. “Hang up the masks for now. We’ll be back.” With all houses and stashes on Bridge Street seized, it was time to find a new temporary HQ. As he looked over the iconic street one last time, his mind was filled not with nostalgia, but with bitter memories of how the rich, the upper class, had discarded him and his family. They couldn’t accept that BSB had made it out of the hood to rival their bank accounts, couldn’t accept the presence of BSB in an affluent neighbourhood. Although he couldn’t prove it yet, he knew the rich organisations who hated BSB and were known to work with the government had a hand in the RICO case. Harry contemplated moving back to the hood, to reconnect with the streets but knew in his heart that they too would not accept BSB. It was time to find a new home, one far away from the busy roads and hunting eyes yet close enough to stay informed. After a few days of searching around [REDACTED], he had found the perfect location. Harry reached out to the remaining BSB members and gave them each a few different tasks, all designed to gain information about the corrupt organisations running rampant in Los Santos. There is honour amongst thieves, and working with PD was not something that would be tolerated. He waited patiently, looking over the calm water as his people approached him, one by one. “...they stripped him naked, Harry. They humiliated him. They cut and tried to make him eat his own hair. And then they made him jump into the ocean, shooting at him while he swam for his life. He barely made it. This is what they told him: “BSB IS DEAD! YOU THINK YOU’RE GONNA COME BACK ALL TOUGH AND STRONG? LETS F*CKING SEE IT. WE READY, PULL UP. WE’RE HERE.” “FUCK BSB, P**SY” “Others have also been disrespecting us, Harry… "Why the fuck are you hanging out with him, he’s ex BSB. F*ck BSB” “...THAT’S WHY BSB IS DEAD, SHUT THE F*CK UP” "I don't ever wanna see you working with green again, especially not a f*cking Valentino" The highlights they brought back filled Harry with a quiet fury. A vow was made that night. Not only was BSB going to carry on helping the poor, getting people out of poverty and giving them a place to belong but their mission had now expanded. Enough was enough. The rich and corrupt were going to be burned to the ground, one way or the other. And those who thought they were safe, safe enough to come crawling out of the shadows and disrespect BSB would be buried with them.

Thank you for clarifying your main point. I believe I have already addressed our difference of opinion (quoted below), but I'm happy to repeat it for your perusal: "Please, do allow me to play the devil's advocate for a second. Let's agree with you and say the two reports are "vastly different" and there is such little similarity between the two that apparently, they can't even be compared. What remains, is that it took me 2 minutes to find a report that some people may think are comparable and worthy examples of the topic at hand; "The inconsistency within the staff team on reports". Someone spending a little more time than two minutes may even find reports that even you deem worthy of comparison. I don't want to get into a fruitless back and forth about whether the two reports are comparable or not. It was simply an example, that me, and I'm sure others, believe does well to represent the inconsistency within the staff team on reports. Other examples can and will be found. However, there is simply no need to find other examples to prove whether there is inconsistency within the staff team on reports - a simple community poll will answer that question for anyone who thinks there isn't inconsistency due to bias." Thus, the back-and-forth between whether this! particular report or that! particular report are comparable is irrelevant and not one I will be choosing to waste any more time discussing. I couldn't agree more! I am happy to see this kind of attitude from a staff member and do look forward to the day it is the minimum upheld standard, as opposed to a rare outlier. I have indeed seen the "remedy" to these kind of issues stated previously in the thread. To use an extreme analogy that even the most intellectually challenged among us should be able to understand; If there is severe knife crime in your area and people keep on getting stabbed, the remedy is not to "go see a doctor and hopefully they might save you". The remedy is a fundamental change of measures to reduce knife crime in the first place. Especially if the doctor you're going to is the one that carried out the stabbing. To translate; If there is severe inconsistency within the staff team on reports, and people keep on getting punished in an inconsistent manner, the remedy of "appeal your punishments and it may be seen differently the second time around" is, in my humble opinion, unlikely to be too effective. Rather, a fundamental change is needed to remedy the issue at its root cause, not once the damage has been done. An example or two of which I have provided previously which I will requote below. "A big step towards achieving this is making sure all staff members, no matter how senior, are treating every report with the viewpoint of education, not punishment. The aim should not be to punish, eventually ban and thus reduce the active player base, but to educate and build a more knowledgeable player base. Another step towards improving the consistency of player reports would simply be encouraging staff to play more CrimRP. It isn't farfetched to say the majority of staff time on the server ICly is on legal characters. Being more involved in CrimRP simply allows staff a more holistic view of the entire player experience. A more holistic view is a more knowledgeable view, a more knowledgeable view leads to a higher quality and consistency of report conclusions. This isn't me saying "Come be crim for a day and you'll see how its so unfair blah blah", it's entirely possible that this more holistic view will lead to a greater number of punishments and bans. If that is so, fair enough. What this will achieve is a step towards more consistent report decisions. If that leads to a greater number of punishments, so be it - at least they will be consistent. Greater consistency in punishments = greater understanding of what is allowed and not allowed = less rule breaks = higher quality of RP. " Perhaps even a second "body" of staff, almost akin to a jury, which sits separate from the main hierarchy of staff and reviews decisions before they are posted might be an effective solution to reducing the unfortunate bias which is otherwise unavoidable, as staff are only human after all. The only thing we can do, for now, is go through the stated measures which, in my humble opinion, are largely ineffective in solving the root issue. My intention for this thread was not to call out any single member of staff or staff as a whole. I have stated before and I will state it again, it is a largely thankless job the difficulty of which I can't imagine, and I would genuinely like to thank any staff member reading this with an open mind and attempting to understand that I am trying to give genuine feedback in the hope of improving the server. Part of me wonders whether my comments on this thread have left me caught in the web of bias, and, despite only having a single "speaking to" in my ALogs with 200k exp, being a CrimRper means I will find my way into a report sooner or later. Until the root causes of inconsistency and bias are addressed, one can only hope I get lucky with who handles my reports.

That's fair enough, and with this in mind, I would agree that the two examples are not the same. You are absolutely right, context is vital. Whether they are "vastly different" examples, however, is a curious take, for the following reasons. It must be noted; In both cases, an OOC resolution was achieved by the reporting and reported parties In both cases, "the reporting party decided to withdraw the report after hearing more from the other side" In both cases, a party humbly apologised and took necessary action to undo the IC loss. The guidelines state "Consider if you could possibly teach this player or if you've tried to come to a resolution on your own". In both cases, a resolution was reached on their own after the report was made through further communication. In one case, the reason given for the report being denied, ironically by yourself @DrPathetic was "The report has been withdrawn by the reporting party. We would, however, like to take the time to remind all involved that we encourage members to make and attempt to try and resolve incidents, such as this one, amongst themselves where possible" In the other case, the two parties successfully resolved the incident amongst themselves, exactly as you advised. The report was then withdrawn by the reporting party. The result? 6 NonRP Punishments for a first time relevant* offence. Please, do allow me to play the devil's advocate for a second. Let's agree with you and say the two reports are "vastly different" and there is such little similarity between the two that apparently, they can't even be compared. What remains, is that it took me 2 minutes to find a report that some people may think are comparable and worthy examples of the topic at hand; "The inconsistency within the staff team on reports". Someone spending a little more time than two minutes may even find reports that even you deem worthy of comparison. I don't want to get into a fruitless back and forth about whether the two reports are comparable or not. It was simply an example, that me, and I'm sure others, believe does well to represent the inconsistency within the staff team on reports. Other examples can and will be found. However, there is simply no need to find other examples to prove whether there is inconsistency within the staff team on reports - a simple community poll will answer that question for anyone who thinks there isn't inconsistency due to bias. The focus here, as always, should be on remedying the problem. I have provided two, in my humble opinion, solutions worthwhile of discussion. Do you care to provide any more? Happy holidays. *A first time comparable/relevant offence in this case was the fact that it was their first raid coming under question. While it may not be their first NonRP, it is their first relevant NonRP and while they may be "experienced" players, you learn something new every single day, especially with how murky some rules and their interpretations can be. The inconsistency of punishments does not help this issue.

I agree! A guideline that states a staff member must lock and archive a report after two people speak would be rather silly, much like ignoring the guidelines that do state "Consider if you could possibly teach this player or if you've tried to come to a resolution on your own" would be rather silly, or going in with a biased mindset aiming to punish, not educate, going against the essence of the rules would be rather silly. It took me a grand total of two minutes to find a recent report that has been denied, the reason given as being "The report has been withdrawn by the reporting party" after the report had been made. It's almost as if there is severe inconsistency within staff decisions, the very topic at hand I am attempting to address. Once again, the issue here, pointed out by @undead_vex, is the inconsistency of reports. A big step towards achieving this is making sure all staff members, no matter how senior, are treating every report with the viewpoint of education, not punishment. The aim should not be to punish, eventually ban and thus reduce the active player base, but to educate and build a more knowledgeable player base. Perhaps it's time we put aside our individual biases. Perhaps, the best way to do this is to attempt to educate, not punish. Happy holidays.

To build on this example provided by @Mister Patel Contextual ECRP guidelines: Scenario: The report against @Fupii(Bruce Hardings) and co by Sulamen Grundy was on the basis of a NonRP house raid - the reason for the raid was disputed as being not good enough to warrant a raid. This was resolved OOCly with the reported party understanding, admitting and apologizing for their mistake, giving any IC gains back to the reporting party. For most who engage in CrimRP, this report came as an interesting development as prior to this, seeing someone running around in a Hazmat suit was a well known and established reason to carry out a raid - the status quo. Now, upon elaboration and discussion, clearly the reason is not enough and that is understandable. The reported party learnt from the experience and will not make the same mistake again. The reporting party then proceeded to withdraw the report, happy with the resolution. Outcome: An intervention by an admin (@Aldarine), who was initially not involved in the report. Non-rp punishments handed out like candy on Halloween, despite this being the first comparable offence* (house raid without a good enough IC reason) for most of the people reported. To throw around Non-RP punishments for a first time comparable/relevant offence*, where the reason for raiding was actually the status quo at the time, for a report concluded OOCly and then withdrawn, in a server who aims to, in @BallinByNature words "Consider if you could possibly teach this player or if you've tried to come to a resolution on your own. Reporting another player should be reserved for your final option" and in @jason words on this very thread "Our guidelines do tell us to guide rather than punish." is, shall we say...interesting. If I had more time, I could comb through the archive and find hundreds of reports where, once the reporting party has withdrawn the report because of OOC resolutions, the matter is closed. As it should be, according to the guidelines, anyway. If someone has more time, I'm sure the archive can be analysed to find comparable reports where both the context and rule break are similar enough to be compared. And I'm sure you'll find an amusing variation in the final outcomes. As @Bala pointed out, admins are only human, doing a thankless job. As humans, they are subject to bias, same as us. You comb through enough reports and you'll see this bias on full blast, start to notice certain trends in how different factions and players are punished, in how different staff members treat certain factions and players differently. The issue here, pointed out by @undead_vex, is the inconsistency of player reports. A big step towards achieving this is making sure all staff members, no matter how senior, are treating every report with the viewpoint of education, not punishment. The aim should not be to punish, eventually ban and thus reduce the active player base, but to educate and build a more knowledgeable player base. Another step towards improving the consistency of player reports would simply be encouraging staff to play more CrimRP. It isn't farfetched to say the majority of staff time on the server ICly is on legal characters. Being more involved in CrimRP simply allows staff a more holistic view of the entire player experience. A more holistic view is a more knowledgeable view, a more knowledgeable view leads to a higher quality and consistency of report conclusions. This isn't me saying "Come be crim for a day and you'll see how its so unfair blah blah", it's entirely possible that this more holistic view will lead to a greater number of punishments and bans. If that is so, fair enough. What this will achieve is a step towards more consistent report decisions. If that leads to a greater number of punishments, so be it - at least they will be consistent. Greater consistency in punishments = greater understanding of what is allowed and not allowed = less rule breaks = higher quality of RP. *A first time comparable/relevant offence in this case was the fact that it was their first raid coming under question. While it may not be their first NonRP, it is their first relevant NonRP and while they may be "experienced" players, you learn something new every single day, especially with how murky some rules and their interpretations can be. The inconsistency of punishments does not help this issue.

Issue Being Reported: Requesting change of forum name to my IC name of HarryValentino Date and Time of Issue (provide timezone): 9/09/21, 14:58 BST Your characters name: Harry Valentino Other player(s) involved: None Evidence and/or notes worth mentioning: Made the forum account a long time ago, have ICly changed name since. Would like the forum name to be accurate and reflect this change.