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There is no fear of death if somebody fights back or you get in a shootout with the police, there is no fear of spending years in prison. People go around without acting like there won't be consequences for their actions (because there mostly isn't, aside from losing your rights to gun ownership).
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10 hours ago, Wizzidy said:
A: Name change would be PG however not having the ability to expunge records, argue legality, and so on would also be horrible PG... this means if an officer doesnt like you, he/she can permenantly cripple your character with no legal recourse as has happened to quite a few people already. The policy is in fact CK or nothing.. even though a crime committed so many years ago would be able to be expunged by state law in almost every state, definitely in California, the whole thing is "selective realism" its "reality" to deny a gun crime by knowing a person's forum name because "cops wouldnt fall for a name change" but it is "too much" to consider somone has speant over a month without a single crime in the game and should be eligible or a charge removal... charge expunging exists for the exact reason it is needed in this server, because you can cripple somone for life over 1 thing and never give them a chance to change.
Proof that California does offer expunging of criminal records.
https://www.shouselaw.com/expunge-criminal-records.html
B: Also I have spoken with the government and I have spoken with PD and the chief warden of the DOC where I have maintained a job for over a month of RL time without a crime anywhere and have done nothing but serve the people of LS has spoken on my behalf, to which what was received was nothing short of a "We will never do that"...
I have spoken to the chief of police, I have spoken to the commissioner... I have used every route eligible while maintaining the cleanest record of anyone in LS. Not to mention the only reason I didnt CK is because I was told BY AN OFFICER that Name Change wiped criminal records, and I did it, now a month later I am expected to CK or face never-ending penalty?
Instead of assuming I have done nothing, ask, instead of just saying "court wont work" why not thinking of alternatives, I tried petitioning PD with the credit of the govt and a chief of the DOC and it yielded nothing because PD doesnt like to be wrong. I didn't always have a problem with PD btw, I only got this way because of this over-arching powergame... "5 hours in prison is too much for criminals they cant enjoy the game enough if they go to jail for a long time.... " same people "Killing a month of RL character development is the only way to expunge a crime where you never held a weapon and was slapped on you while unconscious in a hospital" seems good man... seems fun and fair... whos realism is this helping?
To keep this on topic, we need rights listed so we can use them. Right now rights are "Whatever PD feels like RPing at the time" and its not kosher... no courts is understandable it would be a shit show, but there should be some avenue of arguing against PD that is valid..... they are the only faction with the power to permanently ruin a character and yet they answer to not a soul.... no constitution is used... shit we havent heard miranda.... literally ever...I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of it somehow being powergame that there is no system in place to expunge records. The lack of legal resource is not the police departments fault and it's up to the government faction to put systems in place; if an officer is doing something wrong you are free to submit a report to their Internal Affairs division. Changing your name and calling it a "character kill" is powergaming and shouldn't be happening, it's such a fail rp system that is being abused. Having your record expunged is not a speedy process and shouldn't just happen because you decided you don't want to commit felonies anymore. IRL you may need to wait years, or it may never be expunged if the crimes you've committed are serious enough. Even if you succeed in having your record expunged you won't have your gun rights restored, you would require a Governor's pardon which is not a thing that currently exists on Eclipse.
You claim to have used every route available to you to have your record expunged but have seemingly only spoken with the police department about something that is not their jurisdiction or responsibility. You complain about receiving a "never-ending penalty" and yet you were the one who made the decision to break the law and get a criminal record, disregarding the simple fact that actions have consequences.
10 hours ago, Wizzidy said:my complaint is never with PD in general, it is with the acceptance that they should be an unchecked power. I don't agree with it, and it leads to a toxic environment. A lot of people hate PD... I do not, I RP with them more than most in game... but I believe they need to be checked.
Just looking at your posts has you crapping on their RP and policies, all because you got caught robbing a store a month ago.
Anyway OT: Government needs to write up various laws to cover important topics, and should IMO implement a system of pardoning ex-cons. Suggestions like these really ought to be brought up to them directly.
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15 minutes ago, Reckless311 said:
There is never anyone at City Hall when @CrowCargogoes there, which you probably missed in this conversation. So where is the recourse if you can never find anyone at City Hall?
Firstly, it's a response to Wizzidy who does nothing but complain about LSPD in every single thread.
Ofc there isn't going to be people at City Hall most of the time, it's a tiny faction. Rather than going to the building you are better off contacting them on the website via PM. https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/
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5 hours ago, Wizzidy said:
The legal system is basically "Whatever the cops feel like" and once they put charges on you, you serve time and can never get a job because you can't have it removed from your record, and even if you name change they OOC rp knowing your charges.
The name change system currently in place is completely powergame. CKs do not truly exist and many people will namechange to clear warrants and avoid tickets. An actual CK should result in at least a partial character wipe so it's not something you just do on a whim because it benefits you in some way.
5 hours ago, Wizzidy said:they have a policy where if they know you've committed a crime, you have to CK to remove it... even though IRL a sufficient amount of time could expunge it, or you could argue it legally, or you could have it sealed by the government or military.
I doubt that is their policy, it's just what everybody does so they can avoid the consequences of their actions. Putting a legal system in place would be a complete disaster from what I have seen of this community, so GOAT's post about prison and various other ideas is probably the best course of action.
Regarding expunged or sealed criminal records; in the state of California you cannot erase a criminal record from public view, instead the case is opened, the guilty plea or verdict withdrawn, and the charges dismissed. This would involve the court and a judge, which is an unlikely outcome on Eclipse. Sealing a record would involve petitioning the LSPD, then if not provided relief you would petition the court. Since people on this server (and you) have an issue with the LSPD I doubt you expect any results from petitioning the LSPD, and the court route is still no good.
There is a Certificate of Innocence and Certificate of Rehabilitation which both involve the court, so can't really do anything there. The only viable option would be receiving a pardon from the San Andreas State Government. Rather than bitching and complaining about the LSPD in every thread you should speak with City Hall about your concern.
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Barricades should be destroyable, spike traps need to be fixed at the same time.
If possible objects need to have a higher rendering distance.
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1 minute ago, BellamyJames said:
Sure, set them all to Stranger
My understanding is that you can't set multiple people as the same alias.
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On 5/29/2019 at 8:49 AM, mazen39 said:
i did a autohotkey
#IfWinActive RAGE Multiplayer XButton2::n return XButton1::m returnbut it's not working in game
why ?
#if WinActive("ahk_exe GTA5.exe")
Should work.
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3 hours ago, JayGamble said:
I agree to an extent for sure, but I still think certain weapons being actively used don't entirely make sense; the micro will always bug me.
If criminals weren't using SMGs and AK47s then I would agree that police would need to limit their loadouts more. Since police get shot a lot it makes sense that they would be authorized to use lethal force and more dangerous firearms.
I doubt swapping the Uzi for an MP5 would solve anything here either.
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1 hour ago, JayGamble said:
I never said heavy weapons don't exist, but they are not taken out in every routine stop, they are not slung around an officers back just because "it can be", they are also not carrying multiple large weapons, and in most situations you won't see these weapons being utilized in everyday scenarios.
I'll always be behind the idea of a "load out" when you pick and choose equipment based on some sort of point system, to help encourage balance, versus having everything in your cruiser, if you're the appropriate rank. I don't think criminals should be stronger than PD by any means, I just think that adding a bit of realism to PD equipment makes more sense.Appropriate equipment for the appropriate situation. Many criminals in LS are so extreme they would realistically be classed as terrorists and there would be more than just the local police department after you.
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Crime rate is so ridiculously high because there isn't any real fear of consequences. Everybody knows they can only be imprisoned for a couple of hours and that you can't die, so it doesn't matter what happens. People that shoot cops and kill people daily would have been shot dead, imprisoned for life, or sentenced to death long ago.
You just get to do whatever you want and have a city with a crime rate that far exceeds any country in real life, then OOCly complain about any advantages the cops have over you.
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The police IRL receive tips and 911 calls all the time. Unfortunately in a game where a majority of the server are criminals and there a few people willing to call 911 there needs to be systems in place for the police. Players are able to get away with shooting in public areas and getting into chases without the police even getting alerted, despite how unrealistic it is. Imagine if a large group of cars started chasing down a vehicle, ramming and brake checking it.. that's going to bring a lot of attention and the police would hear about it. Not here.
Hell when this attitude of always having to win and fuck the police is so predominant then maybe GOAT's idea of trading this suggestion for higher prison times is reasonable - if throwing you into prison for 8 hours got some of you to leave the server than that would be a huge win for Eclipse.
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Larger gangs that can handle larger shipments should have the ability to do so.
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26 minutes ago, Hoxton_Curry said:
your second point makes no sense to me
me use less word. you shoot cop big army gun and win. is no no. you rob fishy from man is no no.
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50 minutes ago, Hoxton_Curry said:
I believe it's quite stupid that there's a chance I will have to waste 2+ hours and my money over 30 AK shots (and yes 30 ak ammo is the usual amount you will very rarely get over 50 )
A 5% chance that it gets reported, which can be worked around as stated by the cops in this thread. Treat each import like the cops might show up, move quickly and use decoys if necessary. Think smarter and be a better criminal.
BTW, it's pretty hilarious that you complain about wasting hours to get something stupid powerful when most criminals go around robbing people for things they also spent time acquiring. Why do people like you and OP believe you should have complete control over a situation and have to right to always win? If you get caught take the loss and get better.
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They recently had Support Staff applications open. Any mods/admins will presumably be promoted from the support team. There has been an influx of new players but that doesn't necessarily make older players more suitable or desirable for staff positions; new staff need to be gradual or there will certainly be issues.
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1 hour ago, TheCanadian said:
there is nothing in our power we can do to prevent this from happening
because of a mechanic i had no power to prevent, no matter how much i could try.
You can't plan for and control everything in life. You wouldn't have much influence over some cartel that operates out of Mexico nor knowledge of any snitches or undercovers in their group. People might also notice things happening IRL and call the cops because they are concerned, but that doesn't have much chance to happen because there isn't many people living in the city.
5% is a tiny chance and you should just treat each smuggling operation as if the cops might turn up.
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4 hours ago, Hopecandy said:
Just rp it? Oh and if you do it wrong there is a chance that you can dislocate your thumb, so..
This is mostly for cases where you get kidnapped and dumped in the middle of nowhere with zipties. Having to run around to find somebody to get the zipties off (with a lockpick?????) before you can do anything is ridiculous.
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It's possible to break out of them as long as they're tight enough, just have to hit your arms against your body in a specific way and they will break if you do it right.
Make a timer so they can't break for some time, then allow them to attempt to break the zipties which takes a couple of seconds and announces what you're doing in /ame.
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Let use use payphones around the map and add phones to gas stations for us to use at a low cost, free if calling 911. Useful if your battery is stolen and you get dumped in the desert.
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2 hours ago, GOAT said:
I think there are two things we can take as fact here, no criminal wants to go to prison and the two hour limit on prison doesn't deter people from committing very serious crimes quite openly. There is a carefree attitude towards prison, because all things considered in a couple hours, you're free to do whatever you like again and if you are a donator, an hour and a half.
I've seen arguments about DOC being small and prison being an AFK zone, but don't you understand that if we keep the max time at two hours, that is NEVER going to change. Corrections from the outside looks really boring, because half the time prison is empty. Prison roleplay is boring because there aren't enough people there to make it worthwhile roleplaying inside prison.
Here is an example of how stupid the current system is. Flint Carwyn went to prison the other night for the maximum time. After he was imprisoned, Zetas kidnapped a cop and held him hostage, for the release of Flint. By the time the situation was finished, Flint was free. It was a waste of time for everyone involved, yet if Flint was in prison for 4 hours or 6 hours or whatever, there would be more on the line there.
People assume that PD just want to fuck criminals over but the truth of it is, we rely on you guys committing crime to do our thing. Without you killing each other or trying to evade, we have very little to do.
There is also the fact that once you are in prison, you can pretty much commit whatever crime you want and you won't really see any further consequence. DOC should have the ability to give you early release for good behaviour or extend your original sentence by some if you commit crimes in jail.
Investigations Casefiles on people can take days, even weeks to build but when the pay-off is an hour or two in prison, what is the actual point?
I've never been in a roleplay server where there was a functional and practical court system, so asking for a judiciary is little more than a pipe dream. It's just too time consuming and like the Investigation Casefiles, wouldn't be worth the time it would take to process everything for a small sentence.
This also makes visitation more worthwhile, as there is more opportunity to visit people, the longer they are in prison.
So, here's what i'm suggesting..
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Prison time stays capped at two hours if you don't have any serious or gun-related felonies.
This would mean that for charges like Reckless Operation of a Motor Vehicle, you'd still only get a max of 2 hours, even with say, multiple counts of Reckless Operation.
However, if you had felonies like Murder, Kidnapping, Drug/Firearm Trafficking then the two hour limit wouldn't apply.
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Prison time would be capped at up to four hours on your first time being charged with serious felonies and up to six hours if you'd committed serious felonies before.
This would soften the blow a little for first timers to get used to the system but also, for those that are persistent offenders, it would serve them with adequate punishment for their crimes.
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Prisoners could be released early for good behaviour when they've served 80% of their sentence by DOC.
For example, this would give someone with a 5 hour sentence the ability to be released after 4 hours.
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Prisoners could have their original sentence increased by up to 20% if they commit crimes in DOC.
DOC won't be able to add extra charges in the MDC but they'd have to document the increase with evidence as to why obviously.
For example, this would give someone with a 5 hour sentence, up to a potential six hour sentence if they committed criminal acts in prison.
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Add a prison job that allows felons to make money in prison and also, allows them to have something to do.
Obviously this would have to be less than the normal jobs, as it's prison but it gives you something else to do and allows you at least some progression. The job could be things like creating those ready meals for prisoners or sewing mailbags or some shit.
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Add in a Punishment Appeal type-system that is ran by non-Law Enforcement high ups in the community to allow prisoners to appeal for wrongful arrest.
The thing these court systems seem to get wrong is expecting every arrest to be put before a judge.
The best way to do it would be after you have served your sentence but if it was proved that the imprisonment wasn't legit, the Police Department would have to compensate the person and within the PD, the responsible officer would be subject to disciplinary measures.
The reason why I suggest after is because it's very rare that an arrest isn't correct but obviously with the investigations bureau, there is more opportunity for mistakes to be made.
No point having a new prison interior if there's no one in there to make use of it.
I've actually mentioned some of these points before (little in this thread, some more as part of a Judicial thread) to little point. I don't really agree with the original suggestion which I believe is why discussion on how it can be done is important. It's more useful to have a final suggestion in the original post rather than expecting staff to read all 5 pages.
A new suggestion thread that approaches things a little differently may be better than trying to change the original suggestion, and I think your post pretty much sums it up.
The comment about criminals seeing police as fun-wreckers is pretty much spot on and it sucks that it's the general opinion. Police are incredibly important to server health and so are criminals, though the balance is a little off. Implementing systems that improve that balance and make all aspects more fun for people involved are always good.
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Prison time stays capped at two hours if you don't have any serious or gun-related felonies.
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3 hours ago, alexalex303 said:
I don't think you have a lot of experience with getting robbed by a gang.
You can not break out of zipties as of right now, so adding the ability, different discussion. Call a friend? or the cops? They took your phone battery too. For no reason, it's $150, just to do it. Lost items, shit happens. Right, so why can shit happen that someone loses something they worked for, for 8 hours, and that's shit happens, but when the same person is made to go to jail for 8 hours, that's suddenly unreasonable?
A gun costs ~$5000 now, and if they break into your car, you could have a spare there, that's $10000. Taking out your vehicle is $500 from the parking garage, but how much is it from Mors? Oh, another couple thousands. Pair that with the bobby pins to break out of zip ties, with the phone battery, one/two guns and we're talking $20,000.
Plus if you were doing a job like fishining, mining, trucking, or any other job? That was interrupted for hours. Shit happens, just not to the criminals, they are exempt?
The idea is simple, if criminal action makes someone lose x amount of time from their activity/progression, how is it unfair to expect the criminal (if caught) to also lose out in activity/progression?
You brought up zipties, so I countered that. It's relevant to the fucking discussion and you're complaining and saying it shouldn't be discussed here. I'll bring this one up here too because it's fucking relevant, add in phones around the map and at stores. You get kidnapped and dumped somewhere, phone battery stolen? Run for 5 minutes and you can call 911. It isn't taken for "no reason" by the way, they don't want you to call the cops on them. IRL they would take your phone but they don't have that option here. Somebody worked 8 hours without thinking "I should probably go to the bank or store these items somewhere"? When I applied for a gun license it asked how I would securely store my guns; it's the same way I store all my items. I put them into my Warrener then store the vehicle in the garage. People get robbed in real life and there are people who don't even lock their front doors then stand there looking like an idiot wondering how somebody could have possibly stolen from them.
I've been robbed multiple times and each time only lost around $3000 with the exception of the time I had a gun that cost me $8,000. IDGAF because it's not about winning and losing, it's not about becoming the richest knob in the city. You want to reduce crime in the city then fix the actual issues instead of just slapping a big OOC punishment on people. But hey I guess I could rewatch the entire LOTR Extended Edition everytime I go to prison.
People do lose out by getting a long prison sentence even if it counts while offline. While in prison you're not making money or progressing in anything. Them being online for that period or offline makes no difference except they have to sit at their computer and watch four 120 minute long movies. Some people can only play an hour or two each day so eight hours could mean a week of nothing to do. I'll say it again 8 hours online should only be a consideration if Judicial exists. The police shouldn't have that power.
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2 hours ago, alexalex303 said:
Don't straw man me. What about the time that it takes him to find someone to cut the zip ties that were added for no reason? What about the time it takes him to get to Mors without a vehicle? What about the time it takes him to get the money to retrieve the vehicle, and replace the lost items? Is that offline time as well?
Then add the ability to break your own zipties? Once you're out of zipties you call a friend for a lift, or the cops to report the kidnapping and get a lift into town. Time to get the money to retrieve the vehicle? It's $500, you get that just by being online. Lost items? Shit happens, it's only a bit of money. At worst they steal your gun (you should only have one on you). As people have stated you can easily hit max prison time for multiple counts of misdemeanours. Any time I make a suggestion it gets ignored or one thing gets picked out and disagreed with.
It's not reasonable to expect people to spend what is equal to a day of work/school inside a prison cell. 8+ hours should require a Judicial faction to actually sentence you, and if time counts down while offline you could look at locking a character up for days. Give people the option to play some of those hours and sleep off the rest, or play a different character. Having a lot of people in prison with extended sentences could have good roleplay potential but there needs to be enough people inside, enough guards, and actual things to do.
How often do stolen cars even get scrapped anyway? In my experience it gets used in a few robberies or driven around until it runs out of fuel. Scrapping isn't worth it most of the time.. a few thousand bucks split between a big group of people, or if you go alone then another gang will come rob you anyway. The issues need to be resolved through multiple complex systems which will pit gangs against each other, reduce crimes committed against civilians, and provide better opportunities for all players. Gang points, drug system changes, reduced access to assault rifles, enforced gang rivalries through control of smuggling operations (through points), Judical faction, etc.
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3 hours ago, alexalex303 said:
wait 3 hours for his car to get back to Mors
That's 3 hours, not 3 hours playtime. What's wrong with increasing prison times but allowing the timer to tick down while offline?
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Great. There's also water coolers in various places like Mission Row and Pillbox we should be able to use. +1
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Posted · Edited by Linden
Ah yes, a post created prior to the introduction of a law regarding masks should reflect the current penal code. My bad.
Moron.