Steven_Dawson [44] PG

[MrWukong]

 

Player(s) being reported: ID 44
Date of interaction reported: 6/4/2021
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1622851825

Your character name: Brian Guffy
Other player(s) involved: ID 23

Specific rule(s) broken:
10. Power Gaming(PG)

Using unfair tactics to gain an advantage while playing

Using unrealistic actions in roleplay and gameplay to your advantage

 

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
ID 44 and his friends were stealing my car taking advantage of animations. He was staring at the grey sultan and made it seem like he was stealing that car instead of my grey Omnis. ID 44 in the clip is heard saying "I'm taking the sultan I don't care" and his friends response ID 23 saying "I'm going to lock it as soon as you get into it" They were purposefully using the lockpick animation aimed at the sultan all making it seem like he was stealing that car instead. He then gets into my Omnis after lockpicking it and drives off immediately. He was specifically using the lockpick animation unfairly to his advantage to steal my car and not make it seem like he was stealing it. This is unrealistic and use of unfair gameplay for his advantage. 

Evidence of rule breach:
 

 

Edited June 5, 2021 by MrWukong

[Doan]

PLAYER REPORT PENDING REVIEW

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Thank you for submitting this player report.

This report will now be pending review by myself & @freshprinceIE. During this time, we ask you to refrain from any back-and-forth in this report between players involved.

Regards,

Doan & freshprinceIE.

[freshprinceIE]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• @Nixon88 - Steven_Dawson (ID44) - Can you provide your side to this? Why can you be heard saying that you are going to take the Sultan yet scriptly you are picking the Omnis? Why did you start the animation so that it looks like you are picklocking the Sultan? Please provide your POV if you have it available. Do you believe that these actions were fair and realistic?

• @EM3RGENCY - Brett_Macleod (ID23) - What was your involvement? Is the Sultan your vehicle? Did you purposely place it there so that Steven could picklock it? If you have any POV, especially of you arriving in the car, please post it. You were clearly a particpant in this scenario, do you feel that this entire scenario was fair on the reporter? Was this realistic?

• @Joshc7531 - Paddy_Walsh (ID117) - Please provide your side to this. You were also a particpant in this scenario, do you feel that this entire scenario was fair on the reporter? Was this realistic?

• @MrWukong - Brian_Guffy (ID127) - The unix timestamp given is wrong, please update it. If you have more footage please provide it. We would like to see the start of this situation, when the sultan first arrives.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Moderator Doan & Senior Support freshprinceIE

 

 

[Nixon88]

Hi there, first of all i would like to state that the accuser did not ask me to save POV until over 31 minutes after the incident. I normally have a vast ammount of POV footage saved from my Nvidia capture but I was not asked to save the incident until it was far beyond my save window which is unfair in my defence of the incident. In my eyes I was facing toward the back of the cars (sea side, north), 

The pick attampt on the car was infact the second attempt at picking the car and the owner was only present because they would have recieved a notification of the failed attempt previous. The dialog iI was engaging with was with Brett_Macleod  was to buy me time while i was perfoming the second action, at no stage did the people attempt stop me from robbing the car despite being notified.

Previous to this incident there was another car I stole and I recieved a PM stating the person who's car was stolen Code 0'd and didnt post on the Discord, I was understanding as I always am and returned the vehicle as if nothing happened, but even in that case the person told me to save POV imediatly which is the correct procedure,I did not have to provide the fottage as the person said if the car comes back we can RP the incident never happened.

When i recieved the PM from the person who's car i stole (ID 224) I even stated that if the theft was a really bad hinderence to them I would cover the 6k mors payment for the car, its not about the money but about the roleplay of being a car thief.  At the end of the day in my eyes I was facing in the correct direction and was not told to save my POV which is just unfair for any defence of mine nor were any of the others informed to save POV. What I can provide is screen shots of the PMs with time stamps

Also because this is a game and  it is permitted to perform such actions like car theft in public, there were no police, we were masked and had a get away car, thats what the sultan was for (provide a quick getway and cover if police drovce onto the pier), people also lie to victims IRL to cause deception around crimes,  I do believe I was right in my actions of perfoming the theft, this game/mod can be quite buggy in persepective for player, people  performing actions and movements dont appear as they would to others due to issue like with desync,

-Twisted bodies like EMT's providing BLS

-Car crashes that happen in your eyes but not in the other persons eyes

-Fist fights with hands by your side

-Drawing weapons with no upper body movement

-People not standing where other people see them,

-Picking locks or cleaning weapons with hads stuck by there sides

etc....

I was only goin to be stealing the car I was beside not 3 cars down and I was facing it in my eyes and the owner had recieved the notification of a failed pick but also we did not stop the pick as they didnt not threaten myself with any harm which did not cause me any fear for my life.

2 of my screen shott are showing the time of my screenots on steam to show the time from the (involved car) chop to the first notification via PM's

Time stamp of PM's ID 44, 1622853818.

https://imgur.com/a/6XtLeI9

Here are the steam screenshots witht he times of thembeing taken apart

https://imgur.com/a/HQFUNhi

If there is anything furthur I can provide please let me know but I am infact limited because I was not told to save POV.

I would however like the owner of the vehicles POV for this incident as  player ID 127 is not the owner of this .Brian  ID224 said it was his/their car in PM's

Thank you.

Edited June 5, 2021 by Nixon88

[EM3RGENCY]

Brett_Macleod (ID23) 

What was your involvement?

I was a get away driver.

Is the Sultan your vehicle?

No, but I have keys for this vehicle. Please refer to the image below.

Did you purposely place it there so that Steven could picklock it?

No.

If you have any POV, especially of you arriving in the car, please post it.

I dont have any POV for this incident as I was never asked to save POV at all for this instance.

do you feel that this entire scenario was fair on the reporter?

Other than them having to pay the Mors insurance claim back on the vehicle, but that's life, life isn't fair. People should understand that they shouldn't leave their vehicle unattended for even a moment.

Was this realistic? 

YES, cars get robbed on unattended vehicles all the time. (( Players positioning when performing actions can be scuffed sometimes and what I see isn't what someone else sees))

[Joshc7531]

6 hours ago, freshprinceIE said:

Please provide your side to this.

For the majority of this scenario I had my headset off and was talking to my mam who was in my room. So was quite distracted so just stood there squaring up to Steven. Then I seen Brett was leaving (who I was chilling with) So I hopped in the car so I wasn't left at the Pier.

I did not save any form of POV as I didn't deem it necessary because all I done was stand beside a car that was being pick locked (like 6 others did.).

I also don't believe that PM'ing someone 30 mins after a scene to save POV is ''Attempting to inform the reported player(s) of the report to the best of your ability.'' as the guidelines would suggest . If he had immediately PM'ED him then I believe it would make the report fair. However, now its all based of one POV. I really don't understand how it would take one 30 mins to PM someone 'Save POV'. I believe he could have Pm'ed sooner, and should have.

 

6 hours ago, freshprinceIE said:

You were also a particpant in this scenario

I was busy with something IRL when this was happening. I didn't speak once during the picking only after when driving away.

In all honesty not quite sure how I have managed to come up in this report (considering I wasn't reported) nor did I speak throughout 90% of the scenario.But all I can say is I was chatting to someone in my room when this was happening, I don't have POV because I wasn't asked to save pov at all.

[Doan]

PLAYER REPORT DENIED

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Thank you for your patience while this report has been under review.

After reviewing this report and the evidence attached, we have decided to deny this report for the following reason(s):

 

• Insufficient evidence: The reason for ID 44's (Steven_Dawson) position may well have been due to desync and there is nothing to disprove this or prove this.
• When they mentioned taking the Sultan, it could have been for the purpose of using it as a getaway vehicle.

 

If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format.

This report is now locked and archived.

Regards,

Doan & freshprinceIE.