ID 31 [Piet_Malman] // ID 49 [Parosh Wayz]// ID 92 [Dominic_Santiago] Irish (9. Non-RP / Poor RP)

[DaMasterSplinter]

Player(s) being reported: ID 31 // ID 49 - 92 // Irish (IDs from POV2 12, 139, 49, 92, 101, 190, 77, 129, 153, 31 )

Date of interaction reported: 21/JUN/2021
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1624286434 // 1624287876

Your character name: Jules Lahoud
Other player(s) involved: 67 

Specific rule(s) broken: 

9. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.
• Players are required to remain IC at all times. RP can only be paused or voided by admins.
• If a crash / disconnect occurs, players must post in the crash reports discord channel and contact all parties to resume. Players reconnecting must be given all opportunities held prior.
• Players should not instigate situations they do not have time to play through. If a player is chased they must wait 15 minutes before they can log out of the game.
• Players can’t depict their character with real images or game images not possible on ECRP.
• Examples: Ignoring RP, baiting government services without proper IC reason, asking to be killed or forcing your own death, unrealistic stunt jumping, misusing expensive vehicles, using script work vehicles for other purpose, submerging any vehicle in water intentionally, swimming for an unrealistic amount of time in a chase, or stealing from / tampering with an OOC F4 menu.
• Non-off road vehicles may not drive up mountains or steep hills. LSEMS & Mechanics are exempt.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)

Hello, this is Jules_Lahoud, I would like to thank the admins that will be taking this report.

First of all, I would like to say that it's been a while we are encountering the same situations from everyone in that particular faction. We did not make any report before as we thought that it happened once and they did wrong and we informed them about it multiple times but informing them does not work. Today, My faction was sitting at Dutch our HQ, when ID 31 decides to come and talk shit after killing one of us (NRP, FearRP) which provide such poor RP from talking shit at the HQ to not trying to hide after killing one of us. As I received this POV, it shows the man goes out of his car with Body armor and micro because Jonas talked shit BACK (Idk but after a certain report made everyone thinks talking shit gives enough escalation). The scenario continues and leads I think for Jonas to get killed, they decide to stay and run around at our HQ with heavies and try picking their cars where RPLY there should be a lot of us at this spot (second POV). I believe that ID 31 is not here to RP. He was baiting us to chase him again and try to fight him (Poor RP/NRP), as he gets reported multiple times and proved  0 positive influence on the community. Now for the faction itself, it's not the first time that this scenario happens where they pull at Dutch talk shit for the only purpose to start a fight. The last time this happened at Steamboat  Taylor Garcia got banned.
I am limited to 300 words so I will let the evidence speak for itself.
 

Evidence of rule breach: 

POV 1: https://streamable.com/31p1gu
ID 31 baiting providing poor RP/ running our RP experience.
POV 2: https://streamable.com/v1igqu
Irish running around in our HQ and picking cars.
POV 3: https://streamable.com/34w9ws
Past interaction with Irish at Dutch (sorry for the sound as I was RPing eating popcorn)

Report 1:

That's a similar report showing how the whole faction was involved in baiting at Dutch BUT there was not enough evidence.

Report 2:

ID 31 was involved in this report and the POV shows the true example of Deathmatching but there was not enough evidence.

I was not able to find the report as it ages a couple of months ago where Irish were reported for robbing LFM at their HQ.

 

EDIT : Irish pulling up after the whole situation today and pick-locking yet again to bait us while there is multiple 67 in the area  ( time stamps 1624286434 [original situation] - 1624287876 [ID 92 back to picklock more cars by himself] )

https://streamable.com/zdjh34

I am really sorry for making this report but this actions keep ruining our experience on the server. I try to  have some fun roleplaying with my gang at Dutch, and gets interrupted by Irish that are bored and want to have some shootouts. 

Edited June 21, 2021 by DaMasterSplinter
Added ID 92 to the report

[paroshh]

Hello I'm ID 49 Parosh Wayz here I will go ahead and share my side of the story.

I heard on the frequency that one of us is getting chased by like 5-6 67 so set up an ambush for them but they ran away so we chase them down and we lose all of them apart from a BF that we chase for about 20 mins and he crashed and starts shooting at us so we kill him then after 10 mins i get told that Jonas is seen at Jamestown and one of us is there so i go to see what's happening down there when i get there i see Jonas and Connor just arguing and its clearly shown in the POV that Jonas is trying to get Connor to do something, so i stood there just waiting then i saw Connor get out the car so i drive away and Connor  goes up to Jonas then aims at him and gets back in  the car to drive off but Jonas shots at him and i had no idea that they killed Connor so i try to run away and i get shot at by 67 so i call for backup since i was getting shot at and they came down to help us and when they came down they managed to kill all the 67 there apart from the 2 that was AFK at Jamestown so after we kill all of them I pick locked and took the car of one of the 67 that we killed and drive off in it and when I pick locked the car there was around 9 Irish there and no 67 apart from the people that were AFK and all the 67 that were there were dead so i took the cars of the people we killed and did not touch the cars of the people that weren't there or that weren't involved in the situation and i take the elegy and then drive off away from Jamestown. 

As its shown in Jules POV he get a PM from one of his friends saying "still no reason to kill anyone else apart from Jonas" and Connor didn't try to kill anyone there and when he gets in his car he gets shot at by Jonas which clearly shows that they started the fight at Jamestown and shot at us when we tried to drive away and prevent a shootout from happening at their HQ  and when i try to run away i get shot at so i call for help from the radio and my allies came to help me. unfortunately i don't have POV because i was never told to save it.  

I would like to also say that Jonas was there in the chase when Connor was getting chased but he got away. 

i would like to thanks that admins that will be looking into this report.

I also apologise if anyone RP was ruined because of this shootout I didn't want the shootout to happen myself. 

Best Regards,

Parosh Wayz 

Edited June 21, 2021 by paroshh

[Ash]

Pending review 

[IAmTurtle]

PENDING RESPONSE

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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• Piet_Malman (ID 31)- Please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have. In addition can you please explain the reasoning for picking opposing gangs bikes in their hq?

• Parosh_Wayz (ID 49)- Please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have. In addition can you please explain the reasoning for picking opposing gangs bikes in their hq?

• Dominic_Santiago (ID 92)- Please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have. In addition can you please explain the reasoning for picking opposing gangs bikes in their hq?

• Jules Lahoud ( @DaMasterSplinter) - Can you please share any evidence that you have leading up to this. 

 

 

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,

Sr. Support IAmTurtle & Moderator DrPathetic 

[dominykas]

• Dominic_Santiago (ID 92)- Please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have. In addition can you please explain the reasoning for picking opposing gangs bikes in their hq?

Hello! Dominic Santiago here.

I will now explain my side of things:

I heard on our frequency "Come to Dutch" and that's exactly what I did. At first I didn't know where to go as in didn't know where "Dutch" was. But when I suddenly heard gunshots I rolled up. After the shootout you see me pick locking this bike. The owner was confirmed to be one of the dead guys from the shootout. This was in no means meant to be baiting. This person came up and said "can you not". Me knowing it's one of the dead guys bikes I ignored him. I'm sorry if this ruined the RP experience for anyone in this situation but I felt like my actions were justified. 

POV: 

 

Have a nice day!

- D. Santiago

[paroshh]

• Parosh_Wayz (ID 49)- Please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have. In addition can you please explain the reasoning for picking opposing gangs bikes in their hq?

 

Hello as its shown in Dominic's POV a shootout happened there and i didn't no pick lock any bikes. after we killed the last guy and there was no one left apart from the 2 guy that were AFK at Dutch and i was surrounded by Irish so i pick locked the car of the person i killed and we did not touch anyone's car that was not involved in the shootout and after i got the car  i straight away got out of Dutch and left there, and at that moment there was no 67 at there HQ and the ones that were there were all dead apart from the 2 guys that were AFK So i took one of the car of the dead guys and left in it, and this happened a minute after the shootout ended, and i was not baiting any shootouts since there was no 67 and we already killed them all there. 

 

Its also show in his POV that there was no 67 apart from the 2 AFK guys that were there, when i was pick locking the car and i was surrounded by Irish, and all the 67 that were there were dead.

Picture:  

Edited June 22, 2021 by paroshh

[DaMasterSplinter]

Hello Jules_Lahoud here, I would like to start by saying I do not have POV of what happened as the Povs provided are not mine, but I made this report as I have a past one made on them for the same reason of them coming to Dutch just start shit for no reason. My report is more focused on Connor_Moore as he is the one that started the whole situation by escalating the RP situation and providing such poor RP. I believe if you were getting chased and managed to kill one of the people you should rather leave and not go get the attention of the same gang just to shoot and have fun and bait them to shoot you over Jonas insulting you Icly after you did it. 

My report is divided to 2, one part reporting ID 39 (Connor_Moore) for his poor rp and baiting and the second part is for the Irish faction for them thinking its normal to go to a gang HQ with heavies to bait them as POV 1 and POV 3 shows how they run around with heavies out. [My past report got denied for not enough evidence and I am providing more evidence in this report] 

I would like to reply to Wayz, as seen you are picklocking the elegy which is the vehicle of the guy Afk next to it, and you were seen coming back after the whole situation and continue on picklocking the bike, with some 67 members sitting on the roof, the point is that you are all in a faction that's been official for a good time but you provide the other people with poor rp by escalating situations for no reason just to fight. 

Turtle I believe the other people mentioned in the report are some people that arrived after the thing happened which I don't blame them if they received a call on the radio to come to ducth and I do not have any pov of them doing anything that's worth reporting. On the other hand ID 39 can be seen baiting for Jonas to chase him/ fight him. By pulling out a micro on him. 

(sending this from my phone while at work sorry for any mistakes) 

EDIT to reply for the post below:

If you had a shootout at a gang HQ and there was still vehicles there you think its normal to go back and picklock the rest of the cars cause you had a shootout with them earlier? (the POV shows that there was 67 there while you picking the bike) there is no such rule that says you can go back to the scene and pick the rest of the cars. 

Edited June 22, 2021 by DaMasterSplinter

[paroshh]

"and you were seen coming back after the whole situation and continue on pick locking the bike",

Its Ture that i came back there and I'm  sure logs will show that I did not pick lock any bike or any car after i took the elegy and my BF was still at Dutch so i came back for it, I also don't think that its non RP to pick lock the cars of the guys you have had a fight with after a shootout at the same place, and i did not leave the and go back to pick lock cars i pick locked the elegy straight after the shootout and left in it then went back for the BF and logs can prove that i did not pick lock any cars when i went back and i went back for my BF which i dont think it a rule break, and i did not leave the area then go back to pick lock the elegy i pick locked the elegy straight after we killed the last 67 there.

this will be my last reply and i will not be going back and forth with you, I will be more than happy to answer any questions asked by admins. 

Edited June 22, 2021 by paroshh

[DaMasterSplinter]

Hello, sorry for editing too much and making multiple replies.

I just received a POV from the same situation and I find it better to group them all over here. In this POV you can see ID 12 killing this person for no reason. From what people have replied I find is that they had a shootout with some of us after baiting them to do so and they decided to continue by trying to rob the others as shown in the POV. The people were well aware that there is some over there which are AFK for a bit or doing something and are not involved in any sort of RP. ID 12 which is a Staff member can be seen killing this person for no reason or maybe trying to rob him for no reason at our HQ too. The person that was killed was not part of 67 as seen he was not wearing any blue but still Sean decided to try to rob him which ended by him crowbarring the person down (Poor RP, Maybe DM). I am really shocked seeing such RP from a Staff member, and that he got reported multiple times for DM which one is linked in the first post with Connor and the other one is still pending. In one of the report he said that we should try to reach out to the other party and teach them of what they did is wrong but he keep on doing the same things. In the end he is the Staff member who should know Rules better than us and provide better RP to the community, I will be linking the pending report down. 

Again I am really sorry for the replies but I am grouping up all the POVs to show how bad the experience was with this faction was.

 

POV : 

The pending report: 

EDIT to reply on the reply below:

I really don't have anything against you two oocly tbh, I made the report as I don't like the fact that you just ruin our RP experience while we are at dutch, as I said in my reply I am making the report on the fact that I have an old report on the same thing yet it was concluded with not enough evidence for baiting. It was a coincidence that the person that started this whole situation was Connor if it was another person I would have made the report either ways as it's the same faction that does it every time. 

I think that is the first report that I made on any of you two, If my memory is correct, I usually don't report people unless they ruin my experience on the server. Thanks

Edited June 22, 2021 by DaMasterSplinter

[IAmTurtle]

Pending Senior Admin+ as members of staff are involved. Please remember to refrain from going back and forth during this time.

[Aldarine]

Thank you for your patience while we have been reviewing this report. After reviewing the provided evidence as well as the statements provided within this thread, we have come to the conclusion that we will be denying this report.

There is no rule break seen within this reported situation. To address the first portion of evidence and the claim of baiting, there was a normal roleplay situation involving trash talking where subsequently a firearm was presented. Following ID 31 getting back into their vehicle, another firearm was aimed and shots began which, in turn, escalated the situation. Going forward to address the lock picking, it is quite poor to utilize selective reasoning to say that picklocking a dead person's vehicle is not okay but pulling out firearms and specifically shooting is alright. There was clear provocation within this situation on both sides and nothing of the sort is viewed as baiting nor non roleplay behavior. This was ultimately a situation that both sides knowingly and willingly participated within and the conclusion proceeded.

Finally, I fail to see where the reporting player is within any of the reported evidence. Please note that per the Player Report Requirements and Guidelines, the reporting player has to be involved in the situation as in presently there for the duration.

 

Best Regards,

Head Administrator Dqniel & Administrator Aldarine