BobHammer

And you guys really seems neutral about it, clearly we all know how you earn your money in the server. But to be honest, there is not a single solid argument in your post, so it really doesn't deserve a reply.

To be honest, reason why I'm fighting here is: I've been playing since I was a child(over 10 years and tens of thousands of hours game time) and while I've been playing different roles in multiple servers, I have noticed that it has had a huge impact on my life: When I was 18, I had written more CV's and attended more job interviews than average person in his all life(or 3), it doesn't matter it happened in computer, the level was just so high that today's average CV looks poor comparing what we had to ring up to get the job. The time when we started writing essays in the school, I had already written more life-, gang/mafia origin stories than all of my classmates combined. And this is nothing compare to the visualization/imagination exercise, every day more than 10 hours of hard training, trying to visualize how situations would go in real life and then following imagination, this was one of the reasons why the level was much higher back then. We didn't just talk, we visualized every move we make'd to details and wrote it down with /me and /do cmds, so other players could read our emotions, body language etc. " Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. " We all know who said that sentence and if we look at great men like Einstein or Tesla, then we can see that they both told that most of their inventions have become because of great imagination. Tesla even trained his imagination when he was a child and you wanna know how? By closing his eyes and pretending to travel to another city, live another life, work different jobs, meet different people etc. Sounds a lot like we're doing in role play servers, isn't it? Exception being, we have a " little " helper named computer. So being able to train your imagination with pleasure of gaming at the same time is a big thing and we should treasure it more. People with great imagination car accomplish great things. This being, if change the imagination training aspect for pure action, it will be fun without gain. Real life aspect will disappear from the game, so you're imagination is not needed so much any more, but if everything is based on real life, you'll have to visualize what would be and in some point you have played through so much real life situation, interacted with so many people that one day if same situation presents himself in the real life, you know exactly what to do(or what not). If developers are ready to work for deeper level of role play, so will be the community and together we can make this server better and bigger than ever. And no, it'll NOT take for years, server just lacks good ideas, there are so many simple things to do what will make this server run much better and when developers are ready to listen, community is ready to share.

One more simple thing I want to add what is wrong with current robbing system, it is counter to donation system. If rules say I can be robbed when I get to 1k experience, why should I buy VIP what makes experience come 50% faster? Means I get to fish 50% less time before I get robbed. Skyline, this is true that criminals need more to do, but simple actions can make it happen, but the main goal here is to move target away from beginners who want peacefully enjoy the role play. There is job that require fire arms and men power, but fishing/farming shouldn't be one of them. Most of the experienced players targeting the beginners will result bad in the long run.

Read the all topic, if this server is real life based roleplay server, this is clear violation of rules and the solution is NOT to make NCZ. Clearly this topic is against you, because you feel threatened that your easy source of income will be gone and you need to think more to get money.

Yes. this is the question and I did asked it earlier and waiting for developers answer. But so far as owners try to decide which server it is, I can try to convince them that real life roleplay server doesn't have to mean no robbing, just some actions need to take place to make it all more realistic.

Level of roleplay I see disappoints me, I really hoped to continue on the same level sa-mp was. In old days if mafia wanted to get some money fishermen earn, they would have a good plan, go to the pier with 10 black cars, 20 men and told the fishers: Every fish you sell, we get 10%. This meant no other mafia or gang couldn't fuck with them, because they were protected and everyone was happy. What I see here is every civilian fearlessly thinks he's a badass criminal and shoots up one of the most public places for robbery without any plan what so ever. From here we can take the first idea: Only official illegal groups can rob high public places like farms, pier, other players would need admin approval (which is given depending on the experience of the group). Also, you can't do such difficult mission by yourself, minimum should be 3 players. Also, taking out firearm should be done with /me command, and you have specify where you take the gun. Big guns can be only taken from cars, house etc. If you guys think changing rules depending on such public places will ruin player robbing in this server, you really lack of imagination, there is so many ways and strategies to rob player, to be criminal and not to talk about simple updates you can add to servers functions to make criminals life more interesting. I've focused a lot of time to make SA-MP servers better and work more smoothly, so I know a thing or two about it. There is much to do to make this server a good role play server.

Actually I'm not frustrated, but worried for server. I have been with different big role play servers since the beginning of SA-MP, I have been administrator for my native country servers for years in overall and many of my developed ideas are still being used in Sa-mp servers today. I've seen situations like this and what they can cause in a long run, I'm not here to convince you that this situation is very bad for the server, I'm here to warn you what the consequences can be. Making it NCZ is not the only solution, if I know the team is ready to solve this problem, I'll give some good ideas. And what considers to new players who don't know the rules and what is worst of all, players who joined the server to cause trouble: Server quiz test is built in the wrong way, we also thought this kind of test is the best way to sort out good players, but years showed that it's not as effective as it could be and we developed a test that is easy to solve for player who has read the rules, but gives away clear intentions what players is going to do in server, why he joined etc. This gives, moderator who checks the test, more idea who is the character who is sitting behind the computer, because your in-game character is not the one breaking the server rules.

Again, you're telling me one of the requirements is to make friends if I want to play, what if I don't want to make random friends? I would like to know only one thing from developer/founder: Is this real life based role play server or cops and robbers based role play server? Getting answer to this question get's a conclusion for this situation and if I made a mistake, because I meant to join real life based server, what it looked to be.

Funny suggestion, don't play if you don't have friends or bring BIG GUNS to fishing, haha. This is roleplay at its best... There are other options to help to solve this problem, one you're suggesting is a war and there is only losers in war!

To be honest situation where it needs an army to protect wheat farmers and fishers is also non-RP, constant war at calm legal jobs is not by book. I could understand this situation happening around weed farms. But since it seems this is the way they want this server to be run, count me in. If developers really don't see what all of this brings and don't take action soon, people will turn to alternative servers.

In game reporting makes a lot of difference, haven't gotten single answer yet. So, let's get it straight: Getting robber average 10 times a day is normal by this " roleplay " server standards? I have played roleplay servers since SA-MP came out and I have to admit, I haven't seen so much Non-RP and rule breaking by server that calls himself real life role play.

I understand that people who abuse this system don't want change, but developers need to see where it takes the server in the long run. Eventually most of the people orientate for robbing public work places, which produces massive amounts of non rp, DM will lead to chaos and then it's very hard to say it's a role play server. It's far from IC problem, things are out of hand and continue to go worse. And BTW this is real life role play simulation server, not cops and robbers, some of us just want to role play different roles.

Non-RP and DM are not IC issues. These are not actually that not higher paying, if you consider all these robberies, it's lower paying. Fishing pier should be a place where you can meet other people and talk with them, not be in constant survival mode, weapon drawn,. Yesterday I had a situation where I was getting robbed, then robber was shot in the back, then that guy started to rob both of us, then 3rd guy game, shot 2nd guy and robbed all of us, does this sound like RP?? And farms are on the other side of the map, no cops around for miles, this is situation which produces a lot of Non-RP, DM and negative emotions. Many of the fishers and farmers are beginners also, things like this only push new players away. JackD, I understand that you don't want that to change, because you're one of the players who have found this easy and non-rp way to make money.

This is the reaction of a lot of people I know, but as this problem gets worse every day, they need to take action. So I suggest you to wait a little, I think it will be fixed quickly. Edit: Funny that both of these legal jobs suppose to be nice and relaxing, but they are more stressful jobs than illegal ones.

You really need to do something about robbing and DMing in such public places. Average you get robbed once in every 40 minutes and every other time robbers will kill you afterwards as well This is far from role play, robbing in front of 5-6 people(Not to consider that in roleplay sense that pier is full of people) in public place isn't something you would do in real life. People have figured out easiest way to make money is to rob where people work, but as more people start doing that, it will eventually ruin the server. I suggest you to make these places NCZ, robbing in such public places in front of a lot of people is far from RP, this needs to change before people start to leave. Robbers need to start thinking better places and ideas to rob people, so it would be so easy..