Sean_Moore [ID 245] & Symere_Blackwood [ID 238] DM & Cheating

[CyrusPir]

Player(s) being reported: ID 245 [DEATHMATCH] & ID 238 [POSSIBLE HACK]
Date of interaction reported: 01/06/2021.
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1622504083

Your character name: Cyrus Halstead

Other players involved: ID 126 & ID 351 

Specific rule(s) broken:

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper IC motive and interaction.
• Prior interaction should include escalation such as a robbery or a report to the police.
• Players may not kill victims who have complied with a plausible demand in reasonable time unless involved in severe hostile activity against them or an ally within 3 hours.
• Players on foot should only be attempted to be hit with a vehicle once with valid motive.
• Vehicles cannot be used as weapons in active shootouts unless where unavoidable.
• Players must be able to explain their reason and provide proof of prior reasoning if requested.
• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand.

4. Hacking and Exploits

• Players must not have mods, trainers, or any kind of software installed that gives any advantage.
• Server bugs may not be used for advantage and must be reported on ECLIPSE Roleplay forums.
• Server scripts must not be exploited in any way, e.g. circumventing AFK timer.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
Me, ID 126 and ID 351 were driving around the city when we bumped into ID 245, the driver of our car believed that ID 245 was the person who has shot him a few moments ago, so he thought we should shoot him, however he quickly realised he had the wrong person. We did not give him any demands to him. Later as seen in the video, we begin to drive out of the parking lot and one of the Irish gang (which is ID 245`s gang) fell of their bike, and yet we did not give demands to that person either. After driving away, ID 245 and ID 238 begin shooting at us even though no demands were given by them. This is why im reporting both of them for deathmatching, however i believe that id 238 was also possibly cheating because he landed one headshot on me from long range which is pretty difficult in a moving vehicle, especially when the shots were fired from BEHINDE the car and i was in the front passenger seat.  

Evidence of rule breach:

[Cyrus Halsteads POV]:

https://streamable.com/cdhrkz

[ID 126 POV]:

https://streamable.com/poatax

[SCREENSHOT OF 1X HEADSHOT INCLUDING UNIX TIME ]

https://prnt.sc/13nfy5g

[SCREENSHOT OF ID 238 ON THE BIKE BEFORE HE WENT TO THE PARKING LOT TO LAND 1 HEADSHOT ON ME]

https://prnt.sc/13ng096

[Philoop]

Pending review

[Philoop]

This report is against a member of staff. This will now be pending a Senior Admin+.

[CyrusPir]

I would like to add that the gun was pointed for less than a second, also there is no way you would have seen the gun pointed at you for half a second from your characters point of view due to you not being close to the vehicle, but if you did actually see, please show pov ?

 

Edited June 1, 2021 by Cyrus Halstead

[DaMasterSplinter]

Hello it's ID 126, the person that said shoot him, I would like to say first you could not have seen the gun pointed at you, you just checked it on his POV and saw it and using it, but at that time you would have not know. Saying "shoot him" does not give DM rights. You want to talk about the past hour chases, then each fight was concluded by PD and each situation too. When we were the ones getting out and pointing. We, each time, give demands and wait to give you enough time (to promote good RP). In the POV you can be seen getting out by yourself when everyone was leaving to shoot at us. No demands, not enough escalation on the current scene. You are saying your life was in danger, but we left you alone, why did you decide to come back and shoot at us, your life was no longer threatened and we were leaving already. 

 

*EDIT* Both players were informed to save pov, logs can be checked.

Edited June 1, 2021 by DaMasterSplinter

[Mo Stack]

Hi ID 351 here regarding the comments made by the reported party i will break down everything he said 

8 hours ago, VzComplex said:

Hi id like to point out that this isn't even close to the whole situation, Maybe show POV of the whole 1 - 2 hr chases / shootouts which then ended with this.

The 1 - 2 hr chase had nothing to do with this situation were talking about as it was just a chase and the only interaction we had with your gang was with the members who actually tried to fight us, and you were not part of that, you cant just have DM rights if you havent witnessed me or anyone in the car shoot at your members. Secondly throughout the 1 - 2 hr chase are you saying you had DM rights on us throughout that time because you acted like you did in that pov as you couldnt see a gun being pointed at you from where you were so clearly your just meta gaming the fact that you saw a gun pointed at you through our POV for less than half a second and it was lowered due to a misclick.

 

8 hours ago, VzComplex said:

you literally say "Shoot him Shoot him" Clearly showing a threat to my life ... and then the passenger points a gun at me. So i'm really not sure how this is DM.

Firstly You say we said 'shoot him' but no shots were fired if we had DM rights on you we would have rammed you off the bike and and shot you their, secondly we could have been talking about anything as you didnt hear the whole situation we could have been talking on freq or to another person but you took it out of context and assumed we were talking about you which you will say we were due to watching our POV not because you heard it in game IC'ly.

 

8 hours ago, VzComplex said:

After a threat against my life was made and guns pointed that's when i shot.

Your life was not in danger at all we didnt step out the car and we understand the rules of the server enough to know when we are granted DM rights and you would'nt have them at all.

I would also like to mention that we asked all there members to save POV in that interaction specifically ID 245 so he should have POV of what happend, what he heard and the result of the situation you can check logs, or ask Jelle about it as i told him about the situation.

Thanks. 

Edited June 1, 2021 by Mo Stack

[Sam Onizuka]

I would like to add, as the reporting parties faction leader, that this is a similar situation to a report I made before that got accepted and the reported party were issued warnings for DM. The same situation has come up again with the same reported faction, as well as it, this time involving a member of staff. 

 

[Aldarine]

Thank you for your patience as we reviewed the report. Prior to concluding this report, we would like to hear statements from the players as specified below. 

Sean_Moore | ID 245 @VzComplex - Please explain your point of view in regard to the reported situation. As always, any video or screenshot evidence from your perspective is much appreciated.

Symere_Blackwood | ID 238 @Symere - Please explain your point of view in regard to the reported situation. As always, any video or screenshot evidence from your perspective is much appreciated.

The above-mentioned players will receive 24 hours to provide their side of the story. We look forward to hearing back from you!

Best Regards,

Head Administrator @Dqniel & Administrator Aldarine

[Symere]

Hello Symere Blackwood here so to add a bit of context to the situation regarding the DM claim. 67 and my faction had been chasing/fighting each other about 1-2 hours before the POV starts. The chases had multiple failed ambushes and about 2-3 small fights that had happened before  any of the POV starts. The remaining Irish and 67 began another chase going into the city eventually leading into Red Parking my ally Sean makes a radio call stating that the 67 rebla close to him is threating him saying that they are about to shoot him. I get off my bike to get ready for any type of engagement. My ally Sean opens fire on the rebla, When the front passenger begins to shoot back this is when I begin to shoot at the rebla and end up killing one of them inside. Watching my POV you can clearly tell that I only open fire on the rebla after they shoot at my ally. Therefore I do not believe I broke any DM rules because I had DM rights on the car as they are actively trying to kill my ally. Comparing the UNIX ID of the shooting. 67 opens fire on my ally at 1622504098. I begin to shoot at 1622504100 after the reporting party shoots at my ally. 

Now to address the "cheating" claim I find it very annoying to constantly hear the false allegations spread by the reporting parties faction that claim that I am indeed cheating so I will be posting every gun fight I was involved with for that specific day hopefully these clips can prove that I'm not cheating. 

https://streamable.com/b7ejbz (reported shooting.) I shoot the passenger that is already below half HP in head I do not see how it would be hard for me to land 1 shot on any of the 4 people inside of the vehicle. The reporting party is claiming the use of aim bot but you can clearly tell that I am aiming in front of the rebla and letting them drive into my bullets that I am firing at them. 

https://streamable.com/p6fgls (shooting same rebla)

 

https://streamable.com/2adzfd (shootout that happened before the reporting shooting) 

 

Edited June 15, 2021 by Symere

[Mo Stack]

Hi ID 351 here regarding the comments made by the reported party i will break down everything he said.

11 hours ago, VzComplex said:

They then left so i wasn't going to do anything but when the came back i was in fear they was coming back to shoot me hence when i got of my bike and started shooting them.

So the reported party stated that because he was in fear for his life but if you watch our POV the first few seconds of Cyrus' clip you see ID 245 drive off a little bit and circles back around. So when were you fearful at what point because if you say we issued you demands, we didn't and you couldn't have seen a gun from where you were. (which was up for less than half a second due to a misclick)

 

11 hours ago, VzComplex said:

They had full knowledge that we was trying to ambush them as you can see from the reporting party's POV.

11 hours ago, VzComplex said:

I'm not really sure why he would circle back to Ambush after clearly acknowledging it.

Now, this is nonsense when we arrived at red parking and saw the rest of your cars that flew past that's when we knew that you were going to set up an ambush. Red parking wasn't it and what does this have to do with anything we figured it out as your cars flew by, no one was set up in red parking and that wasn't your ambush spot not sure how you can set up an ambush when all your gang is on the road trying to protect the guy that got ran over by his member.

 

11 hours ago, VzComplex said:

He inserted himself into a position where he knew his life was in danger

What situation was this all members were in cars trying to protect the guy that got ran over, you and Symere were the only people who were on foot, we did not insert ourselves into any situation, you started this whole interaction by shooting at us without any DM rights, chasing us and shooting our tires with no prior escalation.

 

11 hours ago, VzComplex said:

I believe i had more than enough IC motive to shoot the individual

You didn't witness us shoot nor did we give demands or step out of the car to threaten your life by acting on anything, you assumed we were talking to you, you didn't see a gun pointed at you and you didn't fear for your life as you came back around near our car if you believed we were talking about you (inside red parking in our POV) and nor did you show POV of any interactions that we had with you.

I would also like to mention that a similar report has recently concluded, with it being accepted. Only difference between the concluded report and this one is that the reported party in the concluded report made an effort to give demands, even though it was invalid, whilst the reported party in this one failed to do so.

Thanks

Edited June 2, 2021 by Mo Stack

[Aldarine]

Please refrain from unnecessary back and forth. If you are needed for inquiry you will be asked.

[Dqniel]

PLAYER REPORT DENIED

Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I have decided to deny this report for the following reason(s): Hello, and thank you for submitting this player report!  I would like to take this opportunity to thank both parties involved for remaining patient while this report has been carefully reviewed. With that being said, after extensively reviewing this player report as well as taking the statements of both parties into account, I have decided to conclude this report.  There is no breach of the deathmatch rules taking place during this situation. I do not believe the story provided by @VzComplex to be plausible, it can hardly be called an act of self defense when the reporting party was driving away and showing no hostile threat at the time of being shot, and had you truly  been in fear for your life you could have simply driven away considering you were situated on your bike at the time and had more than enough opportunities of distancing yourself.  With that being said however, this is not an isolated situation - as mentioned by @Symere and the reporting party in the player report there is several hours all of which are unaccounted for in this player report, previous hostility between both factions who also made their intentions incredibly clear in this situation e.g engage in a fight - considering the context, previous altercations and clear intentions of the players involved where the sole intentions were to engage in a fight, we deem that in the context of this situation that the shooting was acceptable.  That is not to say that the reasoning for shooting after the fact is flawed, I have stated and will reiterate again that this cannot be classified as an act of self defense when there is no active threat and the means of escaping had fear been a factor was very much evident in this situation, however given the previous context and unaccounted for situations, we do not believe this to be deathmatch given the background leading up to this.  There is also no breach of the Hacking and Exploits rule taking place during this situation. There is not only insufficient evidence, but basing a serious accusation of cheating on a single headshot that you received due to it “being extremely difficult” without taking in any other factors into consideration is completely unacceptable and if you intend on making future reports pertaining to cheating the provided evidence should not only be reasonable, but also convincing beyond receiving a single shot which you subjectively perceived as difficult. In the future, please reserve reports (especially ones pertaining to cheating) for serious situations that warrant it.  This decision is final. Unless instructed to, if you post another player report pertaining to this incident, you may be muted from posting on the forums for a temporary period. If you disagree with the outcome of this report, please file an appeal following the appeal guidelines and format. Regards, Head Administrator Dqniel & Administrator Aldarine.