Pertinax
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I think is do-able but is up to the developers. I would need a going on duty menu that you can create a wardrobe as the EUP Menu Plugin.
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RE-LOVE IT!!!!!
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1 minute ago, GWXCORE said:
Enough people complained so they removed drags. Betcha cops will still get to drive their personal drags though
We Don't Policies had change since the Chief Changed,
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Can some one please archive this? Seems that something has been done about drags.
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Hi,
Here a simple suggestion, Is just to keep the Door open if you leave the vehicle, in that way situations like a felony stop, doesn't require you to go in front of the cruiser pressing O and go back to the back of the door.
Make things more realistic if you get chased and you get out of your vehicle fast.
Simple suggestion.
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2 hours ago, GWXCORE said:
The drags and T20's and BF's and such are spawned by faction script to my knowledge. Maybe @Pertinax could give insight? I apologize for the tag, but I know you are knowledgeable on this and would like your clarification.
Not going to participate. Everyone here just twist words and every one here doesn't know the hole picture.
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8 minutes ago, Hoxton_Curry said:
Here’s another example, all of this was a few months ago
I wasn’t on the server for 7 days, I took a break, when I came back I find out that I’ve been charged for GTA, after 4 days of not playing. I make an IA because I don’t recall of this situation and don’t steal cars around police often. I get a very late reply saying that I did the crime, I never got any kind of evidence or the date or the context of the situation that got me this charge, it also said that If I’m not happy with the answer I can send an IA appeal to the commissioner which I have. It has been 4 months still no answer
Another example:
I was at a scene and shot and killed 2 officers and I get charged for 20+ murders (I still have evidence of the situation and proof of the charges but I didnt make an IA because this was before uncapped prison times and debt but it just shows how pd operates)
Somehow all this is an “IC issue”
I'm sorry to hear this I really do. And if you are correct, your charge will be removed from your record. And if you send an IA report with the evidence needed the officer, may be issued with a punishment. I do not know the state of your report since I'm not an AI officer, but you should be able to send an E-Mail asking about the state of it. A Pm on gov forums.
Now for the other example, you may killed your self 2 cops, but if your fiends did killed more cops you can get added with the same charge as accessory since you participated.
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1 minute ago, MohammedAli said:
I think you should riot outside City Hall.
Now, that's something you can do IC. But I would like it to be a protest instead of a Riot, cause a riot will get people arrested.
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6 minutes ago, Swattpup1989 said:
But at a certain point the punishment system needs to be handled quicker. And if it cant then the punishments need to be more severe. You said yourself the IA department is spread thin. If it takes 2 months for them to respond and do something. Whats to say in that 2 month time period, that cop does the same exact mistake. Nothing is learned because the second time they did it is cancelled by the first because they didn't know it was wrong in the first place.
I Do agree that it takes time, but sadly that's how it goes, it have to be handle IC And to do that, evidence and investigation have to be conducted. So is almost impossible that it can be handle in a matter of 2 days. It does need time.
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7 minutes ago, Swattpup1989 said:
Love the real life videos @Pertinax. Again doesn't prove your point. It proves ours.
Still remains PD is beyond out of control.
If you want to criticize my videos go head. But I think criticizing in that way is not resolving anything.
What I'm doing here is to clarify points.
And I do not say that the hole PD is a holy spirit, Yes there's bad cops in the department. And it will always be. Sadly.
But Terminating every officer for one reason would let the department with a very low amount of officers, may be 10 on duty.
What the punishments intent in the department is to Help the officer to be a better officer and take better decisions, so in this way we can have the man power and also improve the department.
Now, in RL they go thru a months of training because that their jobs. But in this server They go thru sessions that evaluate the cadets and officers. Ofc most of or none of them have Police experience, and OFC they will make mistakes, that why the punishment system is made in that way. -
22 minutes ago, Swattpup1989 said:
Perfect Example of abuse of power. This right here-
(Some videos here)
Legit claims the road in the pictures is a one way from Mission Row to the Square. Yet the road signs state the road is a one way FROM the Square to Mission Row. Hands my buddy a ticket.
Then makes threats for me asking questions and the fact I was told previously SD has no jurisdiction in the city.
And I get threatened with obstruction yet the female is even closer than I was and gets nothing said to her because she knows him. Seems a bit fucked
Already filed an IA report. Bet 10 to 1 it will be like @alexalex303 case and I will get a response in 2 months time. Wonder how much damage Officer Raven does before the report gets recognized.This is my input on this:
First, SD can patrol in our jurisdiction if there's a low amount of Police Officers. This is sharing jurisdiction. This goes vise versa too. If there's a low amount of Sherrifs we do patrol heir jurisdiction too.
Now about the obstruction, While an officer is performing a traffic stop in this case he is just talking to the driver and the persons involved in the vehicle. What you are doing here, is getting your self involved in a situation that does not concerns you. And the officer having to deal with the traffic stop and now you slower down the investigation or the traffic stop. And this is actually considered obstruction of justice since now the officer have to deal with you too. My suggestion on this is wait till the traffic stop is done and approach the officer calmly and express your concerns. Because if you do so in the middle of the situation you are impeding to do his job. You can ask any questions you want, but there's a time and place to do so. Not in the middle of traffic stop. This can get you in trouble.
Now, this doesn't mean I'm agree with the officer initial reason to pull over. because I do not know them.
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3 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:
I'm curious why you didn't address the other argument? I said that cops that are found guilty of breaches of protocol are not punished harshly enough and that they do not get dealt with fast enough. Hiring more IA officers would be a nice start, yes, but do you agree that officers kidnapping someone (detaining them without legal authority) should face termination and/or prison? Or is the current written warning/slap on the wrist system to your satisfaction?
Let me address you in these concerns, From what I know, Depending of the investigation out come there's a list of punishments, like it does with the Player reports. These punishments are handle from levels, like the law does, First offense, second offense, third offense, etc. Termination of officers are actually in place if you head in to the Government site, you would see suspensions and discharges that are actually public. Now again, it have to be process witch the IA team take care of. A written warning, then a suspension, then a termination. This depends in the out come of the investigation, Yes, investigations take long, why? Because the investigator needs to gather the evidence, need to gather the witnesses, etc, etc. And this takes time, since the officers do not have a Duty Schedual as in Real life. Then it comes the debate of the investigators team to reach in to an out come.
Now, Officers can detain some one at an point, can be just not letting the person go, or placing him on cuffs. That's in to the officer discretion and how the suspect interacts with the officers, if he remains calm and wait for the out come he may not be even place on cuffs. But he is yelling impeding the officer to talk to some one, or acting erratically, can be place under cuffs until he out come. This individual can be under detention by the officer for a period of 48 hours. IG, this can be up to 3 hours OOC.
Sadly in this server, There's not a jury and lawyers. And I would like to see that. So what the officer sees stay and that's why AI Exist so you can give your conserns. Or if a civilian have enough proves.-
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To be honest I haven't see the IA team since they members are hidden from the department. I do agree that IA needs more people for the huge amount of complains. But again There's a low amount of officers. And ever more when they join a division, like IA. That's why the department is looking for more member to fill out stop withing the department.
Right now when the server reach around 200 players may be there's only 20 officers around witch made it 10 to 1. -
Just now, Flucifial said:
How do you have probable cause that a vehicle is stolen just because the driver isn't the R/O? I think probable cause for a stolen vehicle is if someone actually reports the vehicle stolen, otherwise, there is no probable cause.
As police officer we just double check. because In my experience, 80% of the times, the vehicle is actually stolen.
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Just now, Swattpup1989 said:
Just to clarify the illegal uturns with no sirens and such. Everytime it has been a cop swingin around to talk to a buddy on the side of the road or to bs with another cop. Doesn't seem like much of an emergency to me. Seems more like misuse of a government vehicle.
I would be agree with you in this one. If he brakes the law as you say, just to talk to his buddy may be headed in disciplinary actions. But again you don't know if he saw the person and he may be wanted so he turns around to check if he really is. That's why there's Internal Affairs investigations.
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5 minutes ago, Flucifial said:
Reason for stop should always be the first topic of conversation, not identifying the people in the car, so +1 from me on that.
There's a lot of IC reason why we do ask for ID first, one of them that I can tell you is that before we get out of the vehicle we look in to the registry owner and if the driver is not the registry owner, we have probable cause that the vehicle may be stolen, in that case we proceed with an investigation, like calling the owner. During this investigation, you may be placed on cuffs to DETAIN you until we are confident that the vehicle is not stolen.
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6 minutes ago, Jasmine said:
They came in gave no reason then left not arresting anyone.
If cops bust up a club or bar, they don't sit at the entrance and check every single persons ID.They stand at the entrance stopping people who match the description of a known suspect.
For the first part I will be agree with you, with out having cause to enter the establishment may lead to disciplinary actions. Again if there's not a reason. But it may be reason that you do not know why. That is the job of internal affairs to determine.
Now, the second part. Right now we are limited to the resources that the server have, we just see the name of the man that is wanted, and we do not see a Face on the MDC currently, how ever, we can role play seen the face of the guy in the MDC. So at this point we do not have a suspect description and he may be with a mask, since every one is out with a mask.
So we need the ID of every one to know who is the suspect. And a warrant is more than a probable cause to search the people. -
Just now, Swattpup1989 said:
On Duty and Off Duty cops need to follow the same laws we do. Not just break them all because they are the law.
Illegally parking with no parking pay but because your a cop its okay
Illegally u-turning with no lights or sirens but because your a cop its okay
Failure to identify yourself or answer simple law questions
Using excessive force or threatening people
The list goes on and on.
The Internal Affairs department is a joke, no offense, but, like nothing gets done to those cops unless server staff get involved.Off duty cops do need to follow traffic laws. On the other hand Duty officers does not, since the law states that any emergency vehicles may park or be left in any way. These for multiple reasons. One the officer may had to run to catch a suspect, leaving the cruiser behind, Provide Traffic coverage to the scene, leaving the vehicle close to an illegal parking vehicle to check his plates on the MDC. etc etc.
But the law states that emergency vehicles may disregard the traffic laws.
The illegal U-turn may be because the situation requires to do so, and with out lights and siren since you don't know if he is attending an emergency like an active armed robbery or a robbery that lights and sirens may scare the criminal and there fore giving him advantage to run. There's way to many reasons that a police officer may do this actions that you are not aware off.
Failure to Identify your self again is against the penal code.Again if the person is not complying at all then he is in desobay of an order by a police officer, this is an arrest able offense and the officer can use force to sedue the individual if he is refusing.
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Just now, Jasmine said:
How about walking into the basement of Tequilala and demanding everyone give IDs?
Is that in the handbook? Happened 2 times today.
The reason behind it can variate. One of the common reasons is that we have a wanted Man over there, So to find out who is the wanted man, we need to check every ones ID.
There could be a 911 Call giving us probable cause to search the place.
There's multiple reason that could lead to this action but all of them require probable cause, If the officer doesn't have probable cause for a pat down you can report it to IA.
Also to make things clear, any interaction with a police officer is requiring the civilian to provide his ID, The officer can exercise this requirement or not. -
8 minutes ago, Swattpup1989 said:
I mean its a legit question, she could have answered while I was grabbing it instead she was very rude. Immediately after it, she went off duty. Seems they want to meet a quota rather than do their jobs
Is up to the officer discretion, if he/she first wants to check your ID and then tell you the why of the pull over. Or tell you while doing it.
But again our protocol states, ID First then Reason. You can ask the reason but it will be given to you until you identify your self. -
1 minute ago, Swattpup1989 said:
In Kansas, its not like that. Upon the stop they ask do you know why I stopped you today and then tell you and ask for ID
Exactly is different in every state. But in our State of San Andreas based on California, and what our commissioner has been issue in out city is that we ask ID first then tell you.
Also, if the civilian ask, in our state, for the officer identification, the officer have to give the Badge number. But he may or not give you his full name. -
7 minutes ago, Swattpup1989 said:
I understand the fact of the realism on the server but cops not being required to identify a traffic stop is not realistic. I have been pulled over and before you even give them your license you can ask the reason for being stopped. And they are required to tell you. The fact this isn't a thing is beyond redic.
Being pulled over for suspected speeding when going 50 is a bit excessive. When asked why I was being pulled over, I got told a spot check and then it changed to suspected speeding.
Upon refusing to show my license due to lack of a reason for the stop, I got threatened with more charges. This is beyond unrealistic.Hi, Just my input on this, Our protocol states that we first Identify the driver and then we can give the reason of the stop. But just let you know, you are fully entitle to know why you had been pull over, but there's steps, First thing first, we Identify THEN we give the reason.
Failure to Identify is an arrest able offense.
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22 minutes ago, GOAT said:
I said this in PD discord, but I like my game to look as vanilla as possible. A lot of mods including PD skins always tend to stick out and for me personally, it lessens my immersion.
I feel like modding your game should be a personal choice. There are some nice mods there, but they aren't for me.
To be fair this mod is not like a crown vic or vehicles, these are just clothes. Currently the uniforms that we have in the server are crap from my point of view.
These is just to have a nice uniform.Also these mod let you chose the insignia of your rank, witch will help us on real Role Play scenarios to know the rank of every one on the field, and civilians will know who is a supervisor and who's not.
Emergency Uniforms Pack - Implementation
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I'm not forcing, this is just add on cloth. That we can use for IC proposes, Ranking insignias at the sides for the selves and also DOC would have this riot equipment. Also Tactical gear for all departments.