KurtLaser
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6 minutes ago, Loafism said:
But it is covered in the rules
"A no crime zone is an area where players may not commit any actions considered crimes."
A scam is a crime and thus by the rules it shouldn't be happening
This is the angle im coming from and I agree.
KoS was defined so that if you were in that situation, you wouldn't get a DM punishment as the act was validated. Now the rule is gone you cant do it.
Scamming should be defined under NCZ so that if you were in that situation, you wouldn't get a NCZ punishment as the act was validated. When the rule is gone you cant do it.
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13 hours ago, DaleGribble said:
You just gave me an example. Check the official rules PDF, there's nothing about KOS not existing. I've also just given you the example about NCZ scamming also. Only thing the rule book says is "crimes are not allowed in an NCZ" but this isn't valid because some crimes are: such as scamming.
The Official 2019 rules no longer contain anything to do with KoS. This means KoS no longer exists, it isn't a thing. KoS was a rule used to circumvent the DM rule, you could kill a player who robbed you for example, without any engagement because it was specifically stated you could do this in certain situations (If it wasn't stated, youd get a DM punishment). But this rule is now removed, so it no longer states you can just kill someone on sight with no RP.
The rule is simple now, if you kill somebody without a proper roleplay reason, its Deathmatch. Theres no situation detailed for KoS anymore, therefore you need to actively partake in roleplay with your victim before you would be able to find a valid reason to kill them, irrespective if they robbed you 30 minutes prior (The old ruleset dictated you could straight up kill this person without RP).
If what youre saying is the new ruleset now needs to say "Kill on Sight no longer exists" then that isn't needed. Simple common sense prevails. Old players should know that as the rule is no longer there, its no longer something you can do, and New players wont have ever seen it, so to them "KoS' never existed.
If scamming is currently allowed in NCZ, then this is something that needs to be addressed and I agree with you, scamming is a crime so 2 + 2 dictates you wouldn't commit it in a No Crime Zone. So yes this would need clarity and updating if scamming is allowed in NCZ's. Do you have any other examples though besides Scamming in a NCZ? I agree with that one, and maybe ill be able to agree and discuss with any others you can bring to the table..
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41 minutes ago, DaleGribble said:
I don't think it's just about things you can get banned for. There are official rules being enforced that aren't in the official rule guide - scamming in NCZ or the updated KOS rules for example. If you aren't awafe of these rules then that proves the point. They only exist in forum posts, not in the official published rule guide. When you consider how many new players are coming in its not right that the official rules aren't being kept updated in line with what's actually being enforced.
KOS doesn't exist anymore. The new rules dictate that you MUST engage in roleplay before killing anybody. The Scamming one I agree would need to be updated.
All im asking for is examples so others can contribute. I understand what you all mean when you say theres official rules being enforced that aren't in the the official rule guide - All I am asking is if you can give me specifics of those rules.
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15 hours ago, agentxyz2 said:
@Yputi Apologies if I misinterpreted your stance, I just feel that things are drifting further from the posed topic.
As noted in my OP, I'm simply asking if people believe Eclipse should disclose offenses that they have 'protocol to permanantly ban for'. For future posters reading, I'd appreciate a tighter focus to the topic. DM me if you want to continue the conversation. Cheers.
Well the AFK example given shouldn't need to be in the rules as its common sense.
Id be more than happy to give some input if you could give me some other examples of people being banned for things that aren't in the ruleset, and aren't simple common sense. People will struggle to give you an opinion without enough reference material on the topic.
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1 hour ago, Chris Bluestone said:
And thats why we are here to talk about that than if you pay your tickets you should not go to the Jail no metter how fast you go !
Its been explained for you already why that wont happen.
If you go 80KM/h over the legal limit, not only are you speeding, you add an actual criminal charge to yourself which is Reckless Driving. A Crime. Something the police will arrest you for.
That is separate from getting the speeding ticket, the speeding ticket is what you got for speeding, which you pay off. If you don't pay them in three days a warrant is issued as you owe money to the government and haven't paid what you owe. Reckless Driving pertains to HOW FAST you were actually going when you got the speeding ticket.
Get 10 Speeding tickets, none of them reckless driving, pay them within 3 days, no warrant will be issued.
Get 10 Speeding tickets, one of them is reckless driving, warrant issued for the crime. Pay your tickets within 3 days and you wont be issued a warrant for NOT PAYING THE TICKETS.
But your completely separate charge of reckless driving isn't going to change, as that's a criminal action, not a civil action which is what speeding tickets are.
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3 minutes ago, Maddog97 said:
Not paying a fine full stop is a criminal offence and can be punished by imprisonment in the UK (And still be made to pay it when you're released!). I've seen it happen first hand to friends over here, not paying fines results in incarceration almost all the time. Especially if it's amounting to such a high figure.
Like I said to them, don't drive stupidly around NCZ's and you'll not have a problem, I've paid a fair bit in speeding tickets on my first day or two but after that I am lucky to get one fine a day now in the game.
Maybe even a system where the drivers have licenses revoked after so many fines in the game would be a lot better. As I said to Chris Bluestone, there's 100's of ways to vary this type of subject.Same here, ill get one a day maybe, maybe two if im feeling like Mark Cavendish when I break my BMX out.
But its always my own fault, put my limiter on too late, or don't pay attention to where I am and then fly out the tunnel at MD, braking when you realise its too late. I just see no reason to complain about it, as its always my own fault because im the only person in control of my vehicle.
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Theres a difference in the charges you are receiving.
A Speeding Ticket which falls under the speeding category (Within 80KM/h of the speed limit) will get you a fine that you need to pay within 3 days. If you don't pay it within three days then a warrant is issued for your arrest.
A Speeding Ticket which falls under the category of Reckless Driving (Over 80KM/h above the speed limit) is a crime. So you will receive your speeding ticket, and youll also receive your sentence for committing a crime.
Getting a standard speeding ticket isn't a crime unless you leave them unpaid. Its a civil matter. I still struggle to understand how people see this system as bad? Or broken? The system works and stops people from speeding, if people are leaving the server because they were racking up thousands of pounds in tickets and then cant afford them, that's IC and up to them to stop driving like idiots.
In the UK youll receive a fine and points on your license for a speeding offence. But once it gets above a particular speed it becomes a dangerous driving offence (What is reckless driving here), youll need to go court, fight your battle and hope they don't take your license off you and give you prison time and a fine to go along with it. The systems realistic, and it works.
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53 minutes ago, Chris Bluestone said:
1. Yes they leave because when they they are not NewPlayer anymore everyone start thinking about to rob them . Last time when I got rob was 2-3 weeks ago so its depend how you play .
2. Non-RP situations I can see all the time in almost every single robbery . One of the reason why they leave because they rob them with out any reason ? Because they have a gun ?
Its not a reason to rob a people than I have a question where is your Fear RP ?
3. Fishing off the pier - Thank you the Admins they fix this thing . So you are able to find really good place to fish and its perfect now . So this would not be the reason why people leave it but yea °need to be carefully and watch out when you sell them . !!!!!
4. Like every single Player who join in server he think he can go and do Drug Runs and be one of the coc dealers in town but no.
Every single Lab is down by one of the gangs and its should be like that . Where can you see IRL than some kid is running around the labs by making they own drugs ?
If we look on that from this side .
For last days I been checking out labs and see every time than there is someone who is new in server and doing drugs , its kind a okey for him but he should know than its kind a illegal and can get robbed or killd .
What I'm saying to every single guy who join just a server than the Lab-Drug runs is not the best way how to start this server , before try other job and get know how this server works and than only start something like that .
Also the gangs is not the best for new players because they destroy him . Show him the wrong side of way how to make Roleplay .
There is a lot of reason why people leaving this server . But if we talk why they really leave than these ones are one of the top
ICly its up to the player to be smart.
When I first arrived in the city, I would get robbed all the time. But I wouldn't get robbed for anything because id hide my vehicle/items. This meant that if I did get robbed (I could talk myself out of this at the pier most occasions RPly), they wouldn't get anything, maybe a few fish, and they would move on. RPing is the details, living the life of your character, if you know youre going to get robbed a lot before you get contacts in the city, then put yourself in a position where you aren't going to lose much.
I eventually met up with one of the major gangs in the city, who invited me to run with them. But this was all progression, my characters story building due to the time spent/actions taken/relationships built in the city. Do I ride around with a lot more to risk now? Ofcourse, but its due to saving money when I was new, and now having the security of a family so I can spend the money that I kept safe. If people keep leaving the server because "Getting robbed all the time and losing all my stuff", in my eyes they aren't here for roleplay, because if they were theyd realise that this was an IC scenario to continue on from, go to the police, try find people to help you. Quitting the server would be the last thing on my mind.
Edit: I also don't understand what you mean when you say "The wrong side of roleplay". The only way you can roleplay wrong is if youre breaking server rules, and if youre insinuating that gangs bring new players in and just show them things that are breaking rules then you need to make reports about this. Roleplay is roleplay, if I wanted to play a ruthless gang banger who has no feelings of remorse and just wants to rob everybody I see, I can. Yea it sucks as a character but that's how it is. If I wanted to play a priest who stands around bank trying to convert people to my religion, I can. Roleplay is literally whatever you make it, theres no wrong way to roleplay besides rule breaking because its a character youre creating, its literally your imagination at play.
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Big respect to the admins, always answer my questions.
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Admins don't answer questions or help and loads of them are kids.
Your issue is that humans sometimes make mistakes? Would I be correct, because yea they do make mistakes, or make decisions that not everybody will agree with. I don't see the substance, I see a lot of statements but without much to back them up. Are you saying your Latvian friends left because they were waiting 1 - 2 hours for a report? Why shouldn't you be in an admin position under 20, I find this is to do with maturity. What do you mean by people not caring about new players? Theres rules set up to protect them. What do you mean by admins don't review reports correctly, do you know how they check evidence? Because I don't.
You've made a lot of broad statements but with no material to reference why your making the statement which makes it hard to understand where youre coming from.
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11 hours ago, Marchesi said:
My roleplay experience started around 2011 on a SAMP RP server (I still play on it), when I first joined the server I was a total noob and I really did not speak English - I kept looking for someone speaking Turkish so they could show me around and teach the basics. I was just a kid back then and I really was ambitious enough to keep trying to play on the server and learn English because I really liked it. I went ahead and started to write down some basic /me and /dos along with their meanings in my native language, read roleplay guides / rules in Turkish and kept trying to learn; until I came across another Turkish lad on the server who really helped me a lot to keep going on the server, learn the basics and have a rough idea of the server's boundaries. The more struggle I had in the server whilst playing, the more ambitious I got to keep playing and learn the language / how to RP better and now here I am as someone with 8 years of roleplay experience who held numerous precious positions on roleplay servers such as administrator, faction leader; currently holding a really high rank in PD on the same server, drawing myself a good image on Eclipse and studying English Language in the collage. All these were possible because I was really eager to learn the language / keep playing on the server and that I came across the guy who helped me in Turkish to get used to the server and keep trying.
Please give those new players a chance to keep going on the server and learn throughout time, that's the way to watch them turning into decent roleplayers on Eclipse. I mean, which one of us stepped onto GTA Multiplayer platforms as dope roleplayers? We all once were rookies - we all had our chances given and we got to become what we are now.
I believe adding this subforum is going to be really useful for aforementioned reasons and to create a friendly atmosphere as long as they are moderated properly by volunteers, if no suitable moderator is found - simply do not create a thread for the said language under the subforum. I think Eclipse's grown big enough to have this.
Im not saying everyone is instantly a "Dope roleplayer". But in my opinion good roleplay comes from a grasp of language, building stories and detail through communication. Having to learn a brand new language while trying to roleplay in it is counter intuitive. Being a rookie roleplayer is separate from not knowing a language, you can know a language and be a rookie roleplayer, you cant even be a roleplayer if you don't know the language (OOCly, ICly there would be methods with approval), thats why there are so many different language servers. Getting a semi decent grasp of the language first outside of the server will make their lives much easier instead of relying on finding an inhouse tutor.
Im not saying you need to be Shakespeare to roleplay. But I wouldn't move to Spain to become a Spanish teacher if I only spoke English.
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+1 Love anything that adds more risk to the experience.
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3 hours ago, Bistek said:
I had a really hard time understanding English when I first joined a RP server and guess what? They had a foreign subforum. It had only some randon chat, helpful tips and some minor things...someone over there, which was a Moderator, helped me a lot. Grammar basics, game mechanics, surroundings, even server rules.
A year later, I bacame one of the first Head Admins of SARP, a pretty successful server in SAMP's history.
By saying that you're just preventing people to actually LEARN. I would say this definitely needs an attention
Id probably learn a language before trying to roleplay in it.
Roleplay has a big learning curve itself, takes enough time to progress your character/story without learning another language at the same time. A subforum would end up just becoming an English classroom.
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28 minutes ago, Teca said:
And what to do with players with built in crosshair in their monitors which bought them long before crosshair got removed?
Understand that things cant always be 100% how you want them.
Much rather 95% don't have the dot than 0%.
This particular point is irrelevant anyway as its all to do with the trust placed in the community, and only the player themselves has that power to make a decision on whether to play fair or keep that Counter Strike mindset. Pretty sure somebody put up a report and had a dot on their recording and they were caught out majorly for it? (Could be wrong).
The other two points are still pertaining to a skill curve from the removal of the dot, which is exactly why it was removed.
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1. Youre right, we don't have a third person perspective. We have a first person perspective irl and if it makes you feel like a midget in game, that's unfortunate. But that's realism, buy a Red dot, go first person, enjoy your dot. Or just learn to shoot 3rd person without a dot.
2. Report them - nobody wants cheaters/exploiters on the server.
3. The situation is the same as previously. You still have to cater for the De-Sync, but you just don't have a dot. So you have to be more precise and learn via muscle memory where your shots will go.
Your points suggest you want it changed because removing the dot has greatly increased the skill curve when it comes to aiming, but that was the intended result.
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New Players, or any player for that matter shouldn't need material goods to have a great roleplay experience. I feel that should come with time after character development.
The more people that come to the city, the more money that's earned, the more expensive things become in the city. Increasing the amount of money everybody gets from salary/jobs would keep the situation exactly the same, but makes everything even more expensive as people have even more money to play with.
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Or grab your own rod from a store once you are experienced enough to catch fish from the poles at the pier.
That way you can seclude yourself wherever you want near water and stay safe.
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18 minutes ago, Scott Cleverley said:
It's unacceptable for police to punish you, but it's acceptable to go on criminal grind 24/7. *shrugs* Max sentence is 2 hours and that is nothing. I would agree with you, but then lets make jail time 3x longer, since 2 hours is a joke. You see the point here? Stop being on the constant grind, if you wanted to prove your innocence just stop when you're being stopped by the police and have a reasonable conversation. I have had few situations where I had to defend myself, police officers would come, you simply kneel and comply with them until they ask your side of the story, they will collect evidence rp'ly and will punish the one's who tried to pull something on you. Start complying and acknowledge government power in the server instead of complaining about your own fail rp.
Nobody is saying its unacceptable for police to punish you.
They are saying its unacceptable for police to punish you for crimes you actually haven't committed.
Theres a very large difference between both statements.
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44 minutes ago, Cappy said:
I believe I applied around the Thursday before last. I know my application wasn't some book or piece of RP art. It was a simple application, but I think certainly showed I am here to abide by the rules. Are we SURE these applications cannot face corruption or get lost in the system some how? If we're rejected that should also trickle down to our player creation screen correct?
Yea, when youre rejected the cooldown will start. So ingame it will either tell you that you need to wait to reapply, or it will be the quiz again if the cooldown has ended.
If you don't see this yet, then your application hasn't been looked at yet.
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11 minutes ago, fiddlefunk said:
So of course like so many others I am waiting for my application to be approved with no notification of its status and no information from the admins on when I might get my response. So aside from how disorganized and slow that process seems, there is also this rumor floating around that they are so slow because they are receiving "1000 applications a day," and I've even heard 5000 a day from some people. This seems like B.S. to me, something put out by the admins to excuse how slow they are at doing their jobs. If they are receiving this many applications per day, then how come the concurrent player number on their website hasn't shown any significant growth since I've started checking it two weeks ago? Surely, if they are so backed up with applications, then they would accepting some of these applications and the concurrent player number on the website would be growing daily. But it isn't, as of right now there are about 200 players online, which is no different from yesterday at this time, the day before that, and the day before that. These admins need to stop being so lazy and start getting more players into this server.
When I joined a couple months ago, youd have 70 players in the morning, maybe 140 - 200 in the evenings.
I have seen the server hitting 500+ recently. And when theres potentially 300 players in the city, that's 200 players right there just doing their applications, and if that happens all day, that's a lot of applications. Youll probably realise that all of these threads about waiting to be accepted have been coming in abundances over the past couple of weeks, probably struggle to really find many of them before then. My applications wait time for a response was between a few hours to 24+.
A lof of applications have more than likely been rejected, because the quiz isn't easy. But complaining about the admins and speculating that they aren't doing their jobs right seems a bit brash, when irrespective of your opinion on it, they are doing their best to try and rinse through the thousands of applicants they have. I don't know whos been streaming it, but literally one well known streamer going on a GTA RP server would instantly boom mass interest.
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2 minutes ago, Kai said:
The fact that they do want to get rid of the tickets and drive normally, proves that they do care about the RP. They want to go back to following the speed limits but they have no way to do so. This is our point here.
If they did want to pay them off, why didn't they pay them off when they were manageable?
Why let them get to an unmanageable state to be like, ah well I was going to pay these because I do care about RP, but there too high now so can somebody sort the speed cameras out please.
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10 minutes ago, Hartax said:
You'll need to wait 10 days if they have 1000 - 2000 applications per day. Last thing I heard is they received 5000 applications per day this week, which means you need to wait at least 1 month.
Be worth it though.
Citys going to be absolutely buzzing with life.
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21 minutes ago, NoobDude said:
Please tell me why is there ticket for speeding when there is no traffic?
Because people fly through NCZ at 200KM/h and cause accidents.
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