dzeikob Posted May 10, 2017 Report Posted May 10, 2017 After playing here for quite some time I am still confused about the differences between light, medium and heavy roleplay, what is allowed on light roleplay but is not in heavy roleplay.. As I have mostly played on heavy roleplay servers and I try to keep my roleplay on a high level. This however is fairly complicated in some cases because what I have noticed is that people for example don't roleplay fear. If there is a gun pointed at somebodys head, then most cases they just run away just because they can. So yeah.. My question overall is what is defined under light-, medium-, and heavy roleplay.
Jinzorn Posted May 10, 2017 Report Posted May 10, 2017 And some people take gun without roleplay and Just shot, after say "this is light RP server" ...
Valdis6473 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Posted May 10, 2017 I define light roleplay that only server rules matter, if it's not forbidden then its allowed, example there is no rule for common sense so people just walk away if u point a gun at them because there is no rule against it.
Valdis6473 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Posted May 10, 2017 Or you can even say that you don't fear guns and fist fight the guy with a gun.
SubZ Posted May 10, 2017 Report Posted May 10, 2017 Have a read of this thread https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/threads/what-rule-policy-to-expect-from-eclipse-roleplay.170/
SubZ Posted May 10, 2017 Report Posted May 10, 2017 And some people take gun without roleplay and Just shot, after say "this is light RP server" ... "We do not enforce /me /do for pulling out a gun as that can be visually seen anyway" - Osvaldon https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/threads/travis_butts.1461/
Mdarude Posted May 10, 2017 Report Posted May 10, 2017 Yes and this is why this server never will be a good RP server unitll the owners make more RP rules 2
sam6420 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) Yes and this is why this server never will be a good RP server unitll the owners make more RP rules I disagree. Rules can only get you so far and cause huge issues for admins and moderators trying to keep up with the rule breakers. Having a script that can enforce proper roleplay is a much better solution than rules that only half the players read. The server will never be good in your eyes. Edited May 11, 2017 by Guest
Mdarude Posted May 11, 2017 Report Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) I disagree. Rules can only get you so far and cause huge issues for admins and moderators trying to keep up with the rule breakers. Having a script that can enforce proper roleplay is a much better solution than rules that only half the players read. The server will never be good in your eyes. Well for now the server is not a proper RP server and you can script alot of things Still you need rules abouth RP becouse you cannot simpel say we will script the server in a way you dont need to type.. for example: how would you script this rule : Tazer and Cuffs/Rush Taze Policy Aiming Weapons : If a player is aiming their weapon at a faction member, that faction member being aimed at cannot taze the player. This also applies when the player is Discharging a Weapon toward a Faction member. Cuffing after Taze : Players may get cuffed after they have been tazed due to the shock(you have 60 seconds to Cuff); however, as soon as the cuffs are put on the suspect, the tazer effect/shock is over. Additionally, faction members must RP putting on handcuffs at all times unless the player has just been tasered. Faction members must roleplay dragging and detaining. Sprinting while dragging a suspect is not allowed, as well as dragging them long distances.(with proper roleplay it is allowed to drag a person if you are in a car.) Tazing/Cuffing in the Water : Faction members can taze suspects from the shore or a boat if they jump into the water. Lethal force is not to be used for this sort of action.(Unless the Person is too far away from the shore/boat) Exploitation of Tazing : If any faction member is caught tazing an individual as an exploit to save him,-/herself from dying, the faction member in question will be faction kicked, imprisoned for 1 hour, and faction banned for not more than 5 days for exploiting. Tazing without role-play : LEO's are not allowed to taze new suspects without roleplaying with them first, however wanted criminals and case file suspects may be tazed without interaction as these people could be a threat to an officer/agents life. Usage of /drag : Law Enforcement Officers must role-play dragging cuffed people at all times. At no point are LEOs allowed to sprint while dragging a member. Failure to follow this rule will result in jail time for the reason Powergame. Usage of /cuff in gunfights : It is not possible to /cuff a suspect in the middle of a gunfight unless the person in question can be RPly cuffed. This means that the faction member witch has to /cuff the suspect need protection from enemy fire this can be provided by a vehicle giving the officer cover and/or other faction member can give cover fire at a matter it would not be possible to opposing team to shoot at the officer which is cuffing the suspect. If a faction member is seen breaking this rule their punishment is set to be the same as Powergaming. Tazing and Cuffing in injured stage : A faction member can /Cuff you when you are shot down and waiting for a LSEMS unit to come to scene and bring you into the hospital. This means you have to wait in front of the Hospital until a police vehicle is on scene and detain you. If you have to wait longer than 5 minutes in front of the hospital you are free to go however you must contact oocly ( by sms) a officer in which hospital you spawned. If you don’t apply to these rules it would be punishable as Powergaming. Accidental Rush Taze : If a player is rush tased by accident both player must meet an agreement if this is discussed out of character and it was indeed a Rush Taze the player is to be given a few second to run away, roleplay or simply start engaging again. Intentional Rush Taze : If a player is rush tazed and not released through out of character agreement, and has evidence solidifying the rush taze, then the faction member(s) tasing the player will be imprisoned for 1 hour and possibly faction kicked/banned depending on the case. Or this : Double Tapping Policy Double Tapping is defined as killing a player (finishing off a player) without role-play after they are in the limbo/injured state which forces the player to be sent to the hospital and avoid LSEMS attention. Double Tapping Prohibition of LEOs Double Tapping : Law enforcement officers and National Guard member are not allowed to double tap a player However, LEO's are allowed to taze a player in "/acceptdeath,stage as this will result in you being cuffed. Then you have to oocly contact one of the officers witch Cuffed you and wait for him or another LEO at the hospital to detain you. This may not take longer than 5 minutes if no LEO shows up you are free to go. Punishment for LEOs Double Tapping: Failure to follow this policy will result in punishment according to the "Non-Role-play Behaviour" server offense. Exceptions In-Character Corruption: Role-played in-character corruption allows role-play "finishing off" of an individual. If a law enforcement officer or military staff is corrupt, they have the right to roleplay a scenario where the individual they have just put into the limbo/injured state must be killed (or finished off). Legitimate role-play must take place for this to be valid and not be taken as double tapping.( or oocly arrangement has been met) Edited May 11, 2017 by Guest
sam6420 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) I honestly REALLY don't feel like reading all of that and breaking down every point. The server is a roleplay server, and is similar to many roleplay servers that have existed in the past. It's not the same as the samp servers you played, and that's fine. If you don't like how it's done there are other options to sate your appetite. Edited May 11, 2017 by Guest
Burnz Posted May 11, 2017 Report Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) I feel like at least some RP rules should be enforced on the server though. RP fear should definitly be enforced. Edited May 11, 2017 by Guest
Reevesy202 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Posted May 11, 2017 Basically, it's been said that until VOIP is fixed completely and working then the RP won't be to the standard it will be then. Which is understandable. However people trying to role-play things like being in the back of a car and going "/me stabs the driver in the side of the neck with a knife" when you can't actually attack from the back of the car and you don't actually have a knife is where people take RP too far. Same as someone RPing that your hands are tied behind your back when civs don't actually have zipties. That is giving yourself an advantage over nothing you can see in-game. However, things like "/me removes mans phone from his pocket and keeps it in his own pocket" is allowed so you don't use the /911 feature or /pm feature to get help. Even though phones don't technically exist yet, those functions are in the game and we say it's from a phone. Unfortunately I am more voice-RP than text-RP and I do not agree with /do commands so I avoid them at all costs and when cops use the commands to ask civs if they are going to fight the handcuffs going on, it's not how I have role-played with anyone on any server before and I do not like it so I do not fight any of it and not sure how you can make it better RP unless you can spam 2 buttons and the cuffs have a chance of coming loose? (Or maybe zip-ties can break but handcuffs are always 100% staying on) However if you like it, go ahead and do it.
sam6420 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Posted May 11, 2017 I feel like at least some RP rules should be enforced on the server though. RP fear should definitly be enforced. This has been addressed, and to paraphrase, "We want to implement things that will make players genuinely fearful of death, giving the player a real sense of fear."
Spark Posted May 12, 2017 Report Posted May 12, 2017 The server needs to enforce some rules so the player has no choice in doing otherwise. Similar to mugging people you need to get them to put their hands up. But at the end RP gets to a common sense point. If the server would be whitelisted a lot would be filtered already.
eazyalex Posted May 13, 2017 Report Posted May 13, 2017 I define light roleplay that only server rules matter, if it's not forbidden then its allowed, example there is no rule for common sense so people just walk away if u point a gun at them because there is no rule against it. That's clear Non-RP Behavior lol. You guys should be more conscious about your actions tho. If someone is pointing a gun at you, walking away is the last thing you'll do, and if you do you'll most likely getting shot and you're supposed to Roleplay the bullet wounds.
Valdis6473 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Posted May 13, 2017 @eazyalex Look at my report I did against Kevin_Lamar, Osvaldon said that they do not enforce fear so you can just walk away if someone points a gun at you.
eazyalex Posted May 13, 2017 Report Posted May 13, 2017 @eazyalex Look at my report I did against Kevin_Lamar, Osvaldon said that they do not enforce fear so you can just walk away if someone points a gun at you. that's pretty much stupid tbh... however if you shoot the player he is expected to Roleplay the wounds... there is no way an Admin wont take an action about it. I mean if you get shot you won't be able to run as fast as you were, specially if the shot hits your legs. it's just that you've the advantage and know how to use it. either the play complies or gets jailed for breaking a server offense.
Valdis6473 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) If u expect someone to roleplay the wounds then good luck with that mate, they will either try to kill you or escape from you till they die. Edited May 13, 2017 by Guest
AdamWong Posted May 13, 2017 Report Posted May 13, 2017 The fact people can constantly ram people and drive off, walk away from player interactions (or conversations) and/or just outright run away from being mugged without penalty is stupid. Oh I'm being mugged? huehuehue let me just run off over here and your gun is desynced so fuck you. I tried talking to someone the other day, they just walked off... why play an RP server if you consider talking to someone a waste of time and try to avoid it? A lot of non-RP driving such as : [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRcNEKA_HOw[/media] As well as a lot of reckless driving is making me lose patience with a small number of players, if I'm speeding I'm doing like 90/100 tops, not 150 drifting through intersections.
eazyalex Posted May 13, 2017 Report Posted May 13, 2017 If u expect someone to roleplay the wounds then good luck with that mate, they will either try to kill you or escape from you till they die. I will simply report something like that. In case they return fire, there is nothing I can do, but if they run away from me and I discharge my gun on them, if they keep running like a crazy chicken, you can expect a FC. And I don't see an admin closing it without punishing the player.
eazyalex Posted May 13, 2017 Report Posted May 13, 2017 The fact people can constantly ram people and drive off, walk away from player interactions (or conversations) and/or just outright run away from being mugged without penalty is stupid. Oh I'm being mugged? huehuehue let me just run off over here and your gun is desynced so fuck you. I tried talking to someone the other day, they just walked off... why play an RP server if you consider talking to someone a waste of time and try to avoid it? A lot of non-RP driving such as : [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRcNEKA_HOw[/media] As well as a lot of reckless driving is making me lose patience with a small number of players, if I'm speeding I'm doing like 90/100 tops, not 150 drifting through intersections. Well it's a shame that the Admin team is allowing something like that... Unless they want to keep the server like it, with people that come to Roleplay server just to fuck around...
Valdis6473 Posted May 14, 2017 Report Posted May 14, 2017 If u came from SA-MP roleplay servers and expect the same level of RP as it was over there then good luck with that, if there isn't even a rule against gun fear then exceptions shouldn't be high. It's light RP, it means that you can do whatever you want if it's not against the rules. You can Ken Block around the streets 200km/h and nothing will happen to you because police officers are busy.
Valdis6473 Posted May 14, 2017 Report Posted May 14, 2017 And the punishments are nothing, you troll/deathmatch or whatever you get little bit of ajail or 2 days ban and u are back in screwing people over.
eazyalex Posted May 14, 2017 Report Posted May 14, 2017 And the punishments are nothing, you troll/deathmatch or whatever you get little bit of ajail or 2 days ban and u are back in screwing people over. I believe that with time things will get to the point. Eventually Admins will realize the cancers between the community and get rid of them. Sometimes it is boring to get fucked by a bunch of retards, I know that... But if you keep insisting, soon or later justice will arise and your problems will be solved.
MrPancakers Posted May 14, 2017 Report Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) Light Roleplay I see it as not a lot of detail and quick and simple interaction. Light roleplay still runs like a real world and things still have to be realistic, but your actions don't always have to be done through /me and /do. It's very basic, but everything is the same concept, IMO it just means you don't have to explain what you're doing, you can just go straight to the commands. Heavy Roleplay you have to put effort and describe your actions when you do them, handing over a license? you can't simply do /license <id>, you're expected to do a /me line before handing over your license, same goes with interactions like paying someone. Things like fixing a car you'd need to roleplay doing properly. And the punishments are nothing, you troll/deathmatch or whatever you get little bit of ajail or 2 days ban and u are back in screwing people over. you clearly have never played SA-MP, they hand out 2 hour jails and you're back, you think 2 days is nothing? Edited May 14, 2017 by Guest
