(NonRP, Advantage of Disconnect) Jamal_Onizuka, Jonny_Lau, 127, Buk_Rivera, Bob_Karlsson, Floyd_Tucker, Sam_Onizuka, Mo_Smokes, James_Cavelli, Darius_David, Omar_Oos, Dushane_Brown, Carter_Warner, Ellie_Jaxx, Kyle_Vincent

[CapoSlash]

Player(s) being reported: 173, 155, 127, 149, 281, 339, 166, 207, 287
Date of interaction reported: 5-23-2021
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1621810795

Your character name: Kevin Slash
Other player(s) involved: Darragh Curtin, 67

Specific rule(s) broken:

9. Non-Roleplay (NRP)

• Actions that are unrealistic or promote poor quality roleplay are considered as non-roleplay.
• Players are required to remain IC at all times. RP can only be paused or voided by admins.
• If a crash / disconnect occurs, players must post in the crash reports discord channel and contact all parties to resume. Players reconnecting must be given all opportunities held prior.
• Players should not instigate situations they do not have time to play through. If a player is chased they must wait 15 minutes before they can log out of the game.
• Players can’t depict their character with real images or game images not possible on ECRP.
• Examples: Ignoring RP, baiting government services without proper IC reason, asking to be killed or forcing your own death, unrealistic stunt jumping, misusing expensive vehicles, using script work vehicles for other purpose, submerging any vehicle in water intentionally, swimming for an unrealistic amount of time in a chase, or stealing from / tampering with an OOC F4 menu.
• Non-off road vehicles may not drive up mountains or steep hills. LSEMS & Mechanics are exempt.

How did the player break the rule(s)?  (300 words maximum)
67 were at humane labs set up & irish were about to fight them, but we decided to leave & while we were leaving my passenger Curtins c0'ed, so I waited on the side of the road for him & informed a 67 member that I had a c0 passenger. Whenever they all arrived, I informed them that I had a c0 passenger, then as soon as Curtins returned they decided to pull on us while I was informing them I had a c0. I rarely report, but in my opinion I lost a couple of items which were a shotgun, .50, & a 10k-13k mors vehicle which was my retinue.

Evidence of rule breach:
Curtins c0'ing: https://prnt.sc/13bpu4r

A 67 member acknowledging a c0 when I told him: https://prnt.sc/13bpwbl

My POV: https://streamable.com/8aul5a

Curtins POV: https://streamable.com/gvbubu

Edited May 24, 2021 by CapoSlash

[Xoza]

Greetings,

This will be reviewed by myself and other staff members.

Thanks.

[Xoza]

Can you please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have. In addition can you please explain the reason behind robbing the reporting party? Were you aware of one of them code 0ing?  

• 173 | Jamal_Onizuka
• 115 | Jonny_Lau
• 149 | Buk_Rivera
• 281 | Bob_Karlsson
• 339 | Floyd_Tucker
• 166 | Sam_Onizuka    
• 207 | Mo_Smokes
• 287 | James_Cavelli    
• 288 | Darius_David
• 260 | Omar_Oos

These individuals will be notified in-game, however if you are aware of these individuals and their involvement, please assist us in notifying them for their statements.

[Sam Onizuka]

First want to start off by thanking Xoza and the other staff members who are taking the time to look into this report. 

9 hours ago, Xoza said:

Can you please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have. In addition can you please explain the reason behind robbing the reporting party?

POVs below:

Pt 1: https://streamable.com/d323zg

Pt 2: https://streamable.com/awjfu6 

Pt 3: https://streamable.com/ogcf22

The POV's above show 7 mins prior to the robbery RP. It shows myself and 67 setup at the humane lab drop location, and on hills, as 2 67 were being chased by the reporting party and other Irish. The start of PT 2 it can be seen Irish blocking the entrance of Humane labs in order to either prevent the 67 being chased from entering or to prevent the 67 from leaving it. 

Prior to the robbery there was hostile interactions between various individuals from both factions. Some admitting to have 'clapped and kidnapped' my members as well as being given demands. One instances of Irish giving demands can be heard in the POV here.  https://streamable.com/tlkbz5. Additionally, it was acknowledged that most of Irish had heavies too. All of these points made is enough to justify why the reported party were given demands in the first place.  

9 hours ago, Xoza said:

Were you aware of one of them code 0ing?  

Focusing on the matter of the C0 issue. I would like to start of by answering the question directly and saying the reported party were not aware of the c0 until guns were pointed at the reporting party and the 2 67 conducted to the robbery. In the initial report, the reporting party mentions that they informed a 67 member of the c0 however that 67 member was not present at the robbery RP. When myself and majority of the reported party arrived to conduct the robbery the supposed c0 was already back. 

 

12 hours ago, CapoSlash said:

If a crash / disconnect occurs, players must post in the crash reports discord channel and contact all parties to resume. Players reconnecting must be given all opportunities held prior.

This is the rule that is highlighted here, I want to say that they reporting party did make enough effort to make it known by not even doing the bare minimum which is required in the rule above and post in the crash reports discord channel, which I checked myself after the robbery was done (due to us not being able to pause RP) and we were making our way to chop the vehicle. If a crash report was made reporting parties things would have been returned to them, but none was made. 

 

I want to specify this too that 2 members conducted the actual robbery and others were there to provide support and back up as we acknowledged the fact that Irish were around the area, which can be heard in the initial POV's above. It was overall an RP situation that was in the heat of the moment and needed to be conducted quickly, due to not wanting all Irish to come and a fight to break out there. This is why it was annoying when the reported party kept going to /b repeatedly instead of mentioning it once and continuing the RP like Darragh Curtin's did. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by Sam Onizuka

[jamescavelli]

James Cavelli here, Firstly I would like to say thanks to Xoza and the another staff taking theit time to look into this report.

Me and my gang members were setup at Humane Labs cause 2 of my aillies were getting chased by irish. We decided that we would leave Humane Labs on our way out we say 2 aillies getting out on a white car that had 2 irish at it . As Sam said it was said on radio that alot of irish have heavy guns. I personally was not involved in the robbery I was just there as backup if something went down cause there was some irish in the area. 

Thanks have a good day. 

[Xplod1ngPumpk1n]

Jamal Onizuka here ID:173, first off I would like to thank Xoza and all other admins looking into this report.

11 hours ago, Xoza said:

Can you please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have. In addition can you please explain the reason behind robbing the reporting party?

 

The reporting party POV pretty much speaks for me as I was not involved in the robbery I was there in case anymore Irish pulled up. The reason behind the robbery was many hostile interactions between the two factions. Trash talking, members of my gang getting demands given to them, also Irish admitting to kidnaping and clapping members of my gang. 

11 hours ago, Xoza said:

Were you aware of one of them code 0ing?

As Sam said I had no idea there was a code zero until the robbery was already taking place. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by Xplod1ngPumpk1n

[khlifa]

Hello, ID 339 here, and thanks for taking this report @Xoza .

The main reason behind robbing the reporting party is that he attempted to give me and ID 115 demands near pauls farm on the highway which I sadly don't have POV of that situation, aswell as chasing me. About the C0 situation, we just got out of humane lab, found ID 4 and ID 127 present on my arrival to the place where the robbery was conducted(can be seen in this POV that they player came back when i arrived), nothing to prove that he c0, neither he informed on ECRP crash reports as it can be seen in the screenshot by sam onizuka above.

10 hours ago, Xoza said:

Were you aware of one of them code 0ing?

No i did not know that any of them C0 until he said it on ooc chat when the robbery is taking place already.

Thanks, have a wonderful day.

[bob karlsson]

Hello to answer your questions Xoza 
ID 281 | Bob_Karlsson here 

Can you please explain your side of the story and share any evidence you might have.  
In addition, can you please explain the reason behind robbing the reporting party?  

So, it started with a fellow member being chased and them telling on radio that Irish is taking out heavies on them as you can hear in this video.  
https://streamable.com/ahhx76

So, me and my gang members were setting up at Humane Labs. When my fellow members were heading in too humane labs the  
entrance got blocked off with two contenders preventing them to enter Humane Labs.  
Aswell when they blocked it of the people getting chased got given demands as you can hear in this Pov.  
https://streamable.com/tlkbz5

Were you aware of one of them code 0ing?  

I was not aware that one of them had code 0 until the robbery was already active. When the reporting party informed us in /b i immediately looked in the  
Crash-reports channel in the Eclipse discord and I could not see any crash report from the reporting party. https://gyazo.com/a2471998aa3f01fbca99c08837269c2f
Aswell when the robbery was taken place the code 0 was already back. 

Also, I want to thank the staff that are taking this report and the reporting party as well. 

[Buk Lee]

Hello ID 149 Buk Rivera here.

I think Sam Onizuka covered the build up to the situation pretty well, 2 of our members were being the chased by Irish so we setup an ambush at humane labs, as were setup inside humane it was called out that one of the biftas chasing them that had tried to give them demands was outside close by in the area so a call was made to pull up on the bifta, as we were heading out we saw the reporting party by the side of the road so we drove up to them, I never jumped out of my car and/or tried to rob them  as I was only there for backup incase more Irish pulled up.

Here's my POV 

 

[jonny-Lau]

Hello, thanks for taking this report @Xoza
As ID 339 said, the main reason that i robbed the reporting party for it is that he got out and tried to give me demands with a shotgun (ID 4 and and his passenger )on the highway near pauls farm (i don't have pov of it). I also want to mention that the player didn't inform in crash reports on ecrp discord server neither i knew that there was a c0 there as when i came the location where the robbery was conducted , I saw both of them there and i couldn't tell that one of them c0 , you can see that in my POV below.
only knew that there was a c0  after the robbery started already .

Pov: 

Peace.

[Mohamed Amine Jhidri]

Hello ID 288 | Darius_David  : Homies Said everything already have nothing to Add , i just was Scouting around the place Didnt even get out of my car .

Edited May 24, 2021 by Mohamed Amine Jhidri

[Xoza]

UNDER REVIEW

Thank you for your replies, Our main focus is the knowledge of and communication about the code 0 return. Due to the OOC disconnect it's very unlikely the players would have risked staying in that area.

The rule reads currently as: If a crash / disconnect occurs, players must post in the crash reports discord channel and contact all parties to resume. Players reconnecting must be given all opportunities held prior. However, while this rule does require posting in a discord channel, it does not mean it could still be respected as the first players spotted the player return.

Please be patient while we review this in full.

Thanks.

[Mo Stack]

Hi ID 207 here everything has already been said they disconnected failed to put a crash report, only admins can pause RP so it would have been pretty NRP for us to stop RP there we had no idea if he had coded or not so we just had to continue RP my POV is pretty much the same as Sam onizuka as im in the passenger seat. 

If anything else is needed im happy to provide 

[Xoza]

AWAITING RESPONSES

Greetings,

155 | Jonny_Lau @jonny-Lau - You were the first to approach. Could you explain specifically why, after seeing the individual spawn, you decided to continue to initiate the robbery, especially after they clearly stated the Code 0 to reaffirm what was seen?

After further review of the information provided, we'd like to understand more of... why a robbery / situation was occurring at Humane Labs. If anyone could provide further insight.

Thanks.

[KlassiKodakBop]

Hi Carter Warner here, I was not involved in this in any way.. I have never been to that RP Situation. 

[Kyle_Vincent]

hello, Kyle Vincent here,

After reviewing the POVs posted here I have no idea of this RP situation and was not involved in anyway. I would assume my name was posted here by accident. I kindly ask @Xoza to remove my name from the post. Thank you

[jonny-Lau]

11 hours ago, Xoza said:

AWAITING RESPONSES

Greetings,

155 | Jonny_Lau @jonny-Lau - You were the first to approach. Could you explain specifically why, after seeing the individual spawn, you decided to continue to initiate the robbery, especially after they clearly stated the Code 0 to reaffirm what was seen?

After further review of the information provided, we'd like to understand more of... why a robbery / situation was occurring at Humane Labs. If anyone could provide further insight.

Thanks.

Greeting again, hope y'all are healthy and in the mood.
As you can see in my pov, I only noticed the two guys were there and one of them was using voip even, he was singing or I dunno, so I never knew it was a c0 and the robbery already started after he said it was a c0. I think we can't pause the RP either.
I also would like to mention that the reporting party was able to send me footage of c0 that he provided above so we can sort it out, cause at that time i was not sure about as i said before the player didn't notify on crash reports.

Edited May 26, 2021 by jonny-Lau

[Xoza]

PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED
Thank you for your patience while this report was under review.

After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and void the roleplay encounter: If you are able, with the assistance of a moderator+, please return any items you have acquired from the reporting party or the reporting party may file a refund request.

• Jonny_Lau [155] @jonny-Lau - NonRP Note | Failing to take into account an OOC situation (player disconnect) and continuing RP denying the players their previous opportunities.
  • Jonny, As you were the first to encounter the individuals and initially engage, it is your responsibility first, then others to relay any information about the situation. I feel like you were so focused and blinded by your engagement and acquisition of resources you didn't equally consider the other parties experience and OOC situation.
• All Involved - As per our rules "Players reconnecting must be given all opportunities held prior." The Discord channel is a tool available to help support our members and is heavily recommend, but it doesn't change the fact that they did disconnect and they should gain time to take action. Logically, sitting there, waiting for a friend to return, where they clearly know they could be in danger is not something they would have done without an OOC reason and should have been considered when approached. There are many ways to accommodate for disconnects, including, giving them a head start, or leaving them there as if they don't exist.

If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. 

Regards,
@IAmTurtle & @Xoza