Isaac_Crane [ID 184], Victor_Marke [ID 89] & Kaiden_Cruez [ID 49] - DM & NRP

[Zheic]

Player(s) being reported: ID 184, 89, 49
Date of interaction reported: 19/June/2021
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1624116471

Your character name: Stav Royer
Other player(s) involved: ID 186, ID 144

Specific rule(s) broken:

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper IC motive and interaction.
• Prior interaction should include escalation such as a robbery or a report to the police.
• Players must be able to explain their reason and provide proof of prior reasoning if requested.
• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand.

 

12. No Crime Zones (NCZ)

• Inside or very near to a No Crime Zone, indicated by the HUD or /NCZ command, players may not commit any crime or disobey law enforcement orders but are allowed to flee, lie, or scam IC.
• Players may not go to a NCZ within 15 minutes after engaging in criminal activity or a resulting chase, unless they are turning themselves in to law enforcement.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
Me, ID 186 and ID 144 were picking some plants at sealab, I hear over the radio that there is 3 guys, I pull out my weapon out of confusion, and then I started getting blasted from my left, I didn't point my gun to any of them to give them DM rights, and there was no prior interaction with any of those players either. Initially I thought the demands they shouted were invalid towards me only, but after seeing 186's POV I see that when ID 89 shouted demands towards ID 186 and 144, not only he was too far away but he wasn't pointing his gun either, therefore they are invalid. Regardless there is no excuse for shooting at us (and especially me since I didn't see anyone, but bullets flying straight towards me out of nowhere).

After I respawned at paleto MD, not only they arrived at a NCZ before the 15minutes (1st NCZ rulebreak), but with my elegy as well. I made a report ingame to confirm that's a rulebreak (2nd NCZ rulebreak).

I can provide a longer version of the footage if requested, but there is already a longer version in 184's pov.

I pmed them informing them to save pov and the rulebreaks but they clearly didn't wanna talk about it/solve it, hence why I'm making this report.

Evidence of rule breach:

https://streamable.com/yypyxt (DM)

https://streamable.com/rgxtho (ID 186's pov)

https://streamable.com/d4lut5 (NCZ)

 (telling them to save pov and informing them about the rulebreaks)

 

  (confirming with support the NCZ rulebreak)

[Deonoxic]

Hello Victor here.

Basically at sea lab we had been cooking there for a while when we seen these guys picking plants so we ran over to rob them. I aimed my gun and shouted demands around 2 times to make sure the people had seen it, then I waited for the others reaction and I shot as they started to leave there cars and pull guns. I feel I had DM rights because the woman seen my demands but chose to run off and not surrender herself. In the POV you can see that they all pull guns and intend on fighting when Kon says 'We can fight this'. Its clear they wanted to take the fight and if they had won this report would never have been made. 

For the NCZ thing I had no idea I couldnt enter a NCZ to get medical treatment after a shootout I thought it was only if your being chased or actively hunted. Does that mean you cant bring injured to MD after a fight. If i broke that rule by going and getting treatment then I truely am sorry and did not understand that was a rule but clearly understand it now.

Thanks for the staff members time have a great day !

(I was not informed to save POV therefore have none)

[Zheic]

1 hour ago, Deonoxic said:

I aimed my gun and shouted demands around 2 times to make sure the people had seen it

Doing so from super far away is doesn't grand you DM rights, and even if it did, they clearly weren't directed at me.

1 hour ago, Deonoxic said:

when Kon says 'We can fight this'. Its clear they wanted to take the fight and if they had won this report would never have been made. 

Whatever kon says on the radio (which you cannot hear) doesn't grand you DM rights either. And even if we won the shootout, I would still make a report as I don't enjoy bullets travelling towards me for no reason. The reason of the report isn't cause I lost a .50 and a chop, nor to feed your admin logs, it's so you guys understand what you did wrong, so you don't ruin other people's experience in the future.

1 hour ago, Deonoxic said:

For the NCZ thing I had no idea I couldnt enter a NCZ to get medical treatment after a shootout I thought it was only if your being chased or actively hunted.

This (and the whole situation) could easily be voided had your friend talk to me instead of saying "can you stop pming me" and "cut ooc".

 

1 hour ago, Deonoxic said:

(I was not informed to save POV therefore have none)

Again, your friend's fault for not informing you.

 

I won't be replying to anyone else now to avoid back and fourth unless requested by Staff.

Edited June 19, 2021 by Zheic

[Doan]

 

PLAYER REPORT PENDING REVIEW

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Thank you for submitting this player report.

This report will now be pending review by myself & @CaesarSeizure. During this time, we ask you to refrain from any back-and-forth in this report between players involved.

Regards,

Doan & Caesar.

[CaesarSeizure]

PENDING RESPONSE
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Thank you for submitting this report. Please be patient as we review the evidence. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• Isaac_Crane [ID 184] @KanielScofield- Could you please provide your side of the story? Why did you open fire on the reporting parties? Do you believe you had valid DM rights to fire upon the reporting group? Why can you be seen at Paleto MD less than 15minutes after you had conducted illegal activities? Why did you get in a stolen vehicle in a NCZ after ID 84 arrived in it? Please provide any and all POV that you might have.
• Victor_Marke [ID 89] @Deonoxic - Do you believe that shouting from a long distance is considered valid demands? If your intention was to receive medical treatment for your gunshot wounds, why did you take the stolen vehicle there, rather than making use of one of your own vehicles?
• Kaiden_Cruez [ID 49] @Strike151- Could you please provide your side of the story? Why did you open fire on the reporting parties? 
• Lulu_Feather [ID 144] @Lulu-Chan - As you were the closest to ID 184, could you please provide your POV and provide your side of the story?
• Kon_Xiao [ID 186] @Kon - Could you please provide your side of the story and provide your POV of the situation?
• Stav_Royer [ID 87] @Zheic - Could you please provide full POV of the situation at Paleto MD?

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Doan & Caesar

[Deonoxic]

When leaving the scene we hopped in the car to ensure we make a escape safely as we know the gang '67' has multiple members and could be ENROUTE so we decided to just hop in that car without thinking. It was all in the moment and we didnt think that this was a rule as the owner of the vehicle is dead, as I said I understand this rule now and didnt before and I will again apologise for the NCZ rule as it was just mistaken and we didnt realise. But I do think the demands where valid as we where close enough for the woman to hear and there was 3 of us aiming .50s so they should have been able to see us aproaching. In their POV it shows that Kon acknowledges us straight away as the demands are given therefore I think the demands where valid because we gave them plenty of time to give themselves up but they refused which led to a gunfight.

[KanielScofield]

Hello, Isaac here. Ok so firstly for the Deathmatching side of the report as you can see in the reporting parties POV he clearly aims at us first and even lands the first shot on us, it was not until he began shooting at me near the bush that I then began shooting back. The reason we were at Paleto MD was to get treatment from our gunshot wounds. "Why did you get in a stolen vehicle in a NCZ after ID 84 arrived in it?" ID 84 did not arrive in the vehicle as it can clearly be seen in the POV that ID 89 (The player I was an ally of during the shootout) drove it there and I took it from him as he needed to be treated at paleto MD.

[Zheic]

1 hour ago, CaesarSeizure said:

Stav_Royer [ID 87] @Zheic - Could you please provide full POV of the situation at Paleto MD?

https://streamable.com/ie2tx9

44 minutes ago, KanielScofield said:

Ok so firstly for the Deathmatching side of the report as you can see in the reporting parties POV he clearly aims at us first and even lands the first shot on us

I aimed at the vehicle, to roll. Didn't aim at anyone, didn't even know where you were even if I wanted to aim. If you're talking about 186's pov he literally shot after you guys started shooting. Not sure what POV you are referring to.

 

[KanielScofield]

34 minutes ago, Zheic said:

https://streamable.com/ie2tx9

I aimed at the vehicle, to roll. Didn't aim at anyone, didn't even know where you were even if I wanted to aim. If you're talking about 186's pov he literally shot after you guys started shooting. Not sure what POV you are referring to.

 

So in your POV firstly you can see yourself aiming towards us (It may of been at the vehicle yes but you were still aiming in our direction so there's no way at all that we could of known this as it was still in our direction.) Also from 186's POV you can see him and the female next to him aiming right at us which is when we opened fire at her.

[Deonoxic]

You still aimed towards multiple men who where clearly giving demands to you ? So what your trying to say is your intent was not to start a gunfight yet you get out of your car and aim a gun the direction of the opposition, it just dosent make sense to me. 

The last comment I will be adding unless asked by a member of staff. Thanks !

41 minutes ago, Zheic said:

https://streamable.com/ie2tx9

I aimed at the vehicle, to roll. Didn't aim at anyone, didn't even know where you were even if I wanted to aim. If you're talking about 186's pov he literally shot after you guys started shooting. Not sure what POV you are referring to.

 

 

[Lulu-Chan]

Hello, I am [ID 144] and would inform you that I do not have a POV of the situation that occurred in this. 

• Lulu_Feather [ID 144] @Lulu-Chan - As you were the closest to ID 184, could you please provide your POV and provide your side of the story?

Basically, we were just picking plants at labs. I heard Kon speaking on the radio that someone gave out demands so I started to run towards Kon and Stav. Then I got shot at from behind. I wish I had footage about this but I forgot to turn it on.

Edited June 21, 2021 by Lulu-Chan
I need to edit it alot more accidently sent it

[Kon]

hello! ID 186 (Kon Xiao) here,

 

• Kon_Xiao [ID 186] @Kon - Could you please provide your side of the story and provide your POV of the situation?

 

Firstly my POV was already included in the original report by Stav: https://streamable.com/rgxtho

 

So, me Lulu and Stav were picking plants, I went to reposition my car when I started to see someone shouting demands in chat using /s at 0:13. I had no idea where they were but decided to retreat towards my friends which is when I saw 2 people running/jumping towards us with weapons drawn but not aimed from the south of the lab towards us. I got out my vehicle, and before I was even able to draw my weapon they began firing upon Lulu (ID 144) as she was running away from them at 0:23 in my POV https://prnt.sc/167ps18 you can see the bullet trail here: https://prnt.sc/167r1e 

That is when I began to aim and fire back upon them. 

As you can clearly see in my POV, they weren't aiming, nor even close to her when they began giving demands and then firing upon her.

In response to:

21 hours ago, KanielScofield said:

Hello, Isaac here. Ok so firstly for the Deathmatching side of the report as you can see in the reporting parties POV he clearly aims at us first and even lands the first shot on us

You guys aimed and shot at us first in all POV's provided, so really no idea what you're talking about :s

Stav's POV at 0:07 https://prnt.sc/167sgzo while he's driving you can see I hadn't even got my gun out yet and you guys were already shooting ID 144.

Stav's POV at 0:15 https://prnt.sc/167sawk you shot at him first while he was running to his car

 

Thanks for your time.

[Doan]

PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSE

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Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided this report can not be concluded at this time. The following player(s) will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours:

 

Isaac_Crane, Victor_Marke & Kaiden_Cruez│ID 184, 89 & 49 @KanielScofield@Deonoxic@Strike - Which one of you is it that shoots at ID 144 (Lulu_Feather) in the evidence provided from the perspective of ID 184 (Kon_Xiao) (See picture here)?

 

If the player(s) above fail to respond within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded, based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of my ability.

Regards,

Doan & Caesar.

[Deonoxic]

2 hours ago, Doan said:

PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSE

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Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided this report can not be concluded at this time. The following player(s) will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours:

 

Isaac_Crane, Victor_Marke & Kaiden_Cruez│ID 184, 89 & 49 @KanielScofield@Deonoxic@Strike - Which one of you is it that shoots at ID 144 (Lulu_Feather) in the evidence provided from the perspective of ID 184 (Kon_Xiao) (See picture here)?

 

If the player(s) above fail to respond within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded, based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of my ability.

Regards,

Doan & Caesar.

Im the one who decides to shoot Lulu, the reason I shoot her is because she is the person we are given demands too and when we give those demands she runs off using her radio which i feel gives me DM rights. As we had given her demands and Id also like to add just because you cannot see us point does not mean we didnt we pointed for a bit then when the people ran off we obviously had to put our weapons down to get closer and re position.

[Strike151]

Hello this is kaiden Cruez,

There is nothing much for me to say as a I started shooting after the shootout started (when they shot back) nothing much to add.

[Zheic]

Me and ID 184 spoke in-game OOCly through PMs and came to a mutual agreement about what happened and what rules were broken. It seems like they understand what they did wrong and why I made the report, so since that is the case I would prefer to not have any punishments being issued and to close & archive this report if that is fine by the people reviewing it. Regardless of the result I would like to thank @Doan and @CaesarSeizure for reviewing it.

[Doan]

 

PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED

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Thank you for your patience while this report has been under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached, we have decided to accept this report and issue the following punishment(s):

 

Victor_Marke│ID 89: Spoken to about DM & NRP - As shown in the evidence, you gave demands from a great distance without the reporting parties even knowing of your physical presence. You also started shooting at ID 144 (Lulu_Feather) after giving invalid demands and thinking that the enemies speaking on the radio gives you DM rights. Make sure that when you give demands, they can be heard even if you don't use /s, as well as saying it when you are standing closer to your enemies so they can see you and know where you are giving demands from. Speaking on the radio would not give you immediate DM rights in hostile situations, it could however give you rights to rob them (depending on the location and what the radio call was). Make note of all of this in the future as you RP on the server.

 

If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format.

This report is now locked and archived.

Regards,

Doan & Caesar.