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15 hours ago, Commander783 said:
Take away armour from regular cops.
Take away boosted vehicles from the cops.
LAPD cops have armor plates inside their shirt. Deployed SWAT gets tactical external vest.
Boosted vehicles... yeah sure. I think that should be limited to the Central Traffic Division.
16 hours ago, TheOwl said:You claim your RP standards are high and yet cops will do 150mph up onto a sidewalk to smash someone's bike into a wall in an attempt to stall it over a vandalism charge
That's reportable, LOL.
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3 hours ago, FatherOsborn said:
Google LASD gangs
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4 hours ago, Antonio_Colombo said:
Another great implementation would be that in case cops lose any of its stuff be it because of their fault or situation they end up, they have to pay huge amounts in fines. For example, lost pistol - 20k fine, lost assault/smg - 100k fine. Only that way they will learn how to value their character lives and dont try to be brave in places where it doesn't fit.
lol. That's not how it works. Good luck with suggesting that.
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On 10/17/2022 at 10:59 AM, AnakinB said:
cus ur opinions are biased in a manor where if anything hurts PD negatively you think it should be removed, while i get cops should be more overpowered then criminals, at the end of the day what are PD/SD without criminals? nothing, eventually the most rp that PD/SD are gonna get are writing up parking tickets for spawned in cars if no one wants to do the criminal side due to its absurdly harsh consequences, as I've said before and will continue to say until I die, it is a video game, while playing PD and arresting people you are not trying to actually make crime halt to 0, and sure you can say "well its not cops and robbers its a roleplay server
" crime happens IRL, cops arrest the wrong doers. have a good night. also, nerf PD 
Yeah, that's false. I've been an advocate against a few things PD does that, in my opinion, unrealistically portrays a police department in the US, like shooting tires, wearing masks to gunfights or not roleplaying small things.
And yes, I know, members of PD are supposed to here to enjoy police roleplay and provide quality roleplay to other players in the community, not always aiming to win in every situation.
Your comments are pretty useless because the only thing you do is blabbing something already mentioned and not detailing what you actually suggest. Nonetheless, I wish you best of luck in "nerfing PD." Have a good night
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On 10/12/2022 at 9:05 PM, Bala said:
@Thommy You don't even play here, quit trolling. As for your signature, thats from another server lmao.
Actually, I do. And as a member of the community, I think I am entitled to give an opinion to this discussion. I am not sure how you perceive me as 'trolling' when I was actually providing my real stance on the topic.
On 10/13/2022 at 3:35 AM, AnakinB said:You when PD isnt so OP ur under fear rp just being in their presence: "
" nah in all seriousness tho, get a grip
Huh? You better off providing actual productive responses to my feedback or just don't derail this topic.
56 minutes ago, Andro said:
Criminals need new things, a buff overall, or PD and SD to actually play a RP server not just get on duty put someone in cuffs and if he tries to rp with you, because you are pissed OOC or not have a bad day you ruin everyone's experience, which this happened to me, i tried to sing with an officer and he was just saying shut the fuck up i am not having it today.
In conclusion PD/SD needs a nerf and to get their shit together, everyone has bad days, in my opinion damaging your car a bit and then just going to sandy getting another one is truly so powerful, not being able to loot cop guns is also very sad since if you do fight PD or SD and you somehow win you didn't gain anything, DOC needs a whole rebuild, with new things, DOC needs the most help in all 3 cases, by helping DOC you will help both cases, Crims just need a buff overall.Do you know what RP is? Not everything goes your way. Especially if you go to a random cop and sing random stuff, a mad IRL cop would most likely say the same thing. You cannot just say people don't RP when things don't go your way.
Not only that, but you also think RP is about winning gunfights and looting guns. You should not be shooting your way out of everything because that's a pretty terrible standard.
Remember that being a criminal is hard against cops. You calling PD 'overpowered' is quite subjective and does not make any sense. Cause I'm sure if you point why PD is 'overpowered', there'd be a valid argument against it.
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3 hours ago, TheOwl said:
@Thommy You just posted a comment defending PD for blasting away the RP and then immediately went on the attack accusing criminals of wanting to go around blasting everything in sight.
You're talking nonsense dude. Just stop before you get this forum post closed down.
lol. "Blasting away the RP". Letting criminals run away with guns in hand and fleeing in a car, endangering the public after holding someone hostage is not "the RP." Reread what I said. If you let a hostage go and you're not surrendering, you're done. Letting you go means putting the public in danger by initiating unnecessary car chases. It's literally how it most likely goes in US. And god knows what else you are going to do. Car chase is something that should be avoided at all costs. If that is what "RP" is to you, then you should really consider your roleplay standard on the server.
And as for the rest in the original topic, I do not have any comments or oppositions to reducing cost or whatever. I could not care less. I am merely pointing out the OP's wording that suggests PD supposedly doing something wrong with the way they respond to robberies. They're doing as best as possible.
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21 hours ago, sNo0BbZz said:
VIDEO GAME MOMENT
6 hours ago, AnakinB said:its a video game
Yeah, it's a video game, why can't I just shoot everyone I see on sight? This is a roleplay community with certain standards to be upheld. This fictional map of Los Santos, San Andreas is made known to be based on Los Angeles, California, United States —which is where we portray and take inspirations from.
5 hours ago, XeV said:seeing as your whole entire persona is around the video game of being a PD officer your comment holds 0 merit as you fail to recognize the other side and the hardships to even come up with a fair comment.
Also after reviewing your profile and your comments towards other forum posts I can see where you lie in terms of trying to balance things. you just will not see the other side of things and are stern in terms of never removing or balancing anything towards PD.
Yeah, not really, no. If you actually checked, I made a few comments against PD shooting tires on suspect's vehicle where lethal force (against the suspect himself) is not lawful because that is also not how it works in the US. I give my opinions based on what I think is reasonable and acceptable to the term of "roleplay."
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On 8/16/2022 at 6:57 AM, XeV said:
Banks - Risk VS Reward not even close to worth it with the way PD can respond
Banks (Hostage) - SUPER not worth it with the Prison Time and the possible outcome of just being blasted as soon as Hostage is clear.
Yeah. Maybe because banks are not supposed to be robbed often. You should not try unless you have a really good plan. And also, yes, you are going to get blasted the moment you try to flee when the hostage is clear because that is how it works in the United States. Per United States case law Tennessee v. Garner, lethal force can be used to stop a fleeing suspect if there is a probable cause that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or severe injuries. You are an armed criminal who has just aimed a gun at someone's head. Who knows what else you are capable of?
If you want a PD that lets you get in your car and flee with your friends while you have a handgun in your hand, maybe you should go find a FiveM server.
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Can't wait to become a mall rat.
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On 8/14/2022 at 9:27 AM, Olivia Can said:
I'd like to quote a staff member that recently handled a report against the Dragons faction "Concerning the Dragons specifically, having a total of 6, and (later 7!) vehicles involved in a chase would be considered Non-Roleplay Convoying. Chasing someone with this many vehicles on a busy street is unrealistic and promotes poor quality roleplay."
This should apply to cops as well. SD has stopped chasing LSD members because it is more harmful to the citizens and other cars on the road that cops are supposed to be RPing exist. I don't see why in the city, which is more populated then SD territory, this isn't applied as well. It seems very NRP for 10-12 cop cars to be leaping and jumping around on the street, doing the exact same things as the criminal they're chasing are doing. It's called reckless operation when civilians do it...
First of all, there is rarely an occasion where more than 5 police cars are required in a vehicle pursuit. Usually the supervisor will advise additional responding units to go for interceptions (clear out surrounding roads of where the pursuit line is coming) or deploying spikes if authorized.
Secondly, with emergency lights on, cops are exempted from traffic laws when responding to an emergency or pursuing a suspect.
And thirdly—to quote "leaping and jumping around on the street, doing the exact same things as the criminal they're chasing are doing. It's called reckless operation when civilians do it...", the issue here is a game limitation. With the unrealistic handling of vehicles in GTA V, I am not sure how else you expect chases to be. If you are using this argument against cops, it should also apply to criminals that it would be "NRP" to go 100+ mph in downtown Los Santos, which is based on the City of Los Angeles, a city with traffic congestions and pedestrians around.
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On 8/8/2022 at 3:04 AM, AnakinB said:
1. right now as it is, PD can just spawn their armor, guns, and cars in free of charge. I propose that pd/sd should have to buy said things, and at the end of the day when they’re clocking off and going home they return the items,
That's how it works, and you can't change it. Equipment is issued by the department. Such a funny idea to think police should buy their own patrol cars.
Quote2. Remove pagers, quite simply either remove pagers from pd or allow criminals to rp having them. Isn’t at all fair that pd can ping 100 people to get on and fight at most 40 criminals
Nah. Off-duty officers especially SWAT get paged all the time when they are needed.
Quote3. reduce the amount of armor pd can have on them at a time, as is there is police officers patrolling in 100 ap armor, when that’s just not even normal not to mention how heavy that would and the amount of stress it would put on the officers back it’s just not realistic, I’m not saying remove 100 ap armor from pd entirely however I feel like if your patrolling you should have 25-50 ap armor and even 50 is kind of a stretch. Let’s say there’s a bank robbery you can arrive on scene and if there is a hostage situation, etc put on the 50-100 ap armor and grab your guns. About to go in and raid a lab? Grab your armor and get ready, if someone thing is taking planning to do you should be allowed the more heavy armor.
Sure. This one makes sense.
Quote4. Carbine does way to much damage tbh lessen it.
Nah. It's about right.
Quote5. Obviously doc time and rp but that’s being worked on
What about RP? Before you comment on PD's roleplay, look at criminal's first. PD is a reactive faction. If crims don't use play-to-win meta and just roleplay realistically, we would be able to put more emphasis on RP quality, character development and department portrayal.
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Criminals don't need teamspeak.
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Taking a vehicle out of the impound lot should not require an LEO player to manually complete it. It is indeed a big waste of time and does not really provide any productive roleplay. Additionally, there are RPly staff at an impound lot to take your documents and fees, etc ; it is not a cop's job.
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On 3/18/2022 at 8:12 PM, Sico said:
Speaking realistically, I don't think PD in LA would be driving sport bikes like Shinobi, or even high speed cars such as the 8f drafter. I do understand that the tunnels are full of bugs but then we might need to remove some other stuff to make it fair for the felony evaders aswell. Personally I think that 80% of the felony evasions people get caught cus of PD's super fast cars that can keep up most of the times and if they lose u then you have a guaranteed Air-1 above you.
On 6/29/2022 at 10:19 AM, Jorden Sperry said:well said, if we are going off realism, have you guys ever seen a police sports car in your area in real life before? More than likely the answer is no, although it's possible, I don't think any of us ever seen one, or multiple in our lifetimes. I am heavy on getting rid of the police shinobi, I've never been pulled over by a sports bike a day in my life, pretty sure the department near me doesn't have one as well. It's quite overpowering, if you ask me. Most units I've seen at a normal traffic stop was 3, I could see if you were wanted and such and PD has decided to go all out and get everything they got in their arsenal to arrest you, but that's about it. I believe there should be some limit for these traffic stops, there should be a fair number of units that can respond to a traffic stop or chase depending on the level of the situation to make it somewhat fairer. 30 units on a chase is so overkill tbh. Even if we may be going off realism, we must take into account what's fair and enjoyable for other parties. PD obviously has more players than criminals so, all of the high-speed vehicles and buffs are useless in my opinion, gonna be challenging to getaway as is, that is just my take though, big +1.
Why would PD need fast vehicles if it were not for criminals' poor character portrayals? What kind of criminals drive super and exotic cars? Even if you are in a crime organization, you would not really be drifting sport cars around in the city. Most of the times, a criminal is poor, that is why they are a criminal. So they should correctly portray their character doing so, and not just buy the fastest car with the play-to-win mentality to escape from cops.
If it wasn't for the meta as mentioned, PD would not need sport vehicles.
Secondly, the Los Angeles Police Department, which is the police department in a city we are portraying, has at least two helicopters up at a time for 20 hours a day. They are not only for emergency responses, but are a part of routine patrol. So do not be surprised when there is a helicopter while you are escaping from police. An airship is available at the officers' disposal. Every time there is a pursuit, they request 'backup and airship'.
If you are good enough, you can escape from police even if there is an air unit. Having been a part of the Air Support Division of multiple roleplay servers, I can say that I've lost people before, even those driving the slowest car.
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On 6/23/2022 at 2:47 PM, Ash said:
Shotguns are limited ICly to specific ranks or divisions. There's no non-lethal ones, but all in all these get deployed in officer threat of life situations.
Well, I've seen multiple occasions of unlawful use of force against inmates that seem to be normalized in prison like when a fist-fight fight breaks out, for instance, or when there is no reason at all as the original poster stated. Instead of using less lethal options like batons and tasers, shotguns were used. If the usage of less-lethal shotgun would be preferred, then the script should be added accordingly.
20 hours ago, KimeyBear101 said:This bring me onto my other point of "SADOC does not correctly portray the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation". You are right! We aren't trying to be like an IRL department. Just like SD/PD/MD aren't either.
PD and SD have explicitly stated in their faction pages that they aim to portray their counterparts, the LAPD and LASD. PD has put a lot of emphasis in doing so as far as I know. SADOC should do the same to a certain extent. By portraying, I don't mean everything has to exactly be 1:1, but general aspects of CDCR should be taken into the faction's lore and everyday roleplay.
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Yeah, this was not a good update, lol. Why can't I buy foods can 24/7s?
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This is definitely a roleplay quality concern from the faction.
SADOC does not correctly portray the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. Look at their pinky hairstyles, lol. Which department would allow that? And correctional guards do not carry shotguns around, even less lethal. Also, as far as I'm concerned, correctional guards do not really provide any good roleplay to the inmates. They only do their jobs robotically —they take inmates, incarcerating them and done, nothing else—. Also, lethal shotguns against suspects? How is that not changed yet? They don't really provide any passive roleplay, conversations or interactions with an inmate like a real life guard probably would. Additionally, they also do unrealistic events like go-kart or parade (lol, what).
Overall, I think the roleplay quality should be improved.
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Patrol resources management is an IC issue. Maybe it is because you are the only one committing a crime at a specific period of time, so all available cops just respond to the call. If there is another armed robbery in progress, then definitely the patrol watch commander should allocate resources more efficiently and ensure there is a response to them.
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Shooting tires is an invalid police tactics in the United States due to risks of injuring civilians or damaging properties. LSPD and LSSD have stated in their faction pages that they aim to portray their counterparts, the Los Angeles Police and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Departments, so they should change the policy.
This is something that I think Legal Faction Management should deal with +1
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This discussion is not about PD, but it's about PD. You say the server should, and I quote; "Work with the criminal role-players to amend the rules and expectations of criminals in the server, in a way that both encourages roleplay but also, a certain amount of action in the server." as if illegal roleplayers on this server are the ones at fault for the underlying PVP problems when PD/SD mostly contribute towards it. Again, I did and still see a lot of efforts from some staff officers in improving the roleplay quality, but my point still stands. When I was trying to roleplay a rollover realistically during a pursuit, a training officer told me that "no one cares, and they will be pissed of. OOC reputation is as important as IC reputation". I can give you at least 3 more examples to show how most LSPD faction members on this server just want to shoot and chase criminals rather than roleplaying or developing their characters. You know this if you truly have 15 years of roleplay experience.
My actions the day I resigned do not mean anything because it was all IC, and I left the faction in good OOC terms. I frankly don't care what you think of me as a person because that is irrelevant. I was merely giving my opinion to the issues of the server. I may have not been involved in roleplay communities for as long as 15 years like you, but law enforcement roleplay is my thing. I do not have to be in the faction to see how PVP oriented PD/SD are. You don't have to be ignorant to this issue.
You were right I wanted to be apart of this community, which is why I even submitted a new application to the faction. But after learning some truths about this community, I'd rather not, so I thought I might as well give an honest feedback about PD to other criminal roleplayers out there.
Good luck trying to improve the community. I also did see a lot of efforts from you, but maybe you should recognize your own issues as well.
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RPis a PVP server with some roleplay aspects. 60% RP, 40% PVP.If server management really wants to increase the roleplay standards, they should strictly enforce portrayals.
- Character Portrayals : Characters, simply, should make sense, think like as if it was in real life. A lot of poor examples in LSPD includes a 25 years old Police Cadet who owns 2 exotic sport cars, a field training officer who is also a mechanic at LSC at the same time, wow! And a command/staff officer who owns a whole ass corporation. Not only in LSPD though, there is quite a lot more of other examples.
- Gang Portrayals : Lore should be based on gangs in Los Angeles County. As of now, it seems like people can create whatever gang they want, buy the fastest cars to maximize their PVP experience rather than finding something fitting for their character.
- Map Portrayal : Los Santos is Los Angeles. San Andreas is California. Why do I see random weird decorations and Spanish flags around the map?
Although I called out some people in LSPD faction, I have sheer amount of respect for their leadership (some staff officers), I really do. I can see that some of them are really experienced in roleplay. And although I'm not in the faction anymore, I can notice their efforts in improving the roleplay quality.
If you ask me? Changes should start with legal factions. They are the core of the server. If the roleplay standards from legal factions are not that good, not much can be expected from illegal RPers either.
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On 9/30/2021 at 2:31 AM, isBrainDed said:
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AKA. make this folder work.
Policy Of Adding Every Charge And Length Of Prison Times.
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Nah. If anything, they should be longer. Detective RP is almost non-existent because who would spend their time investigating a battery to only charge the crim for less than an hour? lmao. Stop evading every time you run into cops if you don't want lengthy prison time.