Tyrone_Clinton [ID 179] - DM

[ize]

Player(s) being reported: ID 179
Date of interaction reported: 22/05/2021
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1621703075

Your character name: Isaac Collins
Other player(s) involved: 

Specific rule(s) broken:

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper IC motive and interaction.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
Goblins had previously killed a few members of Irish, leading us to chase a few of them to the ATM on the beach in Vespucci where they were set up on top of the houses. ID 179 is seen shooting at my vehicle from the rooftop in my POV 1 as I am fleeing. I have no issue with this as the scene was active and I am clearly an enemy. PD arrived and anyone who could left.

A few minutes later, I find 8-9 Goblins in-between the East and Middle hunting grounds, and I begin calling for members of my faction to come to Hungry Hunter. While I am doing so, ID 179 gets out of his vehicle far ahead of me and KOS's me, just starts lighting my vehicle up. This resulted in my back wheels both popping, forcing me to get out on foot and ultimately resulting in my death. I would have no issue with this if he had made ANY attempt to re-engage whatsoever but he simply got out and started shooting me.

Evidence of rule breach:
POV 1: https://streamable.com/x6sdg7

POV 2: https://streamable.com/8mvrz6

[YuSoHelpful]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• Tyrone_Clinton (ID 179) - Please explain your side regarding this interaction and upload any footage/evidence you may have.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,

Administrator YuSoHelpful

[Barny]

Hey, Tyrone Clinton here. Thank you for taking care of this report @YuSoHelpful!

I don't have any evidence, as I wasn't recording at the time. If needed I will ask my faction members to provide their POV's if they still have them. The reporting party explainded the reasoning for the first shootout, which I thank him for.

First clip ''goblin DM 1'' - There was a shootout as already mentioned by the reporting party. He kept circling back and forth with his car and I didn't shoot at them even thought I could of started shooting way earlier than I did. I only shot after he told his driver to shoot at me and I heard it in game at the time as his voice was set on ''Shouting''(can be seen in his clip).

Second clip ''goblin DM 2'' - Everyone fled from Vespucci area as cops pulled up. Shortly after (maybe 5-10mins, I am not sure) my allies found some Irish at the road between hunting grounds and re-engaged on them. The reporting party arrives at the scene and starts calling it on the radio, inserting himself in danger even thought he knew everyone was extremely hostile as all of us came from the shootout with the reporting party's group. He was even shot at from the first shootout by me as seen in clip 1.

I was in the Elegy Retro and heard it myself as his voice was still set on ''Shouting''. He knew there's many of us but didn't straight up flee, instead he decided to radio for more people in order to start second shootout at HungryHunter store. His intensions were clear to us as he was shouting and cars next to him could hear him. He stopped at the store, even thought he knows that 8+ people are after him. He didn't fear for his life nor did value it, so I hopped out of my car and proceed to shoot at him and his tires. When his tires were taken out he had the chance to step out of the vehicle and surrender by putting his hands up, but he didn't and got killed by my allies.

I believe that I didn't break the DM rule as we just had a shootout at Vespucci, the reporting party indirectly tried to get me killed so I had DM rights on them and he re-inserted himself in danger again by calling us on their radio, organizing an attack at HungryHunter and stopping in front of it like there's not 10 of us there. I believe there was enough RP and escalation that led to this and the reporting party made an IC mistake and got punished for it. I don't believe the rules should protect anyone who came from 1 massive shootout and instigates a second one.

Thank you for reading, have a nice day!

[YuSoHelpful]

@Barny 
 

On 5/24/2021 at 1:59 PM, Barny said:

I don't have any evidence, as I wasn't recording at the time. If needed I will ask my faction members to provide their POV's if they still have them. 

If they have any, please ask them to share. This to support the following statement made by you:

 

On 5/24/2021 at 1:59 PM, Barny said:

Second clip ''goblin DM 2'' - Everyone fled from Vespucci area as cops pulled up. Shortly after (maybe 5-10mins, I am not sure) my allies found some Irish at the road between hunting grounds and re-engaged on them. The reporting party arrives at the scene and starts calling it on the radio, inserting himself in danger even thought he knew everyone was extremely hostile as all of us came from the shootout with the reporting party's group. He was even shot at from the first shootout by me as seen in clip 1.

You state you re-engaged on some Irish members. Are these Irish members that cannot be seen in the evidence or are you talking about the reporting party? Please be more specific and explain how you re-engaged.

@ize

As stated above by Tyrone_Clinton, they said they re-engaged on some other Irish members in that area. Were you the only Irish member in that area (read car) that they could possibly re-engage on or did you have allies further down or up the road? If so, please provide extensive footage.

 

Regards,

Administrator YuSoHelpful

[ize]

33 minutes ago, YuSoHelpful said:

As stated above by Tyrone_Clinton, they said they re-engaged on some other Irish members in that area. Were you the only Irish member in that area (read car) that they could possibly re-engage on or did you have allies further down or up the road? If so, please provide extensive footage.

I no longer have further footage as I have since cleared my hard-drive of 400 GB's of ShadowPlays. (It began interfering with my PC performance). The already provided footage is the only interaction I had with the reported party since my POV 1, and I didn't even realize it was the same person who shot me from the roof when the events unfolded ICLY. (Realized once I reviewed footage and reported). As far as I can re-call there was 1-2 other Irish members nearby (one must have driven towards Hungry Hunter and the other North towards RT68), with the rest still coming from various parts of the city. After I was killed there was the wave of other Irish that were enroute to Hungry Hunter that cleaned up the situation which can be seen briefly here: 

 

On 5/24/2021 at 12:59 PM, Barny said:

He stopped at the store, even thought he knows that 8+ people are after him. He didn't fear for his life nor did value it, so I hopped out of my car and proceed to shoot at him and his tires.

I just want to point out that I was going 170+ all the way to Hungry Hunter, and slowed down to U-Turn while waiting for others to arrive before I was shot. I don't see how I didn't fear for my life, I was actively calling for help and speeding away from the hostile parties.

On 5/24/2021 at 12:59 PM, Barny said:

I don't have any evidence, as I wasn't recording at the time. If needed I will ask my faction members to provide their POV's if they still have them.

I did inform you to save POV and was met with an accusation of rule-playing and told to ''go report if you want''. https://imgur.com/a/xWI5yN0

I unfortunately do not have anything else to add, thank you for your time handling this report!

Edited May 28, 2021 by ize
adding screenshot

[Barny]

Hello again.

You state you re-engaged on some Irish members. Are these Irish members that cannot be seen in the evidence or are you talking about the reporting party? Please be more specific and explain how you re-engaged.

It was called on our radio that there were some Irish members on the road between hunting grounds and my allies re-engaged on them. That's why I was there in first place. I believe my allies re-engaged on 1 irish member and held him on his knees under gunpoint or something similar.(I was still on my way to the location while it was happening). Then the reporting party pulls up and starts calling on the radio.

I've asked on Goblins discord if anyone has POV of the situation before HuntryHunter shootout. I will post again if I get any POV's sent to me.

[YuSoHelpful]

@Barny  I think enough time is given to ask for footage. If no footage is posted within 8 hours, I will work with the evidence that we currently have.

[Barny]

@YuSoHelpful Hey, I got this POV - https://streamable.com/laztwz

Hope it helps concluding the report. Have a nice day.

[YuSoHelpful]

REPORT ACCEPTED
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After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, we've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following player(s):

• Tyrone_Clinton (ID 179) - Deathmatching - As can be seen in the footage you opened fire upon the reporting party's vehicle WITHOUT any form of re-engagement. In the last clip you provided, it can be seen how the other person was given demands and he was re-engaged upon. I see nothing of the same in the video of the reporting party, the one you're being reported for.
  
  The reporting party drives around and makes calls on his radio, calls which do not warrant DM rights. You then decide to hop out of the vehicle and "light them up". No re-engagement took place, no demands were given and they did not present a direct threat to your life. 

If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. 

Regards,

Administrator YuSoHelpful