Ritchie Stones

we cant sell the cars nor refund them, its caugh up millions in game for many donators, or let them rot away in the garage. the donators who donated the most and been most loyal are affected the most in this. and you can say " i did not lose 1000s of euro's" but you cant dismiss the way i feel about it, i DO feel that i lost 1000s in euro's for this. and i dont even want a refund but i do just want my cars to be unaffected, because that is the expectancy of cost that i had with buying those cars,

i cant find the right words to put in perspective about the way i feel i had just read a comment from @Osvaldon into panel suggestions about the HSW being included in credit vehicles. and though i do appreciate that resolution, i am still suffering 19 credit vehicles of the 20, since i only have 1 credit hsw vehicle, i either need to make a choice, coughing up millions in game. or have my almost 376000 credits going to waste (credit prices vary through the years) so i am losing 1000s of euros here that i have put in the server over the past 5 years, i dont understand how i can be let down like this, and this is for me a lot to take, i love the server i love the people in it, but im sitting here on some deep mixed feelings right now. and i dont really know what to say. can this please be looked into ???? i cant be the only one having to suffer this big right ? LIST of cars + most recent credits cost. VSTR 8000 rebla 7000 jubilee 5500 patriot 7000 dragur 8000 10F 15 000 windsor 4500 italy GTO 25 000 torros 16 500 ETR1 11 500 paragon S 16 500 coquette D10. 25 000 italy RSX 25 000 nero costum 25 000 kamacho 8000 IGNUS 50 000 X80 proto 50 000 sentinel GTS 11 500 gauntlet hellfire 7000 niobe 50 000 total = 376.000 credits as you can see there is only one HSW vehicle. the cost for me is going to be very extreme to be able to use those cars again the way i used to.

i see, here is the thing, i want to have a heli, but not for crime obviously, but i also stil want to be a criminal in rp, kinda sucks if a cant, it could be a nice view you know

so you saying that, unless you commit a crime with that chopper, they wont revoke your flying licence, that is interesting, because that could really change my mind about purchasing a heli

you do understand i have +20 vehicles bought through credit store woth 176000 credits over the past 5 years, to now be set back to caugh up around 7 million just to enjoy the cars i previously enjoyed, this is a major set back, maybe some people with 1-3 credit cars arent affected, but people like me having over 43 vehicles, 20 in credits, im basicly fucked for at least 3000-4000 euro

yeah well maybe its worth for you but for me that would mean nothing, i already have the best car and all i need is those best cars, so i cant go up anymore on that, even if i get a refund i would not be able to do anything with it, and then would i also lose my legendairy status ? or does the credit top 50 people get massive inflated on their standart, because that would then suddenly be 176000 X2 invested, so nobody else gets legendairy status anymore because we suddenly peak 2X higher on the scoreboard

Yeah i wonder myself to sometime. Fixing economy ? For who? The new players we dont have?

But thats even worse is not the case for everyone. I like my cars. All of them.

I already have everything else that 176000 credits is the cars only.

But thats even worse what am i going to do with 176000 credits

Yes but only The engine mods part. So now i have 43 cars looking fancy and i kinda have to upgrade them otherwise the other mods like bumpers, paint, lights, tires is all for nothing. So i am indirectly forced to reupgrade all my cars if i dont want to lose that money

But many people dont want a refund they want their stuff that was bought with real money to stay untouched. the other vehicles is fine to me.not completely… but sure why not. refund is a bad idea. Nobody wins from that. It means less money to support the server. Also it alows the people who initialy wanted to leave the server before to actualy do so and get away with it having their money back. Its literally holding open te door for those who wanna leave

Without those donation you would not be able to play the server. Nobody at all in fact

but just because you feel that way doesn't mean the entire server should agree, it is clear many people clearly do not agree with this change, so to, put yourself in the center of reality with your oppinion is a big mistake, just because your fine with it doesn't mean everyone is fine with it, basic intelligence at play here. you can always go back to the principal " its donations" but that doesnt mean people wil regain their trust from a statement, people simply will hesitate in the future to buy, some big consitant donators might remain upset and leave, so everyone loses from that, nobody wins, and worse of all you wil not be able to negotiate that reality and sure not ignore it when the lifespan of the server gets cut by half, then we all just lose faster, so you might be nonchalant about this, but am here ringing a huge alarm thinking already a few step ahead. also if it is truely " donating" then remove everything that you get from it, but the server wont do that because then nobody would be " donating" so its a purchase..... you donate with a returned expectation... thats a purchase. its is very clear, many people feel "FEEL" like a customer and they are clearly disappointed, so you going to pull the "donation reminder" card on them ? dismissing their feelings ? that wont be smart

they could have just readjust the mods prices , and let current moded ones and avoided this whole problem, i agree on this line, the refunds is due to wanting to fix the inflated economy, so the change is not with melevoilent intend, see it more like a cause and effect thing, less personal, the devs already posted that they wil look into the issue making clear the feel for the comunity, lets hope a good conclusion comes from it, i think you post has more underlying frustrations than the hsw alone, good that you express yourself

this is not a crim nerf, its a nerf for everyone, i do admit however that its been brick by brick to the face, "for the fixing of an economy" for who ? new players we dont have ? everyone in her is in it for years, some just did better and smarter then others, wich is fair to me, anyway, spare the negativity, its already bad enough, credit vehicles wil be looked into, i do feel bad for people who have many non credits vehicles because those wil most likely be ignored in the proces. lets hope something REEEEAAAALY excited comes after this update, because after the leveling system, the guns decay, the vehicles, and 3 years of crims nerfs, yes we NEED something comming our way really soon, because it has been a down the drain expierence, for many years now, but this our comments, right now our off the table related to this post

you have 5 cars of credits, i have +20 cars having 376 000 credits spend, my difference in refund alone is 2 million, let alone the money i now have to invest for cars that i could use before, like your not thinking this through, the difference is in the millions for the most loyal donators being around donating for years, we are affected most

have you tried buying +20 cars in credit store ? i dont think so, that amount of money wil change your mind

state it simple. over a 100 niobe's have been bought because it was a fast car, now, they need to cough up 1 mil just to enjoy the car they bought with credits, doubling the extra addes cost is already massive let alone 10X

and are youb like some of us +20 cars deep ? because i think you would feel different about it if your 1000s of euro's deep

if you want to pull the plug on the server yes, if you want the server to stay alive, its a bad idea, really bad

remember i talked to you about this ? a month or 2 ago ? i told you this was going to upset people hehe XD

BEFORE ANYTHING, osvaldon has commented that, due to credit vehicles wil be looked into. so please leave the chaos at home. i want to simply make aware very politely, the danger of this update affecting the credit vehicles. as a person being deep +20 cars in credit store, this affects your most loyal and invested donators the most, and i can not stress this enough, but this could become a very bad mistake for the future of donating because trust can be very easly broken here, why would i for the next seeing future invest into a credit car if afterwards the extra added cost can be tampered with up to 10x in some cases. this is very dangerous i have been talking about this since almost 2 months, and the reality is now here. as we invest real life money we have a certain expectancy to "extra added cost +-150k mods" to see now some vehicles being x10 in extra cost, might not sound huge for 1 car, but for someone being deep 20 cars is a MASSIVE setback. "i will not be enjoying most of my cars the way i used to because of this" though i have put my money in for it. LIST of cars + most recent credits cost. VSTR 8000 rebla 7000 jubilee 5500 patriot 7000 dragur 8000 10F 15 000 windsor 4500 italy GTO 25 000 torros 16 500 ETR1 11 500 paragon S 16 500 coquette D10. 25 000 italy RSX 25 000 nero costum 25 000 kamacho 8000 IGNUS 50 000 X80 proto 50 000 sentinel GTS 11 500 gauntlet hellfire 7000 niobe 50 000 total = 376.000 credits take in account the discounts and changed prices over the years ofc. lets be fair and honest, the real price i paid will vary from the reality presented here. i do not wich a refund, but i would also very much appreciate that this wil be looked into very deeply with care, because the people who are affected the most are the one who have put in over the past years the most. i am not only very worried about my own purchases but also very worried about the reaction from the player base this might set in motion, and we already find ourself in a bit of a tight spot, once again i do not intend to streer up any drama here, but i want to politely present the "severity" of some people being affected here. and the mistrust this might spark into the future of purchase literally anything, leading to less money going into the server. this danger is very real. i wil post a screenshot here below of the comment of osvaldon, which i am very glad he did. so that there is not yet any reason to panic. but i DO want to state very urgently the severity and potential risk of this change.

again one of hes very rigid statements, im sorry you have a hard time winning in the server. you really like everything that turned our server population, below 130 daily, i bet you like itt sitting by yourself, should get a private lab maybe you like it all alone XD now relax im joking

thanks, this ease my feelings a bit, i am 100s if not around1000 euro's deep on cars,