mexicanwave
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Imagine trying to take advantage of a gang being disbanded only to for it to come back and bite you in the ass..., then crying on the forums...
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25 minutes ago, HighTV said:
For clarity: No one is required to remove members over this, they just cant recruit past 40.
I find this topic very weird because there are issues with Criminal RP, but only really recent changes are mentioned and none of the actual 'Long term' issues have been addressed.
99% of people complaining about crime RP are looking for a way to justifiably shoot each-other again without catching a report. Shootouts have been slowly removed over time and the majority of criminals on this server love shooting. They use to reliably just hit drug labs in a circle over and over and find a shootout, but now the labs are essentially empty.
Adding script support that forces player to player interactions among criminals is a key way of providing justifiable shootouts. For instance the drug 'steroid' gives you a benefit of speed when consumed giving it a "player to player" trade value. This sort of player to player interaction is what criminals need in my opinion.Did you not read the post or just comment as soon as you saw who posted? He mentions script support, or a lack thereof, as a primary reason for stale crim RP.
Also saying that 99% of people just want to shoot discounts all the RP that goes on within gangs, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The new war rules aimed to create an environment that encourages RP over endless shootouts, and I think the majority of people involved were happy with that. Claiming that 99% of people who don't agree with you "are looking for a way to justifiably shoot each-other again without catching a report" is disingenuous and patronising.
You mention that the post doesn't address the "long term" issues with crim RP. Why not bring these up yourself rather than simply shitting on the post just because you have a grudge against the person posting.
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2 minutes ago, kris giggs said:
Integrity is something that you obviously lack, it's an obvious paradox you're stating things that are self-contradictory meaning you don't stand behind what you say, it's having an opposite effect, you want to get the rule removed because it gives you no leniency yet when it comes to you getting robbed you impose it blindly, I do not expect you, your leader or anyone else reading this to understand, but the neutral parties surely will. I'll avoid replying anymore since some people are using the thread to unleash their pent up frustrations and I do not want to be a part of it, I hope your voyage to improve your perception of criminal roleplay goes well.
Rich coming from a gang that moaned about smaller gangs using cops then proceeded to do exactly that.
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1 minute ago, kris giggs said:
The core issue is that you don't believe what you say, you've no backing of it and emotions oftenly cloud your opinon, I am quite surprised by the amount of people getting heated over what I said, but to get back to the discussion can you please explain why you question the new robbing rule yet use them benefit firsthand, and then again speak about OOC barrier and restrictions, hypocrisy.
Are you saying just because you disagree with a rule you can't report someone for breaking it? We've had a number of members be punished under the new rules, why should we judge ourselves by different rules than everyone else. If we have to follow the new robbery rule so should everyone else.
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1 minute ago, Icarus2766 said:
I am saying of course you will have to have your IC reason to keep FM happy but the real reason is you don't want anyone having official and the benefits that come with it, like come on dude every single gang that got official you declared war on since you formed your version of the council
That's ridiculous, the WCA war is the only war where we have had to give FM a reason for going to war. We have had strained relations with WCA long before they became official, so saying that we only went to war because the had official shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Furthermore, Rooks lasting a pretty long time with official before we went to war with them, again for a number of actual reasons, not just because they had official.
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4 minutes ago, Icarus2766 said:
You advocate their growth until they get official or close to then you declare war? I never understood why you guys pretend that isn't the case when literally all the evidence is right there. Of course you make up IC reasons then give impossible demands to force them to have to fight like with WCA and Rooks and Wanted etc, no point dancing around it anymore The council ruin criminal RP on this server not improve it
So just because you don't know the IC reason you're assuming that we didn't have one?
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3 minutes ago, mikebumbum said:
i mean just to put this into perspective here one of our guys sold 1 gun under the councils ''market price'' and instead of having some interesting RP with that you guys decided it was this huge fuck up and gave our gang 2 options pay 2 million or fight us as we were not official yet and still building we wanted to enjoy our RP so we just paid you the 2 Million wow that was such great RP. I've heard Triads didn't even have the 6 mil in their treasury that they were asking from us to stop the war some people aren't here to RP and it really shows. You only see it in your shoes but realistically you guys don't want anyone to enjoy crim RP other than yourselves.
This is why we went to war with you guys. You fucked up over and over again, then you fail to realise how you fucked up.
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2 minutes ago, Icarus2766 said:
By fuck up you mean by actually making a RP heavy gang and working hard then getting official? Lmao
You are being very disingenuous using NLA as an example for what you are claiming
Please explain how i'm being disingenuous.
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11 minutes ago, kris giggs said:
It's a repeated pattern, it's not really hard to see, how many gangs have gotten the chance to become official over the last year or so and had fallen to mega alliance of then 2 and other smaller groups trying to make names for themselves by helping the council, now 3 gangs. Well, since I already see the 'it's an IC alliance through IC interactions' argument coming in I doubt there's any other argument to why criminal RP is so stale. You speak so highly of nurturing roleplay and allowing small gangs to flourish just to end them once they get ends to meet. Realistically, I see so many gangs leaders that give these in-depth roleplay situations and outcomes but they do not fall under them. A lot of paradoxes are also present, you eliminate every gang due to 'IC reasons' and remove your only source of roleplay and then go to the forums and ask for updates and more criminal activities, the rules have limit gang roleplay to be exclusively gang roleplay and not the council robbing people at clothing stores since they've nothing better to do. I understand, you want to stay on the throne for as long as you can, I am completely fine with that, but with that also come realistic issues that are going to effect your gang, you imply the only roleplay that comes out of this server is either robbing, chopping cars or making drugs, ridiculous. I've tried corner selling drugs before and it was the most fun I've ever had on the server, with a new player as well. Make an actual drug chain, not the one you use for a thread to look nice for FM but an actual, functioning chain, traffic people, steal cars and ask for ransom, interact with the admin cartel more oftenly, you create your own roleplay. Imagine a world where two gangs allow another startup to grow so much where they are strong but can still be swept just to leech off the months of work they put in because you let them, take their members, grow even more and keep repeating that. I heard someone say if you can't beat them, join them, that's the stupidest shit ever, where is the fun in that, or should I say, where is the roleplay in that?
Bottom line, if you want 'ruined state of criminal rp' to turn into 'nerf criminals they've way too much roleplay' actually roleplay, I just now understand how bad the Rooks and Wanted go it, everyone turning against them, but it'll keep repeating if you don't want to change it, the devs can't help with that. All of these restrictions being imposed are to improve roleplay, not to ruin your experience, it's a ying yang thing, but at the end of the day you get the worse side of it since some people just don't like using /me's and /do's.
i think it's quite clear you don't know what you're talking about. NLA, a gang which is now part of the council grew in environment where they were fighting us DAILY. We have been at war with them a countless number of times. They stuck it out rather than their leader abandoning them to run back to PD, and eventually grew to where they are today. They earned our respect through resilience and resistance rather than conformity like you suggest.
There has been no attempt to create a counter-council, Rooks and Wanted had the perfect opportunity to do that, hell, WCA had that opportunity too. It feels like we're being punished for other people being clueless.
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9 minutes ago, HighTV said:
I could not disagree more this post more.
Your main three points explaining the issues with 'The Ruined State of Criminal RP' are- New robbery and crime limitations
- Faction Management
- Criminal Faction Member Cap
I think the new robbery rules made more Meaningful crimes by eliminating many of the petty meaningless crimes. It was at the point where gunshots next to the bank didn't get any attention, because it was nonstop and people were desensitized. Now crimes carry more 'impact' socially when done because they are not happening constantly. Its much more relatable to real life.
Personally I confused as to why you would even list the faction management team who spends a ton of time out of their days helping us and the community. Official factions need regulation and proposing that their regulation is an issue... is an issue...
The new 'Criminal Faction Member Cap' will hopefully spread out some of the veteran RPers and allow for more official factions than we currently have. It will also give smaller criminal organizations a chance against the will of a 120 man alliance with script support.You could spread out veteran RPers by creating a gang good enough for veteran RPers to want to join.... You should try that sometime.
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+1 I've lost all my motivation to play which sucks considering the time myself and others have put into Triads.
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Love the idea and the thread! If yous stick to the plan and don't become just another car based gang yous are set to become a really unique faction! Wishing you guys all the luck and can't wait to see yous around.
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+1 a phone update is much needed. Really well thought out suggestion, you can tell a lot of time was put into it.
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+1 increase the amount of damage taken from crashing without a seat belt significantly to encourage people to wear them.
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+1 I think the cap should be removed with faction management taking up the responsibility of ensuring that factions maintain recruitment standards.
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15 minutes ago, Marca said:
The only system that actually had a big impact and actually worked was the coma system. It was boring as hell since you had to AFK for 15 minutes, but it did work. That system needs to come back, but in a different way (like being locked inside the hospital and potentially RP with medical staff or other patients). 5-10 minutes of that would be enough. To make it more fair, it would only apply if you were downed for less than 2 minutes. It should make people think twice before running it down mid into a gunfight.
I like this idea, creates new RP possibilities aswell as "punishing" people for dying.
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+1 probably the most frustrating rule break alongside DM, since you have to wait 15 mins for the person to be able to report.
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14 minutes ago, Aldarine said:
Also I highly advise keeping tabs on the development channel in the Discord. You can see that the criminal players have not been forgotten and I hope this gives you hope for what is to come.
I do appreciate what NBDY posted today, but this is the first crim focused post in the development channel in a very long time. You say this as if there are frequent teases of changes.
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10 minutes ago, Aldarine said:
People have been informed that this is an IC issue by staff members. There is nothing more that can be said about it on an OOC platform as we all know that would be metagaming.
@mexicanwave - The laptop is IC. The market is IC. Saying anything about it OOCly ahead of time would be metagaming.
Thanks for the reply but I feel like this would have been better handled by simply informing faction heads that there will be an IC change to the laptop, and that details would have to be found out in character.
I really appreciate that staff are taking action to improving criminal rp and giving us more variety, I just feel like a bit more communication would be nice.
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Should a change to a vital system, like the laptop, not have been communicated earlier? Why did it take complaints about it being broken for someone to finally tell us it was deliberate and an IC change? That's some poor communication.
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