Zineth_Perera [ID 49] No Fear RP, Broke NLR multiple times, Relogging to avoid report, Used Knowledge from previous Life

[Ad4mh]

Player(s) being reported: ID 49/ID 99
Date of interaction reported: 05/June/2021
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1622872909
Your characters name: Aadam_Anderson
Other player(s) involved: ID 51

Specific rule(s) broken:

11. New Life Rule (NLR)

Upon a player's death all parties involved in the death should forget memory of all information and any negative interactions and events leading up to the death.
Information prior to the death should be completely forgotten and is no longer valid justification for any future hostile action against those involved. 
Players can’t return to the area of death until the prior RP is finished and 30 min OOC pass.
13. Fear Roleplay (FRP)

Fear RP is showing appropriate care and concern to preserve your character's safety and life.
If a player's life is in direct danger they must RP adequate fear and comply with demands.
If an attacker lowers their weapon to type, victims which were under fear RP remain as so.
How did the player break the rule(s)? 

I followed a ID 49 to his apartment after he robbed ID 51 of his dufflebag. I waited outside his apartment to attempt to get it back. ID 49 initially had his hands up when told and went into the apartment. ID 49  then broke Fear RP and started to attack us. After ID 51 and myself fought back and killed ID 49 in defense, ID 49 came back to the apartment breaking New Life Rule. ID 49 then locked the apartment while I was away, trapping ID 51 inside. ID 49 then claimed he was getting off for the night , then relogged two separate times to try to cover his tracks.  After it was all said and done his new ID was 99 came back to the apartment when I was no longer there, entered using knowledge he had from his previous life to be prepared, and then murder ID 51. I don't have evidence of that last part since I wasn't able to enter the apartment, but it should be in the logs.

Evidence of rule breach: 
https://streamable.com/vlkl61

https://streamable.com/2zi0dg

https://streamable.com/wlat6m

https://imgur.com/a/kcum6YQ

[jason]

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Hi there! Thank you for submitting this player report.

This report will now be pending review by myself. During this time, we ask that you please refrain from any back-and-forth in this report between anyone involved.

Regards,
jason

[CaesarSeizure]

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Thank you for submitting this report. Please be patient as we review the evidence. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• Aadam_Anderson [ID 134] @Ad4mh- Why can you be heard mixing in your own footage on multiple occasions by referencing to player IDs, "recording"?
• Zineth_Perera [ID 49/99] - Why did you attempt to fight your way out when one of the reporting party threatened you with a gun? Additionally, why did you return to the scene of your death, are you aware of the NLR rules? Please provide any footage that you might have.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
jason & Caesar

Edited June 5, 2021 by CaesarSeizure

[Zineth]

Hello There, Zineth Perera here.

First Of All Thanks for the Admins that is taking this report.

Zineth_Perera [ID 49/99] - Why did you attempt to fight your way out when one of the reporting party threatened you with a gun?

In My Pov which I am Gonna link down below I didnt saw the guy with the gun. I Only saw his friend with a knife who said me enter the apartment. So I Entered and waited for him to come in So I can give him demands or stab him to Rescue my life from this death since he only had a knife. ( If I saw the guy with the gun I wouldn't Do this because I know he can kill me easily because he have a gun and that would be FearRP ) And his friend with a gun entered and Kills me and mixed saying " WTF are you doing? You cant do that. That's Recorded. Save POV on that one" Which is Mixing rule broken.

POV:https://streamable.com/ntuogy


Additionally, why did you return to the scene of your death, are you aware of the NLR rules?

For This Question I came infront of the Apartment but never entered it Because I would know it would be NLR but once after 30 minutes passed I got a Alert about them trying to Boltcut Or doing something to the property. So I Took a gun from my other apartment. And get ready to save my friend's apartment getting raided. So I headed over there and killed the guy and saved the Apartment.

I don't Have POV for this interaction sadly but logs can be checked that I killed him after 30 minutes later.


PS: There was no reason behind this house raid Which IS a NRP house raid. They just randomly comes to my floor for no reason and Started to raid me... 
For The ID change thing My game crashed few times and He Mixed on that one aswell saying "Nice Try You have the same number so I know its your" Which is Powergame in my opinion

Kind Regards,
Zineth Perera.


 

Edited June 5, 2021 by Zineth

[Ad4mh]

Hello Caesar and Jason,

 

I meant to refer to recording as me having a body cam and I accidently referred to POV IC chat because his blatant rule breaking got me excitable and broke my immersion, I did try to mainly use OOC or PM afterwards. I'm sorry about that and will try to make sure it doesnt happen again.

 

As for Zenith claiming his game crashed, here's a screenshot of him telling me he's going to bed and then when I tried to respond he was offline.

 

Thanks, Aadam

[Zineth]

Hello there,
Zineth Perera here,

I would like to Add something to the Note: It was night for me which I was about to head to sleep but I didnt went to sleep because I was Afraid that a Admin could've Came Ingame and give me a punishment without asking any evidence from me... I Crashed about 2 times logs can be checked And I reconnected back because I was Afraid that a Admin Could've Handled it ingame without my evidence

[CaesarSeizure]

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We would like to ask more follow-up questions of the involved parties to assist us with reaching a conclusion.

Aadam_Anderson [ID 134] @Ad4mh- Could you also explain the reason for the attempted house raid? You stated that this was due to the reported party stealing a bag from ID 51, do you have footage to support these claims? Additionally, do you think attempting to house raid someone over a bag is a proper level of response to stealing a bag? Could you also provide full POV of the situation, as there is no proof of the reported party logging mid RP or locking ID 51 inside, and your POV appears to be cut in varying lengths?

Hyunwoo_Lee [ID 51] - Could you also explain the reason for the attempted house raid? It was stated that this was due to the reported party stealing a bag from you, do you have footage to support these claims? Additionally, do you think attempting to house raid someone over a bag is a proper level of response to stealing a bag? Please provide any additional footage that you might have as well.

Zineth_Perera [ID 49/99] @Zineth- Could you please provide full POV of the interaction you had with the reporting party in the apartment?

Regards,
Jason & Caesar

[Ad4mh]

Aadam here .

I only wanted the bag back, I had no intention of raiding the house. I don't have the footage, I was basing it off of what ID 51 said when I drove back to pick him up. I believe following him to his place of residence in the moment to get the bag back is a proper level of response, I didn't camp out or make plans for the future to raid him or take anything else. I ended up driving off on my bike and returning, with player ID 49 outside and finding the door now locked and player ID 51 stuck inside. He made an admin report so an admin could get him out but he was killed by Zineth before he got a response. I put relative parts together and some parts were cut due to me alt tabbing to start a report, the mid rp logging was after I started the report so I added it afterwards. I can send all uncut footage if you'd like but it would have to be Monday since im now away from my computer until then.

 

Thanks

              

[Zineth]

8 hours ago, CaesarSeizure said:

Zineth_Perera [ID 49/99] @Zineth- Could you please provide full POV of the interaction you had with the reporting party in the apartment?

Hello Sadly The Only POV I have is that POV. 

After my injuring process his friend kills me and I woke up at the hospital after 30 minutes is gone I got a notification about them trying to unlock my door via the small notification coming from the bottom right whenever someone picklocks a bike or a property. So I strapped up and went to the apartment from that knowledge in my opinion its not considered NLR since 30 minutes had been past

[leekev5]

Hyunwoo Lee here- sorry for the delay, when I was alerted of this, the forum was down and couldn't respond.

Going to echo that the intent was to only retrieve my property back, not a full on house raid. I also want to not the third ID as player 72. 

Video 1 - Footage of theft 

https://streamable.com/n6v3p1

After Player 49/99/72 had died - we attempted 1 bolt cut approximately 10 minutes after his death. We were able to enter/exit from the apartment at that time as Adam Anderson was able to get a set of bolt cutters. After Aadam Anderson left the apartment again, he had run into Player 49/99/72 at the base floor of the building. When prompted about the NLR, player 49/99/72 stated that he is allowed there just not at his apartment. After Adam returned to come back into the apartment, he noted that the door to the unit was now locked (approx 15 minutes after player 49/99/72 death). At this time, I attempted to leave the unit but I could not because I was locked inside. 

I submitted an admin report at this time because while I understood being locked in an apartment was an IC issue, I did not feel that being locked inside an apartment as a result of a broken NLR was an IC issue (A report ticket should exist for this)

Video 2 - Me standing around after the admin report. No further attempt to break into the apartment. I was looking for any rules/guidance to understand how to handle this situation. Player 49/99 and now player 72 comes in with a gun. I am not sure if I was intentionally locked in here so that he could wait out the NLR and come in and kill me. 

https://streamable.com/yiv6e0

Edited June 7, 2021 by leekev5
Tried to fix sound to prove I wasn't meta gaming but it's not a streamable issue, it's an issue with my recordings in general. Just no sound. That's something I need to fix on recoding end

[Zineth]

Hello. Zineth Perera here,

As you can see in the evidence given by Hyunwoo Lee They are not communicating each other via Radio/Phone/Texts and they know what they are doing which gets a suspicoius about metagaming... And The Audio was cutted out in the Povs Aswell. Is there any way that I can request a further investigation of their strange behaviour...

Kind Regards,
Zineth Perera.

[jason]

REPORT ACCEPTED
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After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, we've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following player(s):

• Zineth_Perera (49) - NonRP | NLR | Returning to an active scene that involved his death.

• Aadam_Anderson (134) - NonRP | Mixing | Repeatedly mixing IC & OOC over VOIP involving saving POV and player IDs.

• Aadam_Anderson (134) - Spoken to about valid reasoning for a house raid.

• Hyunwoo_Lee (51) - Spoken to about valid reasoning for a house raid.

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@Zineth You're going to receiving and NLR punishment because you returned to an active scene that involved your death. NLR is not just a countdown that allows you to return to the area regardless of the circumstances, it's to completely cut you off from anything that led up to your death from your previous "life." In this case, you returned to the scene that directly caused your death and acted on it, altering the situation where it otherwise would not have happened.

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@Ad4mh You're receiving a mixing punishment for repeatedly referring to OOC subjects over VOIP. In the future, do not lie about your mistakes in a report in an attempt to justify your rulebreaks. Had you called it an honest mistake rather than trying to say you're referring to "IC bodycam" then you would have gotten out of this with just a warning. But, since you lied about it, you clearly demonstrated that you know what you did is wrong and attempted to hide it. We are sure that you lied to us due to the fact that it makes absolutely no sense to tell someone you're killing "That's fuckin recorded" in reference to IC bodycam. Why would that matter to them? They're about to die.

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@Ad4mh@leekev5 Someone stealing your bag is not a strong enough reason to attempt a house raid which leads to the death of one or more people. Would you break into someone's house and end up killing them in real life over a cheap duffel bag? A house raid should be done with strong IC motive either against that character or you know that there's very high value items within the house. Good reasons would be you see them walk in with multiple heavy weapons, you see them constantly entering with crates that you've seen come from an illegal import, or they've recently house raided you and injured you or killed an ally in the process. Bad reasons would be seeing them enter with a .50, knowing that they're a part of a rival gang, or seeing them enter or exit with a hazmat suit on.

As you both seem to have genuinely misunderstood this and didn't appear to do it with the knowledge that it's wrong, you'll just be receiving a note on your accounts stating that you've been spoken to about this issue. This is not a punishment, just a note for future administrators should you enter the same situation.

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If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. 

Regards,
jason & Caesar