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Jorden Sperry
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3 hours ago, hrxvey said:
hey man, coming across a bit toxic, leave that out of my suggestion please
yea you right g, I could of been a bit more professional with it, shits just annjoying thats all lol
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Devs and those in charge please drop your discord below, I'm willing to have a productive conversation with you guys to help make the server better. This is strictly constructive criticism and no slander; I'll discuss different aspects of the server that strongly need improvement to better everyone's experience. This is me genuinely trying to help the community and make ECRP a more fun experience, please don't take this the wrong way, but I believe there can be positive changes done. I have a list of ideas that I think will strongly benefit the server, I hope you all will hear me out.
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This is kind of a silly suggestion but sometimes forums do be entertaining, seeing some reports, it makes you wanna react to them so I just thought it would be fun to be able to react to them again.
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14 minutes ago, Bala said:
I dunno about that dawg.
The moral high ground is nice and everything, but it does get a little old after a while. This whole be the change you want to see schtick doesn't really work does it?
When the sum of their explanation of the injuries is /do broken back then what do I as a cop do there, I ain't got no ambulance and I can't let you force your own death. There's nothing in the BLS bag for that, best thing I could do is get the tire iron out of the car and end your suffering but that's an OOC violation.
I hate to break it to criminal role-players but it ain't meant to be balanced. It's supposed to be weighted in our favour some what. You have the advantage before you do something, while you doing it it's equal and when you've done it it's in our favour.
If you put in next to no effort in your medical roleplay, you are getting minimum requirement from me in terms of medical roleplay back. If you want to get into some Grey's Anatomy with me though then I'll meet that level.
Give what you get back.
Also, no cop paying for their cars and guns and shit like it's Warzone, you need to stop with that shit lol.
100% all for what you said about that give what you get back, but tbh if people paid for their own shit, they'd value their assets and chracters more and just wouldn't be absolute units. Like no way you should be fighting a 1v8 cause you have ap and think your invincible, they should at least be able to lose that shit and they'd be more responsible with the guns and gear given to them. The heroic acts are getting out of hand now.
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25 minutes ago, Marlon said:
Dezzy man that was not the point there are many cops that know and you yourself know that can improve the RP I can show you almost every medical instance of RP that I've done with cops that has been thorough I've never rushed Medical RP, PD RP, Criminal RP even when I'm robbing someone and I'm in risk of getting robbed. Maybe not every crim that does it but, LEO Factions are held at a higher standard then, just people that play as a criminal in that definitely is in faction rules. Everyone can improve on RP but, if one make the change then, others will. And no one said to force death, if you roleplay each injury most likely person would die or they would be very close and they wouldn't be as made as they get a /cpr after one /me and /do
+1 if anything rushing medical rp forces rp more than completing to like it should be done, your getting forced to go to jail because someone rushed rp, rather than dying naturally, while getting rp'd on correctly.
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On 8/7/2022 at 5:41 PM, XeV said:
1. Police should have to pay for their stuff to make it more immersive, and in return have a punishment/consequence for doing actions such as attempting to take a fight or head into a scenario that they get injured and die in, aka now have to go back and purchase more equipment cause they made a bad IC decision. BUT I am 100% on board with what @Ash mentioned about it being a budget and taken from treasury thing as that could lead to people looking into how the budget is spent and being used and if its being used correctly aka as he said, if X officer is regarding 5 times a day and pulling out a new cruiser 4 times a day. Something to look into and possible punish for as in he rides passenger for a couple days or adapts to make sure he is not doing this stuff daily.
2. Pagers are not used 'Rarely" then again I'm not LEO nor do i plan to be but in my experience it used for just sheer numbers game or outgunned,
3. 50 AP seems way more realistic then 100ap if we go into realistic manners. as realistically Kevlar is not protecting your arms and legs but ONLY your chest and back, I think gta mechanics make it so only your head doesn't take armor damage
4. You have just not been shot by one or used one and its obvious, as it was buffed by 20% for some reason and is a machine of a gun that downs in 4-5 shots it is an avoid at all costs weapon
5. DOC time has been changed and capped at 5 hours if you can afford the fines, A illegal gun charge is an hour of its self and quite insane for the average player as I am sure most of us are adults with full time jobs or even a family 1 hour is ALOT during the work week
6. Its a video game bro, there needs to be a balance or what is the point? if police cannot be fought against on any front it 100% becomes a "Cop State" and becoming a criminal makes 0 sense as Cops have every avenue of anything you can think of covered to the T and will "Win" every scenario you throw at them.
Micah you play the server WAY different then most and thus have a way different experience then most of us, I take your post with a grain of salt cause one you've recently joined a LEO faction and two the way you go about Crim RP on your character is vastly "unique" to the majority.
Agreed, heavily for suggestion 1, criminals pay for everything which is why we know not to bring certain things to certain places or events, we value our lives and try not to get caught knowing it will result in jail time and asset loss. Cops on the other hand, have all this gear for free, giving them this mentality of "I must be a hero, or they can't die", this should not be the case. If cops paid for their equipment, they would value their equipment and lives much more and wouldn't run to every situation like rambo. I'm not saying all cops do this, there are cops that play right, and I appreciate you guys, but for those that just act like you can't die, please get a grip, it ruins rp scenarios completely. For example, the cop who took a 1v8 against OTF the other night, near Vespucci and died. Realistically, would you do that, knowing the outcome, which would be you dying? There should be some type of boosted budget like how the person above said, where cops need to use that money to pay for their gear, cause when they die, they will actually value their life and what they lose.
Also, I think some type of cooldown should be implemented when a cop dies where they can't go on shift for a certain amount of time after being killed, this will make cops want to play more realistically and tactical, making it more realistic. They will actually be scared to die now and lose their stuff, it will actually make them fear dying and make things risky for them, just like criminals have the risk of going to DOC. By doing this we will see less hero cops and it will make the game more immersive for both criminals and PD/SD. It's a fair risk imo and I think implementing it will greatly affect the server positively, making it more immersive.
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1 hour ago, AnakinB said:
I feel the real skill issue is needing all that you have to catch criminals it’s a video game people run and shoot at you because they don’t want u to charge stack them because u oocly dislike them and spend 5 irl hours in a video game jail
ONGGG, aint no way you gettin 40 other units and meta vehicles and weapons cause you cant catch me, grow up
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29 minutes ago, Melody Frey said:
Actually guys, Bala is right. Let's all stop being criminals and whenever PD is bored of giving old lady's speeding tickets, we can make gangs again after they all quit and work for Weazel or DCC.
I'm so down, come work legal jobs with me
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52 minutes ago, Bala said:
This thread is like a game of chinese whispers.
The OP starts off on a tirade of half truths and it gets progressively more inaccurate as the replies come in.Yes, you can use /fl from your vehicle to get new weapons, but you also have to do roleplay beforehand of taking that weapon and storing it or you cannot use it. That would be powergaming and that person would be not just in trouble with the staff team but with the faction they were in too.
You say you are tired of 40 cops chasing one person because there is nothing to do.
First of all, I'd imagine it would be incredibly rare that 40 cops would chase one guy in 2022 and if they did, homie has the WMDs on him so it's not going to be for no reason.
When you exaggerate like that, you lose credibility.I'm tired of certain official factions cop-baiting police chases because there is nothing to do but you know what, tough fucking titty. You gotta chase them in their little Issi Sports anyway.
As for the Jugular, don't even. Driving that thing is like putting lipstick on a pig.
It is not that the jail time is too long, it is that the prison set-up sucks.
As for paying for our own cars and weapons, you know what bring that shit on but you best believe that that money you are paying for your illegal parking fines or your face concealment (b) is going to fund my new $16k an hour paycheque. Then I'm not letting you off any charge you deserve because me and my fellow faction members need the money to be able to do our jobs in the server properly.
I dunno who is deploying three shinobis but it shouldn't be PD.
As for this argument about not being able to beat PD, you know why? Because you ain't supposed to be fighting the police! If we're armed to the teeth and decked out with all the best shit, why on earth would you even think about fighting us. I know people love the realism angle so if gangs start shooting cops in real life, what happens? They get wiped and jailed for life. On ECRP, you get prison for 4 hours and then you're out.
I get the criminal side of things sucks right now but targeting your frustrations at the PD or SD is really lazy. Half of you, I'm sorry but you're just bad at the criminal thing man. You make it so obvious, it's too easy.
I don't like you guys cover your faces all the time but with /alias, it's necessary.
I don't like that all of you run around with radios that have no limited distance or battery power but it's necessary.
I don't like that you guys all wear the same colours of clothing, but it's necessary.
I don't like that the Issi Sport is a credit store vehicle but it is.
I don't like that people like the OP are very quick to blame others but take zero accountability for their own actions.
I don't like that people are so anal about dying in a video game when they can literally pretend nothing happened
I don't like that our forum report system is weaponised by individuals to try and get back at other individuals that won a situation.I could go on and on about the things I don't like about criminal role-players but you have some legitimate problems with the server and I do sympathise and have tried to help as much as anyone.
It ain't PD or SD though.
"As for this argument about not being able to beat PD, you know why? Because you ain't supposed to be fighting the police! If we're armed to the teeth and decked out with all the best shit, why on earth would you even think about fighting us. I know people love the realism angle so if gangs start shooting cops in real life, what happens? They get wiped and jailed for life. On ECRP, you get prison for 4 hours and then you're out." where exactly is it realistic to be decked out with all of the best shit. This is literally our point g, no department has 600k bikes, 400k vehicles to give out to everyone, camaros, no one uses their personal vehicle for work, especially with the chance of it getting easily wrecked or damaged, no one has 100 ap, carbine rifles, fuckin snipers, john wick armory in your trunk. its completely unrealistic, the most you will see unless it is a highly trained unit is a damn firearm and maybe...just maybe a shotgun or smg. I've seen more cops respond to a damn citybee chase than chasing 2 people who just robbed a store. it's just not realistic. Majority of PD doesn't even have the right mindset of a police officer, protect, serve, get home to your family. Not run into a dangerous situation that you obviously wouldn't run into in real life, knowing you would die, thinking "they must go to jail at all costs". It's just not how it works, PD/SD being decked out with all of this unrealistic gear is what makes those who are in PD/SD think that it's okay and it just doesn't promote good rp. I'm not bashing any of those people because they prolly don't even realize it because they have all that gear but change definitely needs to be done. You don't see criminals robbing stores and banks fully armored cause they have to pay for all that shit and can easily lose it. That's how it should somewhat be for PD, not endless care-packages of gear.
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FELT THIS SHIT TO MY SOUL, Big +1
You know you had enough of OP PD when you went legal, so you never had to go to jail again. Can't be asked to have 40+ units with 100 ap and sports cars and bikes chasing me, plus a Heli that literally never runs out of fuel. It's to the point where its unrealistic. If you look up the North Hollywood bank robbery, you will see a realistic scenario and the budget that the department had to work with, attempting to stop this threat. You won't see no typa sports bikes, crazy ass armor, or sports cars. Please nerf PD, tbh its not fun interacting with them anymore, its unrealistically overpowered. Also, can we please do something about cops baiting crims and shit. Not even a week ago, there was a cop sitting on sealabs road acting like he was running radar, when he was literally there just to try to hear gunshots to fight. It's to the point where criminals barely get to even rp with each other because once cops get involved, you have to escape because you can't fight them off and completely disregard whatever rp you had going on prior to that. It's completely outta hand.
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-1, your not gonna remember people who constantly change their fit and cars every day tbh g
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17 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:
People are not being banned for their 'type of roleplay', they are mostly being banned for their lack of roleplay. There used to be a playstyle that was very common in the past which was effectively running labs and fighting for the majority of the day, and then chilling for an hour before doing it again. That playstyle is not sustainable because to put it simply, you don't have a reason to shoot that many people that often, so you will end up looking for reasons, and that is when people end up breaking the rules.
There are no major issues with the rules, nor the enforcement, it's an attitude issue. This is coming from someone that had an official gang during those times. That time is past, and it's never coming back. People that are still interested in criminal roleplay need to find other activities to take up their time other than shooting. Shooting has a place, but it should not be the main thing that draws you to criminal roleplay.
The idea of this was to make a suggestion to repopulate the criminal world with second chances, but I get what you mean
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6 hours ago, IAmTurtle said:
Criminals in cali don’t drive suppers down the street going 240. You can’t have one but not the other.
look at all the swipers and trappers with all the nice cars, they definitely do lmao, it happens irl, Idk about pd supers, sports bikes, and sports cars tho
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10 hours ago, Bill Breacher said:
If you would like one side to go off realism, then the other side should to for consistency. You ever see an entire city of people ignore all traffic lights/laws, all drive sports cars/bikes and consistently drive 200+ everywhere they go? More than likely the answer is no. Law enforcement is not a proactive faction, they are reactive. If every criminal they come up against is evading on a high speed motorcycle or sports car, PD works with the government to obtain one to deal with them, as they cannot just let the criminals do whatever they please.
As for your comment regarding the number of units at a traffic stop or pursuit, that is all dictated by IC protocols within PD. If PD pulls someone over that tends to evade 90% of the time, then we make sure to get multiple backup units and the appropriate response vehicles to deal with it. As I said, its reactionary response. If someone that PD has never seen before gets pulled over and they have a fairly clean record, then no backup is asked for.I agree it should be fair for both sides as well. But do you think its fun for PD to see criminals drive by going 200+ in the city on drags/shinobis non-stop and have 0 chance to do anything about it? Deployment of the high speed resources is strictly limited for a reason. PD cannot just patrol around in a high speed car or bike for no reason.
Lastly, to your original point about realism...do you think it would be realistic for criminals to be stronger than law enforcement? Have the whole city run by gangs and PD would be powerless to stop them because they have less firepower, less resources, less equipment? Its not realistic in any sense to have criminals overtake the city and to just have it fall and burn because law enforcement cannot do anything about it.
Although some of this is correct, the response is often overkill, this is the reason why people evade before they are even pulled over, to avoid getting chased by 30 other units. It's not fun evading from 40 vehicles with air one either my friend. Just believe there should be some type of nerf to make things more balanced. "PD cannot just patrol around in a high-speed car or bike for no reason." The number of drafters and such I see on the side of the road says otherwise my friend. "do you think it would be realistic for criminals to be stronger than law enforcement?" I don't but, it's not quite realistic to have access to all these sports bikes, performance cars, and such as a police department, taxes don't even cover those expenses. All we are saying is, there should be a set balance that makes traffic stops and evasions fun for both parties, not one sided. Crims passages have been nerfed immensely, while it keeps getting easier and easier for PD to catch crims, it cannot be fun to constantly know you're going to catch someone in a chase due to the accessibility your department has.
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9 hours ago, Thommy said:
Why would PD need fast vehicles if it were not for criminals' poor character portrayals? What kind of criminals drive super and exotic cars? Even if you are in a crime organization, you would not really be drifting sport cars around in the city. Most of the times, a criminal is poor, that is why they are a criminal. So they should correctly portray their character doing so, and not just buy the fastest car with the play-to-win mentality to escape from cops.
If it wasn't for the meta as mentioned, PD would not need sport vehicles.
Secondly, the Los Angeles Police Department, which is the police department in a city we are portraying, has at least two helicopters up at a time for 20 hours a day. They are not only for emergency responses, but are a part of routine patrol. So do not be surprised when there is a helicopter while you are escaping from police. An airship is available at the officers' disposal. Every time there is a pursuit, they request 'backup and airship'.
If you are good enough, you can escape from police even if there is an air unit. Having been a part of the Air Support Division of multiple roleplay servers, I can say that I've lost people before, even those driving the slowest car.
9 hours ago, Thommy said:Why would PD need fast vehicles if it were not for criminals' poor character portrayals? What kind of criminals drive super and exotic cars? Even if you are in a crime organization, you would not really be drifting sport cars around in the city. Most of the times, a criminal is poor, that is why they are a criminal. So they should correctly portray their character doing so, and not just buy the fastest car with the play-to-win mentality to escape from cops.
If it wasn't for the meta as mentioned, PD would not need sport vehicles.
Secondly, the Los Angeles Police Department, which is the police department in a city we are portraying, has at least two helicopters up at a time for 20 hours a day. They are not only for emergency responses, but are a part of routine patrol. So do not be surprised when there is a helicopter while you are escaping from police. An airship is available at the officers' disposal. Every time there is a pursuit, they request 'backup and airship'.
If you are good enough, you can escape from police even if there is an air unit. Having been a part of the Air Support Division of multiple roleplay servers, I can say that I've lost people before, even those driving the slowest car.
That doesn't quite make sense, if you are a criminal, you're going to prepare yourself for success. Not drive a car you can't get out of sticky situations in, the whole point is to not get caught, it's not really a play to win mentality. If your pointing out a play to win mentality, then PD shouldn't be set up to win 90% of rp senarios. Most criminals earn money for these expensive vehicles after a LONG time of grinding to obtain them. I'd say it's fair to drive vehicles with such performance, when most PD vehicles reach 200+ on straights. There's honestly no need for high speed vehicle when you have 30-40 units trying to catch one person, that's just me though.
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On 3/18/2022 at 9:12 AM, Sico said:
Speaking realistically, I don't think PD in LA would be driving sport bikes like Shinobi, or even high speed cars such as the 8f drafter. I do understand that the tunnels are full of bugs but then we might need to remove some other stuff to make it fair for the felony evaders aswell. Personally I think that 80% of the felony evasions people get caught cus of PD's super-fast cars that can keep up most of the times and if they lose u then you have a guaranteed Air-1 above you.
well said, if we are going off realism, have you guys ever seen a police sports car in your area in real life before? More than likely the answer is no, although it's possible, I don't think any of us ever seen one, or multiple in our lifetimes. I am heavy on getting rid of the police shinobi, I've never been pulled over by a sports bike a day in my life, pretty sure the department near me doesn't have one as well. It's quite overpowering, if you ask me. Most units I've seen at a normal traffic stop was 3, I could see if you were wanted and such and PD has decided to go all out and get everything they got in their arsenal to arrest you, but that's about it. I believe there should be some limit for these traffic stops, there should be a fair number of units that can respond to a traffic stop or chase depending on the level of the situation to make it somewhat fairer. 30 units on a chase is so overkill tbh. Even if we may be going off realism, we must take into account what's fair and enjoyable for other parties. PD obviously has more players than criminals so, all of the high-speed vehicles and buffs are useless in my opinion, gonna be challenging to getaway as is, that is just my take though, big +1.
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5 hours ago, Harveyyy said:
A simple and easy suggestion that I believe makes a lot of sense for Criminal RP.
Right now, any player can go to a Dealer/NPC and interrogate them/ Extract Intel in an attempt to comp a drop/ make the dealer "Snitch" about an upcoming drop. The process depends on the influence points and the decay of the turf, not only on this specific turf but on other turfs that are owned / taken by a gang. If the gang has high influence points, the chances of the dealer snitching will be lower, and vice-versa.
My suggestion is:
The dealer will ask for something in return, depending on the dealer and influence points, they will ask for a specific amount of money in order for them to provide a location which will be "The word on the streets", which won't always be accurate, but it will be close to the drop location. The more influence points there is, the more expensive the tip would be. This will promote more RP that makes sense where players have to consider important factors, such as Risk & Reward, instead of spinning/Rolling every dealer on the map just to end up in a shootout. Dying every day for a 12k lysergic drop does not make any sense, but promote a PvP environment. Just to make it clear, there is nothing wrong with having shootouts, but only for a proper reasoning. But when it happens every day for the exact same reason and without any proper RP reasoning and backstory, at this point it's not fun and it ruins the experience.
Feel free to provide your opinions and thoughts!
This suggestion is not perfect, but with more thoughts and opinions on it, we can come up with a perfect solution.
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Honestly, it's perfectly fine in my opinion, when you order a shipment, you are taking a risk of it getting comped. If you aren't willing to take the risk of a drop getting comped by rival gangs, it's best not to put in orders or order more strategically. One thing, I'd absolutely love to see change is other factions asking a faction to put in an order to have a reason to pvp and attempt to get around the backup breach rule to use it as a reason to show up, which has been happening recently. By the time you comp a drop with this new general area idea, you probably won't find it in time. That's just my take though.
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On 1/24/2022 at 6:47 PM, Tony Solicetto said:
So of course for the last couple of bank robberies cops have been getting held hostage and being brought to banks to rob them. To which they never have been treated in the appropriate way(MY OPINION). I do believe as a server that has such a high player base within the PD faction or government factions, you should allow criminals to create RP... There has been multiple times where they just fly in, or don't take every measure into account before proceeding with their RP. Now we put time and effort in this RP we must create as crims because if we don't we get bored out of our minds of the same old exact way of doing banks. We can't keep doing it the same way because PD is limited to ways they can respond to certain scenarios. So we created multiple different scenarios with different hostage situations, this time it included 2 Officers. I understand the experience of these SWAT officers but this is nothing close to the way you should react to TWO hostages especially if they are cops. The value of their lives were thrown out the window and I'm pretty sure they even shot at their own Officers in the process. We're trying to build a different way to approach RP or bank robberies and we can never fully RP how we planned it out. Win or lose, there is no RP involved on their side compared to the amount of time we put into it. We didn't even make it past the door..
Now of course its not about winning like I've mentioned, but we want to RP lol even if it means to RP with the cops in the bank and what not. RP with PD feels like it's done within 5 minutes. My last report against PD was about them being toxic and out of line just because the RP was over 40minutes long. Why is it that RP shouldn't be that long? Like why is it that every time it's just for them to neutralize the target? There's never any RP. No negotiator, nothing but click clack bang bang. It's a real pain when we've been here for over a year some of us even longer trying new ways to RP and we can't lol. Jason even mentioned earlier to find another way to get a hostage after telling us how our process and RP thought was amazing, so we did and we did even better than that. We had 2. So feel free to discuss, or tell me I'm completely wrong because there is no way in hell I am the only person who feels this way.
From 3:12, they have no idea what is in the bank yet one officer comes in crouch rolling in spraying. It's so much at this point that can be corrected but they choose to ignore our reports and complaints and just choose to find ways to get a loophole in why they reacted this way.
Agreed, nearly every time I am in scenario similar to this with PD/SD, it's always ended shortly. As crims, it takes forever to prepare for these scenarios, for situations like this to be ended off quickly because some people put catching the criminal first rather than thinking of the potential rp, (it's pretty damn annoying when this repeatedly happens btw). I haven't got the chance to build suspense and fully bring such a scenario to a decent closure because some players think catching the criminal at all costs without thinking is correct. Opportunities like this don't happen frequently, so at times when it does happen, why can't every party make the best of it? At the end of the day, we are all here for a good experience. Do we really have to go overkill and ruin the enjoyment of a situation, rather than just having fun with it? We must take all parties enjoyment and rp into consideration, if you were a crim, would you have fun spending time to prepare a high-risk scenario that will cost you so much jail time and money? Personally, I wouldn't, all we ask is that when rp'ing with crims, take their side into consideration as well. Think about all the possible outcomes that can be fun for each party and not just shoot, ram, etc to end a scenario, it's not about winning. Now, I am not saying just let criminals get away, but leave room for people to rp and enjoy themselves and not just intentionally doing things to ensure that you catch someone. Keep in mind that PD/SD don't ever lose their gear due to it being a part of their loadout when they are on duty. Criminals don't have that same luxury; we have to grind and prepare for these things just to lose it like this. It feels as if these situations aren't even worth it anymore because majority of the time it ends up with an outcome such as this.
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Jorden Sperry
I don't even know where to start, I went from a petty thief, to a mechanic at LSC, to a dude who get's pulled over everywhere he goes. It all happened so fast, it's crazy how one talk at the high end market can make such an impact on your life. I remember the day vividly, I woke up, got dressed, grabbed my .50, and went out the door. I took a ride down to the market in hopes of a new car. I didn't find a new car, what I found was a new path. I decided I would walk on that path by joining LSD. I hit up Smoke after our talk at the market and I told him I want to be apart of this crew and I want to grow with this crew. It turns out that same day, I would be changing my cars color to that breath taking orange color. After I changed the color of my car, I met Moda and Smoke, we talked and then they took me to the HQ to meet everyone. Upon arrival, after meeting everyone, I knew that those people I just met were soon to become family. Not too long after my arrival we went racing, I won't lie I was some shit at first, but as time progressed, I got the grasp of the different tracks. After a few days of joining LSD, I knew that I needed to make a good impression, I grabbed my BF400 and began hitting stores with the crew. Just recently, I was called into HQ to meet with Moda and Leo, when I arrived, we walked in the club and walked upstairs. I took a seat, and Leo began telling me how hard I've been working. Leo dropped the bag he was carrying on his back and opened the bag. When I peeped into the bag, I saw a LSD steering wheel with my name on it. From that moment I knew it was only up from there.
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26 minutes ago, Aieos said:
Just don't hand over something without guaranteeing you'll receive compensation in return and you'll be fine.
There are scripted ways to do transactions safely without getting scammed. Avoiding these runs the risk of being scammed.
If you need to, roleplay handing over both the car keys, and formal right of overship to the car with /me's and /do's from both parties to solidify the rp with the truthful /do, then both of you can do your transfer and hand over the cash to complete the /me and /do rp you have established, eliminating the risk of being scammed. If you're going to be silly enough to hand over a car, or an excess of money, and expect them to maintain their side of the bargain, then you're the one at fault.
An example could be:
/me would hand over the keys to the car and the paperwork for the car while extending his arm to receive the $100,000 in cash from you at the same time, not letting go until I receive the money.
/do would you take the paperwork from me and hand over the $100,000 cash during this exchange?
Now this solidifies the fact you are not only giving keys to the vehicle, but also the title to it for them to sign over to their name, as well as reaching out to exchange payment for the transaction at the same time, guaranteeing the amount of money they hand you would be correct, and that they can't give you anything different.
If they proceed to accept this /do and don't fulfil it as described, they would be untruthful in /do which is against the rules and can be reported on the forum.
This is an overexaggerated way of doing it, and im sure with some thought, could be done in a smoother more natural feeling way. But if you can secure the deal properly with /me's and /do's you can have a good transaction filled with some nice detailed roleplay while avoiding the scripted methods of transferring vehicles/houses for whatever reason you have for doing so.
Disclamer: Using the provided scripted methods of transaction (high end, low end, buying/selling of houses at the front door) is the safest way to handle these things and it easily worth the small tax price to ensure a smooth and quick transaction.I completely understand with what your saying but as to someone who just got scammed it’s it’s pretty frustrating. I get exactly what you mean and tnank you for your response.
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On 7/19/2020 at 11:16 PM, Krallei said:
Intro
Let me be very very clear on this. Eclipse Roleplay is a very realistic server. However when it comes to scamming on this server it is the most unrealistic thing I've ever seen. I've been buying, selling and trading in real life for more then 12 years now and never have I have ever been scammed. I've done all this with friends, randoms, crack heads, tweakers you name the type of person and I have never ever been scammed. Let me explain to you the problem vs real life.
Problem
Let's starts out with the obvious problems.
"Trading" In real life when you're going to trade some cars for example you don't call a middle man. You guys meet at one of the houses or at a walmart or something and you each test drive each others vehicle with you in it. If you both like it you would hand each other keys at the same time, talk and shake hands and be on your way. I've done this plenty of times. You would never give the other person keys first. This is the problem with trading cars here on eclipse. When you go to trade someone 99% of the time their goal is to scam you which is no way in hell realistic. I've done this many years in real life and have never ever seen this. It's wild. In real life if you like each others vehicles you like I said trade keys at the same time, shake hands and be on your way. In real life also when you go to look at someones vehicle or house or whatever it is you're trading you're going in interest in trading your item for theirs where as on this server it's to scam. People do this in public places to like what?! You're telling me in real life you're going to scam someone at their house when they have a gun on there hip? Or you're going to scam someone at walmart or the bank or wherever when there is cameras around? 1st of all if you were to scam someone you would not do it in public place. You would take them to a private place. Also if you were to trade someone in real life and you like each others items you don't be like wait hold up lets find a middle man. That is so unrealistic. Also a waste of time. You either like each others items and trade or don't trade at all.
"Buying/Selling" let's be honest. The only realistic way to scam most of the time is with fake money and even then it's kinda rare besides businesses. Normally in real life also like I said above when you go to sell something then your goal is to sell it to someone not scam them where as on this server it's backwards. All the times I have sold something to someone that they are buying I always check the money before I give them any sort of title or keys or anything and that is how it is in stores as well. You have to pay for the item before it's yours and you can leave the store or building with that item or product. So let's say you're at bank buying someones car, you take out the cash and give it to them and they deposit it and leave. Realistically that would not happen. If you paid them the cash you would be watching them and if they tried to leave then chances are you would catch them. They would not be able to deposit it because you would catch them. It's not fake money because that is not a thing in eclipse and most of all you just did it in a public place where cameras and everyone else caught you do it. So the fact people get away with this in eclipse and admins can't do nothing about it is wild to me. Those goes for vehicles houses and everything else.
Verdict
There needs to either be a no scamming rule period or something to make it way more realistic like no scamming in public places and doing it in a more realistic way. Just like how the robbing people in public places got changed because it's not realistic I think the same needs to happen to this. Not only is it not realistic but coming from someone who has been scammed on the server himself it's a super shitty feeling when you put so many hours and time into the server to get a house or car just to get scammed out of it in the most unrealistic way possible. There needs to be a no scamming rule period or there needs to be thought put into this to make it way more realistic because the amount and type of scamming that goes on in this servers is dumb wild.
Feel free to leave your opinion on this. Just for me as someone who has been wheeling and dealing for 12+ years in the real world scamming like this that goes on in the server is mad dumb and unrealistic. Thank you for listening.
Agreed, I was just scammed in a bank. Federal property, with CCTV and everything. In real life no ones getting away with that and I do believe that there should be a rule where you can’t scam on federal property or something like that to ensure that you and the person you are trading with do not have to worry about getting scammed. I’m currently dealing with a scammer right now he scammed me for a GT and what I find a lot is most of these scammers have been doing /do and haven’t been fulfilling their characters actions which are against the rules. You aren’t allowed to lie in /do and a lot of people are getting away with it as well. I’ve been a the bank a lot recently and I’ve been hearing a lot about people getting scammed and i just believe it shouldn’t be allowed. It has created a lot of frustration in the community and I believe it’s unfair that someone can just take someone’s belongings that took them so long to obtain without any consequences. This is just an opinion and please do not take it as disrespect but out of experience I wish that something would be done about scamming or at least a rule not to do it on federal property.
thank you.
Creating a Community Suggestions Team
in Game Suggestions
Posted · Edited by Jorden Sperry
+1, tired of tryna help by giving good suggestions and they get ignored on purpose and nothing positive happens. It just seems as if no one cares, which is causing most experienced players to leave, when these well-loved players leave, it demotivates us as players, resulting in lower server pop. I generally think if we do something like Lucas mentioned above, I believe it will strongly benefit ECRP overall. By having a community suggestions team or even some OOC discord channel where we discuss problems or suggestions and such, staff, devs, and players will get an understanding of what we all want. (COMMUNICATION IS KEY) By allowing players to suggest things they want and getting feedback from majority of the server can definitely take things forwards, we just need people to take action so these suggestions can be implemented and would motivate more people to play more often. Everyone will literally be happy with the changes we discuss, and the changes will be enjoyable, as we all went over what we look foward to seeing, making ECRP more money, increasing server population, and ensuring we all have fun. I have so much valuable criticism to share that would benefit the server, but it just seems as if no one cares, I believe this post should really be considered and taken seriously, as this has a lot of potential to help the server and community. (NO HATE BTW, just saying how a lot of players feel rn
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