Emil_Stokes [ID 193] & Igor_Nikulin [ID 270] - NRP

[Ruiz]

Required Report Format 
Player(s) being reported: IDs: 125, 270, 193, 268, 43 156, 77, 308, 275, 31, 27, 252,
Date of interaction reported: 13/06/2021.
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1623523643

Your character name: Marquis Willie
Other player(s) involved: Russian Mob

Specific rule(s) broken:

Player Theft, Prison Breakout, and Kidnapping

• Robberies should be conducted in a realistic manner with reasonable in-character motive using secluded areas. Players should not conduct minor robberies in situations with high risk. Desert or forest areas are considered secluded but witnesses should still be considered.
• One cannot force victims to withdraw money, sell script assets, or give assets not present IC.
• One cannot steal from players with NEW PLAYER above their head unless they have deliberately taken part in an active crime scene in which protection is temporarily lost.
• Players may not steal from their faction treasury as the F4 menu is OOC.
• Permission for prison break must be approved by a Senior Moderator+ prior to the attempt.
• Players may participate in no more than 1 prison break attempt within 1 OOC week.
• Players are allowed to kidnap or to take other players hostage for only these specific reasons:
• You have to have a roleplay reason to attack the victim in accordance with the DM rules.
• If you attempt to commit robbery of a property, you are allowed to hold the players within that property until you have finished the robbery. An NPC is not a valid hostage.
• All included players may not take another hostage for 1 OOC week if police are involved.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
Vory Mafia called Russian Mob for a meeting, they pulled up and most of them pulled out a gun attempting to rob us one of us took out his .50 and the shootout started. In my opinion, Vory Mafia decided to plan a robbery at the meeting before they pulled up but there was no reason, also sad to say I feel Vory Mafia ain't here to RP, all they wanted is to come up wipe us take our loot, and go, if Vory were here to RP they would've come up to us talk about business, etc, also if a couple of people of both of the factions had a shootout that doesn't give them the rights to rob the whole faction, once again this is the first meeting we attempted to make with them, they don't have a single reason to rob us or attempt to kill us which makes them breach the rules Player Theft and Not here to RP.

Evidence of rule breach:

This POV belongs to Jero Miller.

https://youtu.be/bB98sKe9_3o

Edited June 13, 2021 by Ruiz

[Meowksius]

Hello and thank you for making this report and a big thank you for the administrator team whos going to look through the whole thing,

Im writting on behave of Vory faction, but if anyone has anything to add Im urging them to do so. As the reporting party says this is indeed the first meeting between our factions, although I myself was taking a part in interaction between our factions. To start things off there has already been multiple firefights between our faction in locations such as labs. So this is not the first time we meet, its just the first official meeting. Some of the interactions in with I was included was in prison, labs. The lab interactions were nothing special since then ever we encountered them they would aim guns and the interactions would result in firefights witch my character remembers perfectly well since he was not killed and has enough IC reason to hold a grudge against the reporting parties faction.

Another was with Dimitri in jail where he couldn't keep his tongue in check and trashed talked not only me, but the whole vory mafia in general, this also resulted in a fist fight witch we lost and got taken to the DOC medical center in witch NLR doesnt applie when you die there since of the admin marker. This also give IC reason and motivation for my and my friend characters to hold the reporting faction in the bad side. Also the same day Jamal_Debose and David_Nickelback (Vasiok), was on the reporting factions frequency, where trashtalk erupted between the both factions, this information was also told to my character witch give even more IC reason to be hostile. I think this explains the whole reasoning for us being hostile in the first meeting between our factions.

Second thing I would like to point out is, that we did not plan to neither rob nor have a shootout with the faction, even though the area was secluded considering its an illegal shipment drop location. the whole incident happened because of a FRP rulebreak leaving us with no other choice but to shoot and afterwards loot the reporting parties faction. The whole plan discussed between Vory Mafias High-Command was to put them on gunpoint and show that we do not intend to stop hostile intent without proper conpensation for their actions against our faction, to further expand our already developed IC interactions leading up to this.

 

As to how FRP rule was broken on their side you can see from our sides POV: 

In this POV we pull guns first and give clear demands to witch almost no one complies, even in this POV you can also hear our side saying not to shoot those who put their hands up since we wanted to send a message and for NLR not to make the message useless.

 

Including a former report witch looks very simillar: 

 

The last thing I would like to point out is that if you look at all the scenarios leading up to this it makes no sense to report for not here to rp and it looks like a report witch was made from OOC Toxicity since their faction lost. We could have also made a report for FRP, but decided not to since we don't want player to receive punishment and to just be able to enjoy the game, if the admin team takes time to look out through all the reports they would see that not a single report was written from our side, and were definetly were things we could have reported (Not talking about this faction but the community as a whole). We encourage our player to solve rulebreaks between players them selves to keep the community healthy and not to result in unnessary punishments.

I would also like to again thank the administrator team looking through this report and urge to ask us further question if they arise.

Thank you again, Meowksius

 

[jason]

PENDING REVIEW
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Hi there! Thank you for submitting this player report.

This report will now be pending review by myself and @Doan. During this time, we ask that you please refrain from any back-and-forth in this report between anyone involved.

Regards,
jason & Doan

[Doan]

PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSE

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Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided this report can not be concluded at this time. The following player(s) will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours:

 

Dimitri_Mandojev & David_Buck│ID 165 & 83 @Dimja@OBhx - Can you explain your actions showcased before the shootout? Provide any evidence you may have.

Emil_Stokes│ID 193 - Can you explain why you immediately started telling people to take your gun instead of roleplaying your injuries or showing value for your life over a firearm? Provide any evidence you may have.

Igor_Nikulin│ID 270 @Heitas - Can you explain why you started giving callouts while injured instead of roleplaying your injuries? Provide any evidence you may have.

 

If the player(s) above fail to respond within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded, based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of my ability.

Regards,

Doan & jason.

[Meowksius]

1 hour ago, Doan said:

 

Emil_Stokes│ID 193 - Can you explain why you immediately started telling people to take your gun instead of roleplaying your injuries or showing value for your life over a firearm? Provide any evidence you may have.

 

Well to put it simply I just didn't want to go to jail and get additional charges for the gun, that's why I wanted my gun of me. I honestly don't believe that those few lines of me saying "take my gun" ruined any ones roleplay experience and to receive a  punishment for such a simple mistake witch will be corrected in the future would simply be too harsh.

And if little mistakes should be punished I think both sides should account for their actions such as this:  witch is giving IC info by OOC means.

[Dimja]

Hi Dimitri here!

Thank you handlers for taking this report, I will now provide my story.

I had no interactions with this faction before this meeting. They only came on freq once, where they trashtalked and I simply told the Russian to come to HQ for new freq. No other encounters that I know of with Vory. Their leader called me for a meeting that night. Words in the city were that this group was very aggresive and that they dont do diplomacy. Therefore,  I was quite hesitant to agree to come as they might want to kill us. However, I was convinced that these guys would have some diplomacy and wanted to talk as this was our first time meeting each other.

 

In the provided video, I could barely hear the demands giver. His voice was quiet and it could be that he was whispering. At 0:14 in the reported players POV, ID 193 can be seen rolling to skip the animation of pulling out the .50, hence bug abusing. I made a little jump cause of the sudden guy rolling in front of me, but then realized he had a gun pointed at me so I put away mine, complying to his demands. I stood there for around 3 seconds with my hands up, till they started shooting me. At this point, I was bound to die even if I complied, so I ran to cover where I took out my .50 and returned fire. I do think I show enough value for my life, cause like I stated: I was being shot even with my hands up and complying. Therefore the only reasonable thing to do, was run for cover

I am quite shocked about how this went down. Our factions have never properly met each other or have properly interacted. They set up a meeting pure to kill us. Not a single word was exchanged even though I was willing to talk as this was our first time meeting. They only robbed us earlier for a heavy pistol, but that does not seem such a big deal ICLY for me.

Feel free to ask for more questions.

[OBhx]

Hello David Buck here!

First of all I would like to thank to the handlers for taking care of this report.

First of all I would like to only say that I only had interaction with this faction one time when we got robbed during a store robbery (Report already opened about the situation).

Before the shootout happen we were supposed to have a meeting, I went besides Dimitri and stood like any regular meeting, when they left their vehicles I saw on guy withdrawing his firearm then suddenly aimed at Dimitri targeting him so I was basically going backward a bit and withdrawing with my pistol. I believe that there was nobody who had a gunpoint on me between the time I was withdrawing my .50 which didn't put my character life in danger.

 

My POV: https://youtu.be/fDFpeUlNN2U

 

Feel free to ask for more questions.

 

[Heitas]

Igor_Nikulin│ID 270 @Heitas - Can you explain why you started giving callouts while injured instead of roleplaying your injuries? Provide any evidence you may have.

Hello, My character is - Igor Nikulin 270 ID.

So the main thing why I started to give information before any roleplay is that - I got shot, then I went to save POV, and when it saved i saw the guy 165 ID really close to me, and I thought he will end me, so before he does that, i wrote in chat that there's one guy behind dominator, so i would have a better chance to live. I didn't shout and I thought it's okey to do so. But as I can see, I wasn't right, but either way I can see, we all did mistakes...
There's my POV :

In this POV it's hard to see someone breaking Fear-roleplay (maybe just a minor fear-roleplay) breaks, but in "Meowksius" first comment on this topic you can see a few. And in addicion -  They knew how much of us were total, and there was 5-7 people on back up to shoot from behind if needed, so that information could be used IC very easily.

Thank you for attention,
Just a player, Heitas.

[Doan]

PLAYER REPORT PENDING RESPONSE

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Thank you for your patience while this report is under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided this report can not be concluded at this time. The following player(s) will be required to provide their side of the story from this situation within the next twenty-four (24) hours:

 

Jesse_Whiteman│@Heisenberger - Can you explain why you were relaying IC information in faction chat while in an active situation? Provide any evidence you may have.

 

If the player(s) above fail to respond within the next twenty-four (24) hours, this report will be concluded, based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of my ability.

Regards,

Doan & jason.

[jason]

REPORT ACCEPTED
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After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, we've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following player(s):

• Emil_Stokes (193) - NonRP | Failing to roleplay injuries | Telling players to take his gun while injured after being shot multiple times.

• Igor_Nikulin (270) - NonRP | Failing to roleplay injuries | Giving callouts while injured after being shot multiple times.

• Jesse_Whiteman - Spoken to about relaying information through faction chat that has the potential to affect an active RP situation.

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@Meowksius @Heitas You will both be receiving NonRP punishments for your failure to realistically roleplay the effect that being shot and injured would have on your ability to speak and relay information as showcased in the POVs shown in this report. While injured, you should not be telling people "Take my gun" which shows no value for your life, only your items. Additionally, providing callouts while laying on the ground injured from multiple bullet wounds isn't considered realistic as you'd more than likely be more focused on stopping your own bleeding or at the very least wincing from the pain that being shot by a .50cal round would cause you.

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@Heisenberger You're being spoken to about relaying information through faction chat that has the potential to affect an active RP situation. We fully understand talking about a shootout after it's done with your friends OOCly and discussing kill count even though that shouldn't really be a concern of yours in an RP server. Back onto the point of this though, please reserve this talk for after the situation is over. In this instance, your words had the potential to affect the decisions of your allies in active roleplay scene. Had this resulted in more people showing up or any change, this could have ended up in a more severe punishment as your intentions would be far more questionable and would have had a large effect on the situation.

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@Dimja You will not be receiving a punishment for the actions inquired upon in this report. Your response is truthful in stating that you put your gun away and put your hands up once your mistake was realized. While some may argue that this is what caused the situation to become a shootout, it is evident in David_Buck's POV that he would have pulled his gun regardless of whether or not you did as you're not visible in his POV. 

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Lastly, Vory as a whole will not be receiving a punishment or warning regarding their actions displayed in this report. Their explanation of the situation is realistically viable, regardless of your past interactions. It is known in criminal diplomacy, or the lack thereof, that gangs may organize a meeting disguised as a civil relations meetup with their intentions being either violent or being an intimidation ambush. They claim the latter, and this claim is backed up by the fact that they attempted to keep at least one of you alive as to not enact NLR and cause you all to forget the situation. This can be heard over their radio comms when they state to not kill the person(s) with their hands up. Unfortunately, they chose to pull their weapon and join the shootout instead of keeping their hands up which resulted in them being shot too. I would like to make it clear that I'm not condemning that person for dropping their hands. It makes more sense to take cover than it does to just stand in the middle of a shootout with your hands up.

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If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. 

Regards,
jason & Doan