Kevin_Slash [201] - (14. DM/VDM)

[Massa T]

Player(s) being reported: Player ID 201
Date of interaction reported: 21/05/2021
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1621667151

Your characters name: Tony_Solicetto
Other player(s) involved: Irish, Kudo

Specific rule(s) broken: 

 

14. Deathmatch (DM)

• Vehicles cannot be used as weapons in active shootouts unless where unavoidable.
• Players must be able to explain their reason and provide proof of prior reasoning if requested.
• If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand.

How did the player break the rule(s)? 
I was being heavily chased by Irish, brought them to where Kudo was and before the contact was even made between me and the car, you can clearly see in the video that I was rammed to death before any action happened. He mentioned to me that he knew my intentions, so it was okay to do so.. I have the POV, from the beginning to end.

Evidence of rule breach: 
PM for video please, I have three. 

Edited May 22, 2021 by Tony Solicetto

[Timmaayy]

Pending review from myself and @Yputi

[Yputi]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s): 

• [@Tony Solicetto] - Tony_Solicetto - Please post your evidence here so it can be reviewed.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Timmaayy & Yputi

[Massa T]

 

[Yputi]

PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

• [@CapoSlash] - Kevin_Slash (201) - Please explain your side of the story. Present any evidence you may have.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Timmaayy & Yputi

[CapoSlash]

We were chasing the player around the city for about 5-10 minutes & he was attempting to stall so that his gang members could set up an ambush, once we got to you-tool I already knew it was an ambush since they have set up here before multiple times & was also called out on the radio, once he got out he attempted to give me demands & at the same moment I ran him over as soon as he gave me demands which can be heard on my POV, even on his POV he attempted to pull out his .50 so his hostility was obvious in my opinion especially when there's an ambush set up at on the roofs. After that incident happened, we had a shootout behind the building which confirmed they had an ambush there ready. I'd also like to add that I believe it's NRP to bait himself into granting his allies to gain DM rights.

Here's a POV from another irish member which shows the elegy fully on ramming the bifta causing him to stall & then the elegy hopping out to rob him, which is what caused the chase & his intentions were quite clear. (https://streamable.com/fatexv)

My POV (https://streamable.com/43eusc)

 

EDIT: I'd also like to add, around 0:08 on his clip you can hear someone saying "say hands up or die hands up or die" in the background and nobody was speaking on his radio at that time which you can see on the middle right side nobody was speaking, which makes me believes the player was possibly metagaming in a discord voice chat with another player.

Edited May 23, 2021 by CapoSlash

[Massa T]

3 hours ago, CapoSlash said:

 

EDIT: I'd also like to add, around 0:08 on his clip you can hear someone saying "say hands up or die hands up or die" in the background and nobody was speaking on his radio at that time which you can see on the middle right side nobody was speaking, which makes me believes the player was possibly metagaming in a discord voice chat with another player.

- I had someone watching over me streaming, that was mentioned to admins in PM. User was not in the server seeing he isn't even in it. Also I have footage that I did not touch that bifta before hand.

- You also see that there are guns aimed at the person in the bifta, yet he changed his frequency while having guns on him. Kind of breaks FRP? But anyway I won't be responding further till admins handle it.

- You also do hear yourself saying "He's getting out, I'm ramming this nigga". 

Edited May 23, 2021 by Tony Solicetto

[Massa T]

[QUOTED] Here's a POV from another irish member which shows the elegy fully on ramming the bifta causing him to stall & then the elegy hopping out to rob him, which is what caused the chase & his intentions were quite clear. (https://streamable.com/fatexv)

Edited May 23, 2021 by Tony Solicetto

[CapoSlash]

18 minutes ago, Tony Solicetto said:

[QUOTED] Here's a POV from another irish member which shows the elegy fully on ramming the bifta causing him to stall & then the elegy hopping out to rob him, which is what caused the chase & his intentions were quite clear. (https://streamable.com/fatexv)

In your own POV you can be seen purposely hitting the breaks and turning a bit to the right to desync ram him, which is also considered NRP since you decided to rob him after desync ramming him.

 

Similar situation happened on this report (https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/topic/64340-vince_draco-id-237-vdm/?tab=comments#comment-304697) which caused Vince to get a NRP due to him taking advantage of a desync situation, which is what you exactly did in your own POV.

Won't reply anymore to avoid spamming the thread unless asked to reply by an admin.

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by CapoSlash

[Massa T]

I did not purposely ram him.. I was trying to get him to slow down yes, seeing he stole my boys vehicle. You don't realize the fact that he came and taunted us about the vehicle. That causes anger, of course I will at any costs try to pull over a vehicle - not purposely smashing him into a pole though.

[Timmaayy]

@CapoSlash - Why do you feel that you had deathmatching rights on this individual? You appear to always had intentions in running him over if he stood out of the car.

[CapoSlash]

Hey @Timmaayy

We had been chasing the elegy for around 10 minutes and Kudo repeatedly use the same location to ambush, in this case it was U-Tool. (Which I have witnessed multiple times). The elegy had rammed and robbed one of our members and we knew it was the same vehicle and driver. He then pulls in to a known ambush location specific to Kudo-Kai and gets out on foot on his own, when I have a passenger in my car. I don't think his intentions could be clearer beyond me letting him shoot at me before ramming him, and putting my life at risk. He showed clear hostilities by robbing an Irish member and he wasn't getting out to simply 1v2 my vehicle, he knew there was other Irish around the corner also.

There is a clear pattern where Kudo members evade for 10 to 15 minutes and then pull in to U-Tool to ambush against Irish specifically, and I used this common knowledge to make a decision on the spot. If he had gotten out of his car in the middle of the highway, or in some other obscure location I would not have made the decision to ram, but it was a known ambush location and he got out to give demands. 

I feel like the context really does matter in this situation.

(Known ambush location > already rammed and robbed one of my members > chased him directly from that robbery > got out alone when he is outnumbered further confirming the ambush.)

Thank you for your time.

Edited May 27, 2021 by CapoSlash

[Massa T]

9 hours ago, CapoSlash said:

(Known ambush location > already rammed and robbed one of my members > chased him directly from that robbery > got out alone when he is outnumbered further confirming the ambush.)

 

We did not rob your member, we had taken the car he robbed from us back. 

[Timmaayy]

PLAYER REPORT ACCEPTED

Thank you for your patience while this report was under review.

After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, I've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following players:

Kevin_Slash (201) - Will receive a NonRP - During this situation the reported player (Kevin_Slash) was led into an area into an area that was known for previous ambushes, thsi can be shown in the evidence as the reporting player (Tony_Solicetto) was clearly leading them into an ambush and orchestrating the continuation of a violent situation. So it that sense, the reporting player should have known that they could expect some hostile activity back towards them. However the reported player (Kevin_Slash) was acting on assumptions during this, thinking that the reporting player (Tony_Solicetto) will get out and start shooting/issuing demands, here lies the issue. Instead of ramming the player straight away it would have been better to assess the situation, the decide what to go from there. This whole situation is borderline VDM as the reported player intentionally ran over the reporting party while being able to avoid, however a NonRP will be issued instead as we do understand the reasonings, it just could have been roleplayed better with more informed decisions.

The ram earlier in the chase does not appear to against anyone with bad intent, and from the reported players POV they didn't hit the bifta. Therefore no one will be punishment for that.

If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format. 

Regards,
Timmaayy & Yputi