Symere Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 Player(s) being reported: ID 273 19 Date of interaction reported: 05/28/2021. Unix time stamp from HUD: 1622229383 Your character name: Symere Blackwood Specific rule(s) broken: 14. Deathmatch (DM) Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper IC motive and interaction. Prior interaction should include escalation such as a robbery or a report to the police. Players may not kill victims who have complied with a plausible demand in reasonable time unless involved in severe hostile activity against them or an ally within 3 hours. Players on foot should only be attempted to be hit with a vehicle once with valid motive. Vehicles cannot be used as weapons in active shootouts unless where unavoidable. Players must be able to explain their reason and provide proof of prior reasoning if requested. If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand. How did the player break the rule(s)? (300 words maximum) We were chasing a Issi that was spotted leaving the scene of a shootout after around 20 seconds of chasing, The issi stops both players inside of the issi open fire injuring me. They attempted to give demands not only where these demands to a moving vehicle making them invalid the players did not give us any time to comply at all. I am already dead before the demands have been given. Evidence of rule breach: https://streamable.com/n2u73c 8 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 Pending review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenbae Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) PENDING RESPONSE ――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――― Thank you for submitting this report. Please be patient as we review the evidence. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story: @Symere - Are you able to provide any footage of the events leading up to this situation? Kevin_Pitts (175) & Ryan_Petford (19) - Can you please give your side of this story and provide any evidence you may have of it? Do you think that the demands were valid? Do you think they gave the reporting party enough time to comply with the demands? If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. Regards, Senior Support Tenbe Moderator DrPathetic Edited May 28, 2021 by Tenbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symere Posted May 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 Here is some extended footage from me and the Driver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uZmCOhILQc (drivers pov) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAHEfw8Bf_Q (my pov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalChain67 Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) Kevin_Pitts (175) & Ryan_Petford (19) - Can you please give your side of this story and provide any evidence you may have of it? Do you think that the demands were valid? Do you think they gave the reporting party enough time to comply with the demands? Kevin Pitts here, thank you to the staff for handling this report. I would like to clarify out here that the intents displayed by the reporting party were very clear from our perspective, myself and Ryan Petford drove up to Lumberjack to check out the shootout that was being called over the radio, we looked from afar and deemed that the fight was unwinnable so we did not participate in it. We tried to drive away but whilst doing so, we got shot at by ID 14 for no reason at all. We had not engaged with anyone prior, there was no reason for him to shoot at us. At the scene, you can see that the Rapid GT is INVOLVED in the shootout that ended up with a lot of dead allies from our gang. Just after the fight, we saw the Rapid GT driving towards the hospital. We shook him off and went our own way, we saw the Rapid GT driving towards Bayview side from Paleto Parking, we went to the paleto parking just after, and when we exited Paleto Parking as can be seen in the POV, the Rapid GT can be seen circling back towards us and then chasing us right after. When we got on the highway, we tried to double check their intentions, we slowed down and saw that the Rapid GT had also slowed down behind us. They were provided a clear way for them to drive off, but they decided to continue tailing us. Now at this situation, we were aware that the Rapid was involved in the shootout, as we had spotted them there. We saw the numbers Irish had there, so it was pointless for us to let him chase us and wait for mad amount of numbers, so we decided to take the fight right there. You can hear me telling those two individuals to step out the vehicle, they failed to comply with the demands. The situation at lumber can be referred to from my other complaint on one of their allies, and their car can be seen in this clip which was included in a different report other than this: https://streamable.com/9gppdj To strike out the points for DM: - We had IC motive and interaction. - There was escalation when we saw our allies get downed at around Lumber and the car was spotted there, we got shot aswell by their ally. - They were completely stalled right behind us, not driving or anything. As soon as we got out, they started driving away when we delivered demands, they failed to comply with the demands so we opened fire at them. - My VoIP was working perfectly fine because I can be heard shouting at them out of the car out of the car on their POV. Edited May 28, 2021 by CoastalChain67 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symere Posted May 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, CoastalChain67 said: My VoIP was working perfectly fine because I can be heard shouting at them out of the car out of the car on their POV. I was dead before you even got done saying your sentence. How do you expect me to comply with you're demands if you just shoot me as your saying them? 20 minutes ago, CoastalChain67 said: - There was escalation when we saw our allies get downed at around Lumber and the car was spotted there, we got shot aswell by their ally. You spotting the vehicle at the scene does not give you DM rights on us. You would have to see me or the passenger actively participating in the shootout simply seeing the vehicle does not give you DM rights. Also someone from my faction shooting at you does not grant DM rights on everyone in said faction. The fact is you saw us at the shootout you did not see me or my ally shooting at all my ally never even stepped out of his car to my knowledge. He picked me up after the shootout had been ended so therefore you do not have DM rights on us. Secondly your "demands" where Invalid in everyway possible, You gave demands to a moving vehicle and you shot at us. Your excuse for shooting us was "They started driving away when we delivered demands, they failed to comply with the demands so we opened fire at them." this is not true the vehicle was already driving away as you gave demands. We were being shot not even a full second after you gave us demands, personally I was killed as you said "car" you did not even finish your sentence before killing me. 3 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan12193 Posted May 28, 2021 Report Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) Quote Kevin_Pitts (175) & Ryan_Petford (19) - Can you please give your side of this story and provide any evidence you may have of it? Do you think that the demands were valid? Do you think they gave the reporting party enough time to comply with the demands? Firstly, I thank the admins handling this report. Both Factions, Goblins and Irish, had been in a shootout, just below lumber moments before. We decided to leave as we were heavily outnumbered, seconds later we saw a Rapid GT which had been at the shootout. We hesitated at first as we believed it wasn't worth it which can be heard in the POV provided said by myself. "is it worth it, probably not". However, the Rapid GT decided to follow us down the highway, I pulled over to see if they really were following us instead of exiting the scene and they decided to pull over too. I jumped out and sprayed them with a micro after just seeing many allies killed by the opposing faction. Upon spraying the vehicle, I managed to injure the passenger forcing them to leave. I believe both victims were involved with severe hostile activity within the 3 hour period as well as enough prior interactions and escalations to be able to spray the vehicle. Quote Players may not kill victims who have complied with a plausible demand in reasonable time unless involved in severe hostile activity against them or an ally within 3 hours. Once again, I thank the admins handling this report. I also don't have POV of anything for the entire day as Nvidia decided to stop working. Edited May 28, 2021 by Ryan12193 POV Reasoning. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenbae Posted May 31, 2021 Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 @CoastalChain67 & @Ryan12193 - What "severe hostile activity" do you believe specifically the 2 reporting parties had taken against you? And please provide evidence if possible. Or were your actions based entirely on actions of their allies and that they drove by the earlier shootout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalChain67 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Tenbe said: @CoastalChain67 & @Ryan12193 - What "severe hostile activity" do you believe specifically the 2 reporting parties had taken against you? And please provide evidence if possible. Or were your actions based entirely on actions of their allies and that they drove by the earlier shootout? Goblins and Irish were engaged in a heavy shootout down by Lumber just minutes prior to this happening, we managed to make it out of there alive - we SAW the reporting party leave the situation and saw them during the situation aswell, they were chasing us with the intent to kill us and finish what they started, only we did it before them so they would not have mad numbers tailing us with the only objective to kill us. We had DM rights in that situation, I do not see why that fact is being argued, our gang and their gang were engaged in a heavy combat, and they were following us - we gave them a window to drive past us, they did not take it. We pulled over just to see if they would, and they did, the fact suggesting malice to us - we got out of our car and shouted at them to get out of the car. As soon as we got out and tried to shout demands, they drove away but 100% they followed us with the intent to kill us, so that could be classed as ruleplaying. He would've kept following us and keeping his distance so he would not hear the demands, so we had to do what we did. Thank you to the staff handling the report, have a great day! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan12193 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Quote @CoastalChain67 & @Ryan12193 - What "severe hostile activity" do you believe specifically the 2 reporting parties had taken against you? And please provide evidence if possible. Or were your actions based entirely on actions of their allies and that they drove by the earlier shootout? I feel Kevin summed this up pretty well, There was a shootout prior between the 2 factions. They were following us with one intention, to finish what had started already. Within moments of us realising they were following us we decided to step out to prevent even more Irish from coming and simply causing us to be outnumbered. This can all be proven with the drivers POV ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uZmCOhILQc ) Thank you the the staff handling this report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 REPORT ACCEPTED ――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――― After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, we've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following player(s): Kevin_Pitts & Ryan_Petford - Punishment for Deathmatching - The reporting party was seen passing by an active shootout, but there is no way of proving that these exact players were in that exact car. In evidence provided, they are not "seen" actively participating in the shootout. If Irish attacked the Goblins, that does not mean that Goblins have DM right on every person in Irish. To have DM rights, you need do determine what player was hostile and you need to have a proper interaction and escalation between the two players. These 2 specific players did not show any severe hostile actions which would justify shooting on sight, hence this punishment. Also, the demands given were invalid because they were said as the trigger was pulled and there was no time to react or comply to them. If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. Regards, Moderator Pathetic & Sr. Support Tenbe 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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