ID 24 Tony_Solicetto DM, NRP

[Mikazuki Ueno]

Player(s) being reported: ID 24 Tony_Solicetto
Date of interaction reported: 06/21/2021
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1624247430 

Your characters name: Micah_Ellis
Other player(s) involved: Gerlard_Baptiste, Alberto_Balsalm

9. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.
Players are required to remain IC at all times. RP can only be paused or voided by admins.
If a crash / disconnect occurs, players must post in the crash reports discord channel and contact all parties to resume. Players reconnecting must be given all opportunities held prior.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)

Hello, this is Micah Ellis. I would like to thank the admins that will be taking this report. I was having system issues and was trying to fly out of the city but couldn't. When I came back I found out that ID 24 had gotten into my car and put a .50 to the back of my head without any RP interaction with me at all while I was unable to play. "Before you crashed I was in your car." And a PM "I was in your vehicle with a gun to the back of your head, restart Rage and we restart." Something I had no interaction with. I was in my car at the top of the pier having connection and Rage issues and logs that can be pulled from the game will show NO INTERACTION between myself and ID 24.

When I came back, I admit I did resume RP, but that was before I know how RP can only be paused by admins. I thought I would play along because I had to. 2 other players showed up and he did not interact with them at all. He should not have taken advantage of me having issues to get in my car, then decide to pause RP when I was not responding. It was poor RP and non-RP. This ultimately led to me being kidnapped and executed, despite following all demands which leads to:

14. Deathmatch (DM)

Prior interaction should include escalation such as a robbery or a report to the police.
Players may not kill victims who have complied with a plausible demand in reasonable time unless involved in severe hostile activity against them or an ally within 3 hours.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)

Player decided to take DM right on me without approval even though I complied with all demands, gave him phone battery, radio and let him cut my hair. 

The player extended this whole thing and wrapped other people up in it all based on rule breaking and pausing RP to the extent it was deemed but some to dictate actual IC insinuation of a disbanding of an org which negatively impacted and confused several players who didn't deserve it.

Evidence of rule breach: 

IMG 1: https://imgur.com/a/H6rFAeJ
ID 24 does not respond to my OOC comments about not being present for RP and continues to try and convince me to continue. 

Highlighted VOD Twitch showing most of the incident that followed: 

 

I have over 1000 hours invested in this wonderful, amazing world you volunteer to create and provide for us and have had a spectacular time since 2/14. I was encouraged by many experienced players to file this report as this is not the type of player or experiences they want to see. This player has been spoken to multiple times about metagaming and voiding roleplay. I'm here to RP, the good and the bad. I'm okay with my character having bad experiences IC but this was a bit too far from realistic and agreed upon ruled RP. I apologize I do not have more POV or VOD to show, it was a pretty toxic and mentally exhausting experience. Thank you for your time.

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Micah_Ellis
Minor additions around PM and OOC.

[Massa T]

So prior to this RolePlay scenario being brought up, before you crashed I had mentioned in /b the altercation that was being played out in /b to fill you in, which you then literally agreed to continue the RP. Multiple times in IC you were basically mixing, trying to get out of the RP is what it looked like to me by mentioning you had stuff to do in your head, which is understandable but I mean you agreed to the RP. Everything I did had motive, you were my old leader thy I disliked very much that I wanted to take out. Sorry it had to go that way. I was also never told to sav POV, so I have what I did save. 

 

 

Also this here shows you stating that you could have just never came back after failing your AFK math when prior you mentioned it was client issues you were having. 

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Tony Solicetto
ADDED PHOTO + REASON

[Massa T]

Also if you had stated that you were flying out instead of saying resume none of this would have gotten to where it had. Me “pausing rp” was because mid RP you were having connection issues, so I oocly agreed to wait in order to resume our RP. I meant only good intentions of RP, which was really well done for everyone involved. I’m sorry you feel attacked but IC that everything happened is legit and had full motive. You also kept telling me to just kill you the whole ride there..

Edited June 22, 2021 by Tony Solicetto
Changed font + color + added some.

[Massa T]

9 hours ago, Micah_Ellis said:

This player has been spoken to multiple times about metagaming and voiding roleplay. I'm here to RP, the good and the bad. I'm okay with my character having bad experiences IC but this was a bit too far from realistic and agreed upon ruled RP. 

 

We are all here to RP, hence why I kidnapped my old leader I disliked and took him out. I think everything played out here was really realistic as a gang to take out another leader, especially when I had my reasons. All of us want to have a good time, not bring every RP scenario to the forums. I am sorry you feel this way but OOC'ly I never hated you, it was all IC. I've posted everything I have as evidence, let's leave this up to the admins.

[jason]

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Hi there! Thank you for submitting this player report.

This report will now be pending review by myself and @freshprinceIE. During this time, we ask that you please refrain from any back-and-forth in this report between anyone involved.

Regards,
jason & freshprinceIE

[freshprinceIE]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• @Micah_Ellis - Your video is almost 1 hour long, can you please provide timestamps for key events and the alleged rulebreaks.

• There is no need to have multiple messages, so please refrain from posting until requested by a member of staff.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Administrator jason & Senior Support freshprinceIE

[Mikazuki Ueno]

 

"All of us want to have a good time, not bring every RP scenario to the forums." I agree. I have almost 350K XP and over 1000 hours of in-game playtime in four months, I've posted one other report in that entire time. 

I'm not sure why a player would have to do this or how this is RP: before you crashed I had mentioned in /b the altercation that was being played out in /b to fill you in

I'm not sure how satisfying or realistic the RP is when the player has to PM me about RP we never engaged in. 'I was in your vehicle, with a gun aimed to your head.' I never participated in any of that. I was parked at the parking lot right next to the top of the very highly trafficked entry to the pier in the space closest to where people come by, you see multiple people come by and inquire what is going on and the reported player took advantage of me having issues and being AFK to door check me and enter and then force RP with no interaction. Admins can check logs around this to see I was sitting my car and then come back to 'I was in your vehicle' PM and anything that occurred before that. I believe this is unrealistic and promotes poor quality roleplay. I do admit and it's clear that I thought he had those rights at the time but I understand now he did not.

At 27:16 and after complying with all demands, ID 24 begins to explain IC his motivation for all of this. That based on IC events over a month ago around a now perm banned player that he 'hated the way I treated Lance' (a player banned from activities that happened months ago for evidence showing him using offensive slurs, player harassment and for turning IC interactions turn into OOC conflicts) which he believes I 'outed' (I did not file the report.)

When I state I just want him to feel better about the situation and do what he has to do, I figure it means he will shave my head, rob and humiliate me. I did not assume to give him any DM rights and continue to comply. Players continue to whisper about 'gunning' me down and partying and that they guess my character dies since no on is on our frequency. He then shoots me and ID 164 joins in shooting me after having zero interaction with them at 31:05.

The reason I interacted in the past with these players is because I found them to be exceptional. Unique in their character development and their interactions on the server. Our characters having dispute is something entirely different than us as players and I have the capability to separate the two. I expected more from them than this.

If the report is denied I still feel comfortable in what I hope is constructive feedback and am looking for admin advice to help us all be our best and give clarity to how this was expected to happen within the server rules. Thank you!

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Micah_Ellis

[freshprinceIE]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• @Tony Solicetto - Tony_Solicetto (ID24) - Are you familiar with the server rules on DM rights and kidnapping? What DM rights did you have to first of all kidnap this person, and secondly to kill them even when they had complied with all demands?

• @Micah_Ellis - Micah_Ellis (ID3) - Do you have any proof of the claims that a game crash was abused? Do you have any of your own POV?

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Administrator jason & Senior Support freshprinceIE

 

[Massa T]

I understand the rules of DM and kidnapping, hence why I had gotten his OOC consent by him saying "annnnnnnnnnd, action", or basically anything else I had said... The minute he found out IC'ly who I was by the voice, that is when all the OOC complaining, the mixing, just about everything started splurging out. If he is claiming that it was forced, I mean the footage is there of what I have. If he did not consent, I would have not done nothing.  (I really wish he had told me to save POV so I would have gotten a whole two hours of it to better explain my side.)

My DM rights I feel were there when my character was felt betrayed, treated unfair and as well as talked down on by multiple people alongside Micah. My hatred was since day 1 and to be honest with you, lots of people knew I wanted to hurt Micah IC'ly from what has happened with RS. I never liked Micah, I think my intentions were pretty clear to why. If I went a little too far I am sorry, but in my eyes that was a well thought out and played out RP situation. Micah has done nothing but mention his love for the community and RP.. Why wouldn't what I did be considered okay?

I killed him after demands because he kept bringing up that he would rather kill himself instead of me doing it. Nothing here was forced and I did not try to purposely break any rules knowing the strictness of the kidnapping and DM rights needed. I simply followed through on taking out my old leader, that I never liked to begin with.(This has also been spoken about for over 1 month now his kidnapping)

[Mikazuki Ueno]

My POV from logging back in after being disconnected: https://streamable.com/7bnvdz - In this clip you can see me logging back in, unlocking my car to get in it and the reported party back in their car in the driver's seat. "Before you crashed I was in your car." And: "No worries, I was in your car with my .50 pointed at you." News to me at the time, obviously. I receive a call from another player asking if I'm good as they had seen me having issues and not moving or reacting to anything. As you can see in the clip we're not only directly on a main street, Bay City Ave but multiple vehicles, buses and more travel past plus all of the pier traffic. While there may have been IC motive (though I had not directly RPd with the party in weeks) it was not conducted in a secluded area and had high risk as I've been told multiple people came by with no call out from myself to do so. While it's night, it's just after 9pm.

"In my eyes that was a well thought out and played out RP situation." - I do not agree with this statement. It was someone taking advantage of a situation to start a non-RP scenario in their advantage.

@freshprinceIE - I do not have any additional footage. I noticed I was no longer logged in and reconnected. That’s when I was told about RP I did not participate in. Just: I am in your car with a gun to the back of my head. Not sure how long server logs (Just prior to Time 1624247319) are kept but perhaps you would be able to see the PMs and /me actions and I’d imagine, as I wasn’t there, no response from me.

Perhaps there is further additional footage that before the start of the clip where I am pulled over? The YT clip starts later but the screenshots posted in response to this report appear to be earlier. I’d like to see what RP occurred since I wasn’t there. My last recollection was parked, sitting in a supposed safe public spot at the front of the pier. What happened prior to being told OOC that he’s in the car with a gun to me?

Edited June 22, 2021 by Micah_Ellis
Added into on how public the location was the NonRP took place.

[Massa T]

I am really glad you posted something, so how can you sit there telling me your game was bugging, when you literally just showed us that  you were telling me you were seeing only the "ocean" so you wanted to relog quick. You can see clearly that you can see me, the phone call, the people around you... You were lying OOC'ly to me in order to achieve what? This is getting ridiculous. 

 

[Mikazuki Ueno]

Yes, you're right and I'm not hiding that, it was a poor judgement call. My screenshot from 7 hours ago made that clear. I was nervous, confused and upset about what was going on and was referring to what I remember occurring before I logged back in. When I realized I made a bad call in how I responded OOC, I corrected, continued. If I had intended to just not RP or interact, I could have just disconnected at anytime.

I wanted to go along with what you were saying for the RP experience, it was only after familiarizing myself more with how, why and who can pause and unpause RP that I decided to get some feedback on the situation.

Despite my bad choice and correcting, I didn't use anything to an RP advantage.

Can you provide footage before your screenshots of us not interacting at all? How did you get in the car? What did you do after you were in my car? Did I respond at all to your actions before timing out? Why did you decide to get back into your car? Hoping to fill in some blanks, I hope you understand.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Micah_Ellis
Explaining motive.

[ComradeCorbyn]

Hello, I play Alberto_Balsalm. I am adding my perspective just incase there can be any utility taken from it. I do not have POV but I doubt that anyone would disagree with anything I say. Alberto and Gerald go to the spot at the entrance to the pier where Micah and Tony were sitting, not really sure what this suspicious individual was doing parked next to their good friend. We planned to see if we can't help Micah get out of the situation that we had been anticipating (although the situation we were anticipating was another completely unrelated suspected kidnapping). Micah said he was having problems, I understood not only that he was having problems with his client but he also was having SERIOUS OOC life problems at the moment. I figured it would be respectful to leave Micah until he is able to adequately able to RP, giving him the option to leave the city and take care of the things he needed to take care of, or continue so I could come back. Alberto then called Micah to check on him again but at this point Tony seems to have taken it upon himself to RP a gun to the back of Micah's head, which meant that Micah hung up the phone soon after. What I took from this is that Micah likely is still dealing with in head problems, so I waited some more and passed by the spot where they were eventually to check on the situation, at which point they were no longer there.

[jason]

REPORT ACCEPTED
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After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, we've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following player(s):

• Tony_Solicetto (24) - DM | Killing another player without proper roleplay escalation beforehand.

• Tony_Solicetto (24) - NonRP | Kidnapping another player without proper roleplay escalation beforehand & breach of public robbery rules.

• Micah_Ellis (3) - OOC Behavior | Lying in /b about needing to leave to fix a bug with the game.

• Tony_Solicetto (24) - Spoken to about consenting to rule deviation without staff approval.

• Micah_Ellis (3) - Spoken to about consenting to rule deviation without staff approval.

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@Tony Solicetto You'll be receiving a DM and NonRP punishment for kidnapping killing Micah_Ellis without proper roleplay escalation leading up to the event. While your reasoning behind your character's vendetta against Micah_Ellis is valid, the roleplay leading up to this event, or rather the lack thereof, is not. You did not have any investigative or "stalking" roleplay leading up to this event, it was just a crime of opportunity. You saw him and took advantage of the situation despite not having interacted with each other for a considerable about of time before then. Had there been any build-up to this, I wouldn't see an issue.

As for the second part of your NonRP punishment, you breached public robbery rules. Had his car already been unlocked and had the windows rolled up, you entering it and holding a gun to him would be completely fine as it's in a confined, private vehicle where the windows are extremely tinted and it's nighttime. However, the car was locked and his windows were rolled down, making you extremely visible to the public. Had he not been AFK at the time, you wouldn't be able to just sit there and picklock the vehicle. The only way you would've been able to enter is vehicle is by forcing him to unlock it by pointing a gun at him or, a situation that is very unlikely, convincing him to let you into the vehicle and roll the windows up. Due to this fact, we consider it to be a public robbery breach.

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@Micah_Ellis You'll be receiving an OOC Behavior punishment for lying in /b about having a bug with your game that required you to leave the situation. Despite rejoining, this had the potential of altering the situation by allowing your allies more time to show up to the scene as they had mentioned going to check on you after you were unresponsive for a little while.

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@Micah_Ellis @Tony Solicetto You'll both be receiving a note on your account stating you've been spoken to about consenting to a rule deviation without staff approval. We do not allow players to consent to situations that deviate from our rules in OOC terms with each other, as this can lead to bad examples being set for other players. This applies for all rules, including the kidnapping guidelines and DM rules. In the past we've had players consent to KOS on each other or 1v1 situations by "granting" each other DM rights. Because of situations like this, we have made it a point to not allow players to consent to rule deviations.

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If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. 

Regards,
jason & freshprinceIE