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Player(s) being reported: ID 64, 167, 22, 114, 256, 188, 207, 241 (Especially close attention to ID's 256, 241, and 114 for fearrp and deathmatching)
Date of interaction reported: 01/JAN/2020
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1609553462

Your characters name: Reina_Moraine

Other player(s) involved: Andrew_Wright, Victoria_McJohnson, Ralph_Kenway, Will_Grigg

Specific rule(s) broken:

Deathmatch (DM)

  • Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player without a proper IC motive and interaction.

  • Prior interaction should include escalation such as a robbery or a report to the police.

  • Players may not kill victims who have complied with a plausible demand in reasonable time unless involved in severe hostile activity against them or an ally within 3 hours.

  • Players on foot should only be attempted to be hit with a vehicle once with valid motive.

  • Vehicles cannot be used as weapons in active shootouts unless where unavoidable.

  • Players must be able to explain their reason and provide proof of prior reasoning if requested.

  • If a player informs you that your VOIP isn’t working, you must either fix your VOIP using appropriate commands or use text to deliver your demand.

 

Fear Roleplay (FRP)

  • Fear RP is showing appropriate care and concern to preserve your character's safety and life.

  • If a player's life is in direct danger they must RP adequate fear and comply with demands.

  • If an attacker lowers their weapon to type, victims which were under fear RP remain as so.

  • A player is not showing proper fear if they run while on foot/bike or in an unpowered vehicle and a weapon is aimed at them at close range, or if they drive into an active shootout more than once without the intent of providing cover or fleeing with it.

  • A player still has the option to react if they are in a powered vehicle, if they already have a weapon drawn facing their attacker, or if their attacker's view is obstructed by an object.

 


How did the player break the rule(s)?

I overheard radio chatter of units being downed in the exercise room, and after investigation found multiple DOC officers injured and being attacked by a large crowd of inmates. Upon entering and shouting for the individuals to put their hands up, ID 114 continued to run around the showers with the injured officer, talking in a calm, quiet and joking manner as if he didn't have an SMG pointed at him at severe close range, even after warning shots had been fired near him into the wall. He then only dropped her to attack me along with ID 256 and ID 241 whilst I had an SMG pointed with demands being shouted. I find it insanely unrealistic and downright apalling that these individuals would go on in a laughing, joking manner in voip while trying to attack someone who has made it VERY CLEAR that there is an automatic weapon being utilized near them and attempt to attack said individual with fists. They claimed that 'Oh you were invisible we didn't see you," yet made the concious decision to attack an ID they didn't see anyway, and who they would not be able to see if they had DM rights on anyway. Regardless of the blatant bug abusing of the invisibility (Which is a known 1.1 Prison interior bug), they chose to attack me rather than fear for their lives after active gunshots had been let off and after I had already dispatched of ID 256. They knew I had a firearm regardless of them not being able to see me and acted on it anyway. The other ID's had absolutely no reason to gang up on the officers, had no DM rights, and the fight itself was completely random and had no IC reasoning behind it which can be viewed from Ralph_Kenway's POV. 

These individuals were not interested nor did they want to participate in any roleplay, and have clearly displayed that they would rather RDM for no reason and to laugh it up in VOIP when they should be complying with orders given under gunpoint. If these individuals are a part of any faction with handlers I'll be requesting that this report be forwarded to them as well. 

Evidence of rule breach:

Ralph_Kenway's POV Below

My POV Below:

 

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Thank you for making this player report.

This report is pending review from myself and @Kazjii. We will be with you shortly after further review.

Apologies in advance as this report will take a bit of extended time for inquiry due to the number of individuals noted and the nature of the situation. In the interim, @Wolokai142 please forward me the unedited version of your POV at your earliest convenience.

Best Regards,

Administrator Aldarine & Senior Support Kazjii

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PENDING RESPONSE
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After reviewing this report and the evidence attached to it, we have decided that this report cannot be concluded at this time. We would like to receive a response from the following player(s) to explain their side of the story:

  • [Notified In-Game] - Maltz_Junior (ID 64) - Can you explain why you can be seen attempting to punch the guard? What demands did you issue and what deathmatch rights did you posses to start fighting the DOC guard? Additionally, please include your POV and any video evidence you would like considered within this report.

  • [Notified In-Game] - Bernardo_Shakur (ID 167) - Can you explain why you can be seen joining in on the fight between ID 64 and the DOC guard? What reasoning do you hold and what deathmatching rights do you hold that allowed you to join in on the fight? Additionally, please include your POV and any video evidence you would like considered within this report.

  • [Notified In-Game] - Michael_Laurie (ID 22) - Can you explain your side of the story? Why did you join in on the fight against the DOC guards within the gym area? What events led up to the "riot" that is portrayed here in the provided evidence? Additionally, please include your POV and any video evidence you would like considered within this report.

  • [Notified In-Game] - Kane_Mysterio (ID 114) - Can you explain why you can be seen within the included footage ignoring the demands of the DOC warden with an SMG pointed at your head? Do you believe this was the correct way to portray your characters fear and goal to preserve their life? I would also like to ask why you can be heard laughing while a SMG is being shot directly towards you, again the same thing will be asked, do you think this showed correct fear for your characters life? Additionally, you were asked to save POV so please include that in your response.

  • [Notified In-Game] - Liam_Chase (ID 256) - Can you explain why you can be seen within the included footage ignoring the demands of the DOC warden with an SMG pointed at your head? Do you believe this was the correct way to portray your characters fear and goal to preserve their life? Additionally, you were asked to save POV so please include that in your response.

  • [Notified In-Game] - Taylor_Garcia (ID 188) - Can you explain your side of the story? Why did you join in on the fight against the DOC guards within the gym area? What events led up to the "riot" that is portrayed here in the provided evidence? Additionally, please include your POV and any video evidence you would like considered within this report.

  • [Notified In-Game] - Marco_Sierra (ID 207) - Can you explain your side of the story? Why did you join in on the fight against the DOC guards within the gym area? What events led up to the "riot" that is portrayed here in the provided evidence? Additionally, please include your POV and any video evidence you would like considered within this report.

  • [Notified In-Game] - Julio_Grande (ID 241) - Can you explain why you can be seen within the included footage ignoring the demands of the DOC warden with an SMG pointed at your head? Do you believe this was the correct way to portray your characters fear and goal to preserve their life? Additionally, you were asked to save POV so please include that in your response.

If the requested player(s) do not respond within 24 hours, this report will be concluded based on the evidence that has already been provided, to the best of our ability. 

Regards,
Administrator Aldarine & Senior Support Kazjii

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Hey this is Liam Chase (ID 256),

Firstly i would like to state that the SMG was pointed at my head only seconds before i was dropped. Before i could react with the demands i had already rapidly tapped my mouse to attack and was stuck in the anims. I believe that i was within good reason to attack a lone guard in an enclosed space who was out numbered and whos attention was solely targeted on the injured guard being carried. I was surprised to see this course of action from Reina as she didn’t wait for more backup to arrive or be dressed in the proper riot gear to combat 12+ inmates. 

 

Secondly, our end goal was to create a hostage situation with the guards we had possession of, to ultimately increase the quality of RP at the current time in DOC for all parties to enjoy.

 

Lastly, I felt it was reckless what Reina did and in someways NRP, as she can be heard shouting “drop her or die!” which isn’t a realistic demand that a guard would shout. On top of that she was potentially putting Victoria (ID 146) in more danger by aiming an SMG at the person carrying her, Therefore she was at risk of killing her allie.

 

Unfortunately i don’t have my POV, i tried saving the previous 3 mins through the microsoft recording software. However when i tried this it was unable to capture it due to low storage. Its been an issue for me a lot recently, ive dealt with it by moving videos to a bigger hard drive, but on friday it had been full of captures of previous gameplay, due to the fact that i enjoy making videos from my eclipse experiences. I am looking into a better method to resolve my storage issue so i can save my POV in the future.

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Hello ID 22 here, so to start my response off most of our allies got incarcerated together as can be seen in the video there is a lot of us there at one time. I joined in on the fight for two reasons 1. to back up my allies which I see nothing wrong with and 2. for a chance at different RP then sitting AFK in the prison, I don't believe I broke any rules in being involved with this fight. As you can see in the video the officers just start tazing people without assessing the situation clearly first, If they attempt to go after the whole group they can't expect the whole group to do nothing about it. RPLY I was also in jail for a long time as I caught 2 attempted murders of a government employee and my character wouldn't care if he were to receive more charges. The officers started this riot then got upset about the outcome?

 

Edit to show a guard being attacked by inmates on a TV show of an actual prison: 

Now imagine what these people do when no cameras are around? On the beginning of this season of this show they show a CO who has been stabbed 20 times by inmates... If you think this doesn't happen in prison I don't know what kind of prisons you've seen.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/12/19/coba--4-correction-officers-injured-in-inmate-attack-at-rikers-island : Another attack that literally happened last month where it was 1 inmate on 4 guards.

https://www.cobanyc.org/news/rikers-correction-officer-attacked-inmates-after-he-returned-vacation: Happens extremely often.

 

Prison right now is a very hostile place between the guards and the inmates and that's based off of how some of the guards treat the inmates icly. I'd also like to mention that I find this report strange as Not here to RP is in the report meanwhile the reporting party is a warden in the prison but is running around the prison with a shotgun/smg giving demands like drop him or die, How realistic is it for a corrections officer to be in a cell by themselves with a live ammo shotgun/smg willing to risk their partners lives, their own life, and the life of inmates.... It just doesn't happen in real life. If she shot the person carrying her fellow DOC officer she would kill the man and the officer, she would also risk going to jail herself for manslaughter as in no real circumstance would it be acceptable to shoot someone for punching you and it is pretty much ruleplaying at this point. No matter what inmates were doing DOC guards would never be firing live shotgun shells / smg bullets at inmates unless maybe they somehow stole a real gun from an officer which guess what DOC guards don't carry for that specific reason. I find it very NRP for this to even be allowed and this isn't a one time occurrence either. I went to jail the next day and their was no riots no violence going on but the reporting party came back into the room again with a shotgun and a skirt on, giving the same demands ''walk in the cell or die'' this sounds like the mentality of someone who wants to shoot rather then someone who wants to RP and honestly from my perspective is quite sad from a member of staff.

 

This situation could have turned into the pinnacle of the days RP for the prison guards if they took the time to think it our rationally instead of trying to go in guns blazing. They had the opportunity to have a hostage situation and it could have been fun for all people involved. Instead it is being taken OOCLY to try to get people punishments because the reporting party believes guards never get attacked in jail. When inmates are fed up with the way they are being treated they will attack guards and at times beat the guards until they are barely even living anymore it happens all the time in real jails.

 

Video Proof of the reporting party using the same demands to get someone in a cell who did nothing and a routine lockdown was going on she gave demands again saying walk or die then decided to shotgun someone for punching her. : https://streamable.com/zo83mz

 

If any other questions need to be answered I am more then willing to answer.

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Hello, this is Julio Grande (ID 241)

At 0:41 you can clearly see in this pov that the guard attempted to point her gun at me but could not due to being boxed in by prisoners beating her up, not only that she went to point at the other prisoner instead and that's when she was also giving demands NOT pointing at me, not only with that but we had 2-3 DOC guards being used as decoy/hostage. so it does NOT make sense for the guards to rush in spraying at every prisoner WHILE putting their fellow DOC guards life in danger shooting an SMG without controlling any recoil directly at them. they should not have pushed in they did not value their lives one bit, and even though they did we had reason to fight back 

Also as you can see in the first video It is not DM because this whole situation started off with a random player punching a DOC officer which resulted in my gang leader Tyrell Vert that was also arrested at the time to be tazed for no reason causing me and all of our friends that were in the gym to start fighting the DOC officers with that being said Tyrell Vert is somebody I respect very highly and it caused me to act upon the situation and start helping my friends fight the DOC officers. 

https://streamable.com/zo83mz also as you can see in this clip the same DOC officer in the other event shooting a defenseless prisoner after he was tazed already and was on the floor, He was then fired upon with a shotgun twice while tazed on the ground defenseless, it does seem like in both clips I have just shown that this specific DOC officer got heated over an escalating situation IC and seems like she got upset OOC'ly and it clearly looked like she forgot about breach of rules with not valuing her other DOC guards life and DM.  

I couldn't save POV due to the fact that my storage was full, I will make sure that I clear up some of my storage so that this issue never happens again.      

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10 hours ago, Kazjii said:

 

  • [Notified In-Game] - Bernardo_Shakur (ID 167) - Can you explain why you can be seen joining in on the fight between ID 64 and the DOC guard? What reasoning do you hold and what deathmatching rights do you hold that allowed you to join in on the fight? Additionally, please include your POV and any video evidence you would like considered within this report.

First off, a bunch of inmates were having a good time in the entertainment room rollin dice and all that. A guard came and was telling one of the guys there to leave which was ruining some of the fun we were having. The guard pulled out his baton as seen in his footage giving him verbal demands to another fellow inmate saying basically "leave or im gonna beat your ass with this baton." It isn't uncommon for inmates to help each other out, especially when they have all had enough of the rough IC treatment the guards give us and thats exactly what we did. We seen an inmate who was sick and tired of the IC mistreatment from the DOC guards and wanted to fight back after he was threatened. The guards were clearly outnumbered which is the reason everyone hopped into the fight. Most of us who were fighting the guards knew each other outside prison so it wasn't like we were helping just random prisoners to fight. This was a reasonable fight that the prisoners could win to which we did until the guard ran in with a SMG spraying the prisoners down. The fact that the guard pulled out his baton giving the other prisoner verbal demands to leave gave me deathmatching rights on the guard and then on the second guard that came in to the first guards backup. This is simply what happens if you are one guard in front of 10 prisoners trying to act tough with a baton and if you don't want it to happen, then maybe you shouldn't go up to 10 prisoners just yourself and try and ruin the fun. At the end of the day, this is a maximum security prison and the guards should act like it is. We aren't in here for petty crimes such as stealing an old lady's purse. We are in here for extreme crimes such as murder (which is an extremely long charge) and most are willing to do it again. 

Plus, it's a change of rp for once since there is quite literally nothing else to do besides sitting alt tabbed in a cell.

 

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Hi, thanks for taking the time to make and handle this report,

I think @bernardoH has explained the situation leading up to the events as we were both together.

Also at the time in the video when the AR is being pointed I can be seen right at the start just taking Bernardo outside as he was injured.

[Notified In-Game] - Taylor_Garcia (ID 188) - Can you explain your side of the story? Why did you join in on the fight against the DOC guards within the gym area? What events led up to the "riot" that is portrayed here in the provided evidence? Additionally, please include your POV and any video evidence you would like considered within this report.

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36 minutes ago, bernardoH said:

First off, a bunch of inmates were having a good time in the entertainment room rollin dice and all that. A guard came and was telling one of the guys there to leave which was ruining some of the fun we were having.

 

 

 


Hey, I am ID 54 in the video. You were not involved in any RP in the entertainment room and only walked in as ID 64 was being escorted out. It seems deceptive to say your RP fun with other inmates was being interrupted - giving you IC justification to participate, when you weren't even in the room at all until you walked in and randomly punched someone.  Originally you were located at the opposite side of the cell block near the med bay doors, nowhere near their RP.

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I was prepared for the counter accusation of nrp, so ill address my own points here for @Aldarine and withold further comments unless i feel there needs to be a critical point or justification made or per admin request/inquiry.

I want to make several points clear, and the first and foremost is that you were all under fear rp before i even walked through the door.

2 officers had drawn and discharged firearms and you continued to punch them, even going as far as to say "get clapped Victoria". You did not surrender, but persisted. 

Ive read over your points of "you should act like this is a max security prison, we're murderers, you could have shot your officer, we backed you up into a corner, we wanted to take hostages" and I will appropriately address them now.

Do you have any idea the overwhelming amount of violence doc has experienced in the past 3 weeks? No. You do not. Are you aware of the 3 other major riots that had taken place before this one? Perhaps. Are you aware of the 3 firearms incidents and attacks guards suffered outside? I doubt it.

What you fail to understand, is that my 'nrp' carrying heavies is a DEPARTMENT WIDE, Ic response to an ic issue. You (inmates) have all treated the guards as punching bags, trying to kill them, shoot them, hurt them, anything you can to bring harm to them. We have responded. I'm sorry if experiencing the consequences of your actions is a hurtful disappointment and 'ruins your fun', but we are acting like this is a max security prison. Its time you do as well. 

You know what other ic consequence is similar to this? Supression checks. Your violence and aggression is being answered, and you will suffer for it. Sorry. Perhaps try different avenues of approach to prison rp besides hostages and rdming.

As to me entering alone, youre implying i was alone to begin with. Will_Grigg from SD called a code 1 to his agency and was behind me the entire time to my knowledge. Additionally, from the very moment i stood at the bars i was checking for firearms and weapons. Every single inmate i passed i thought 'unarmed, no threat'. I had 3 officers down and dying and a fully automatic weapon against a bunch of helpless unarmed people. What danger am I in from such an insignificant threat like that?

Ic protocols control my level of force against inmates, and if you declare yourself a threat to my character or the other officers under certain conditions im sorry, but expect for me to respond aggressively. I had nothing to fear from you, or anyone in there. I had reinforcements with me and on the way, no one made an rp attempt to attack me with any weapons, no /mes or /dos. Only unarmed, laughing, deathmatching inmates to which one mixed by stating in voip that "i could be heard but not seen", referencing the invisibility bug. I assume this is the case but with the behavior displayed by fistfighting someone who could kill you with an smg in 0.6 seconds flat I severely doubt it. 

And to answer the accusation of shooting my guard, OF COURSE im not going to shoot her or risk shooting her. This is why i fired warning shots and shouted to drop her, which was done of course...and then the individual carrying her decided to try and fistfight me AFTER ACKNOWLEDGING the demands that should have put him under fear rp.

You want to talk about realism, do you understand how RARE it actually is that inmates attack guards IRL? Do you understand what overwhelming consequences exist for inmates who do? Do you understand what even a SINGLE bullet can do to human tissue? One shot anywhere and youre dropping most of the time.

TLDR, you were not trying to take hostages. I was not under fear rp. I would not have shot at my officer. You were not trying to 'bring fun rp' to my officers. I responded to wounded officers with escalated and (obviously) overwhelming force per new protocols that were rolled out recently to combat the SEVERE amount and level of violence that YOU have all brought to US. 

This is your ic consequence. And this will continue until it is understood that iccly you do not run or own the prison. You are inmates, treated the way you are because of what you have done to deserve your sentence. We trust SD to sort out parole for those who can be redeemed, and we treat the rest accordingly as we have to, based upon HOW YOU TREAT US. Every, single, thing, that our department does is REACTIONARY, to you.

You want it to stop? Take a better ic approach. Comply under fear rp, iccly or you are going to suffer harsh and grave consequences. Reread the rules on hostages and deatchmatching, especially when it comes to DM rights. 

Our officers are sick and tired of the deathmatching and daily rdm and hostage attempts. Higher staff is severely encouraging that the issues like what can be seen in this report, are reported. Your actions collectively are being noticed iccly AND oocly.

You really want to bring fun and good prison rp to us? Passive rp. Play some poker, go outside in the new yard and play sports. Have classroom time, watch a movie. Form a lunch line and ask for lunch to be served.

Or continue as you all are, and suffer the ic consequences for it. Becuase like I said, DOC adapts and reacts to inmate behavior. You want it to change?

Be the change.

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13 hours ago, Kazjii said:

 

  • [Notified In-Game] - Marco_Sierra (ID 207) - Can you explain your side of the story? Why did you join in on the fight against the DOC guards within the gym area? What events led up to the "riot" that is portrayed here in the provided evidence? Additionally, please include your POV and any video evidence you would like considered within this report.

id 207 , Marco Sierra here. We were just having some fun in the gym room playing dice. During the hole situation i do not believe i broke any rules. The riot started between the doc guards and Maltz_Junior (ID 64). I only joined the fight when id 54 (Andrew) aims his weapon at my allies id 188 (Taylor Garcia) and id 241 (Julio Grande). i want to make it clear that i did it to help my allies , since id 54 (Andrew) had his back turned on me. i just took that chance to help my allies in a very stealthy way and immediatly put my hands up again when id 46 gets inside the gym room. Eventually id 46 retreated and the inmates took control of the gym room. after that, everyone was taking all the injured inside the bathroom and i did also by carrying id 71 (Doc guard Ralph).  when i was inside the bathroom and dropped id 71 i was trying to get out of there and thats when the reporting party (Reina Moraine) came inside with and SMG on her hands issuing demand towards Kane_Mysterio (ID 114) , and yet again you can see me putting my hands up fearing for my life. Once i got the opportunitty i just got out of there to make sure i was not getting shot.

 

MY POV: https://streamable.com/97u554

 

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2 hours ago, Wolokai142 said:

"Our officers are sick and tired of the deathmatching and daily rdm and hostage attempts. Higher staff is severely encouraging that the issues like what can be seen in this report, are reported. Your actions collectively are being noticed iccly AND oocly."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I remember when previously working in DOC is constant passive RP which, ultimately led to me leaving. I would go as far as saying its as passive as working at Bayview. Being a DOC guard is a government job where you're given Kevlar, heavies if you're CERT, locked doors EVERYWHERE. However I feel like most guards are under the misconception that because of these traits, events like this cant happen which simply isn't true. You're paid as much as PD and SD but you say you're tired of the Aggressive RP.

 

From my perspective, someone who had left DOC from being bored, I thought it would be a fun RP experience to cheer up the crims who had all lost something from the event leading up to DOC and for us to develop our RP in a hostile environment which was previously impossible with PD and SD. However it seems like you weren't happy with a loss and didn't let the RP develop. I've seen this a lot from PD, SD, and DOC where we try to make things interesting but you decide to shut it down straight away. Keep in mind that we have more to lose than you in these situations, so we expect some mutual respect when you handle it. Respect goes both ways on this server especially.

 

Its not up to us to know how many fights and riots have happened in DOC leading up to this, Our attention is more drawn to RP opportunities happening outside. At the end of the day, as a guard in DOC, you are surrounded by killers. The sooner this is understood the better.

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5 hours ago, Wolokai142 said:

 

Do you have any idea the overwhelming amount of violence doc has experienced in the past 3 weeks? No. You do not. Are you aware of the 3 other major riots that had taken place before this one? Perhaps. Are you aware of the 3 firearms incidents and attacks guards suffered outside? I doubt it.

il to understand, is that my 'nrp' carrying heavies is a DEPARTMENT WIDE, Ic response to an ic issue. You (inmates) have all treated the guards as punching bags, trying to kill them, shoot them, hurt them, anything you can to bring harm to them. We have responded. I'm sorry if experiencing the consequences of your actions is a hurtful disappointment and 'ruins your fun', but we are acting like this is a max security prison. Its time you do as well. 

 

 

 

So you're saying because you are frustrated with the type of RP you are being given it is okay to just do as you please? I believe it is completely unrealistic for you to be using real guns and giving demands such as ''walk or die'' as not only a legal law abiding citizen, but as a CO. In real life a CO will NEVER have a live gun inside of the prison as you shooting someone for punching you would ultimately again land you in jail for murder. 

Tell me as a member of staff how realistic you find this ''IC response'' which just seems like you getting excited to shoot people with no repercussions as it's all ''IC''. It is pretty biased to sit here and say one side of people are RPing poorly when you are displaying what might be the most unrealistic RP possible. It comes down to severe ruleplaying and you trying to abuse the fear RP rule in prison as you know prisoners can't respond to reasonable RP and you leave the other side to one sided RP, which is the RP you want rather then a complex situation that involves both sides getting to make decisions. 

I won't respond any further but I just cannot see how this is reasonable at all and just should not be something promoted on the server. Many crims already are experiencing difficulties outside of DOC and it seems to have transferred into DOC as well which is just not fun.

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Hello, Kane_Mysterio (ID 114) here.

Thank you to @Wolokai142 for making this report for their beliefs of rulebreaks, and to both @Kazjii and @Aldarine for taking their time with handling the report and deliberating upon the evidence being provided.

 

Before I get on to anything, it would be best first to explain the RolePlay scenario and the environment that led to the escalation of the 'riot.

Initially many members from various different gangs had been arrested due to different criminal activities, during their time in DOC these gang members had all found themselves in the gym of the DOC. This is where a debate had occurred between the gang members over multiple different topics to which the environment became hostile. As of course this is DOC, using violence is something of second nature to the inmates inside so the escalated conversations lead into a fight. Being the staffs job of DOC, then quickly intervened with batons and tazers... to my memory there were 3 DOC guards against the multiple inmates. One of the DOC guards close to myself had been injured, to which I then carried her and carried her to a more secluded area being the showers. My plan was to maybe use her as leeway to maybe have some fun with RP by using her life in trade for a potential escape, however unfortunately this never came to light. 

Any who, the woman with the SMG then starts to scream and does not make it aware as to whom she is screaming at. Let me note also that this individual was also by themselves still being surrounded by multiple criminals who had just been in a bloody fist fight against one another and also her colleagues. I was carrying the DOC guard over my shoulders running around the shower block, not being aware of where the demands were coming from. 

 

So, to move onto the claims of poor RP and unrealistic RP, to also report myself for FearRP.
Firstly, as the scenario explains there are multiple criminals from various gangs all locked up in a tight and confined space with nobody watching over them. Do you think fights never happen in prison? There are literal gangs that exist within prison. The claim of a riot of false, a riot would instate that the inmates were brandishing the prison itself, however the inmates were fighting one another with great escalation. 

 

For what reason did the inmates (including myself) attack the DOC guards? 
3 of them came in with tazers and batons, there is no logical way they expected to suppress the various inmates from the violence occurring just with them three. So the inmats then turned on to DOC guards, the people who are literally keeping them behind bars for years taking away time from their lives. It makes complete logical sense for inmates to be hostile against DOC guards. A real example of this would be gangs both inside and outside of prisons coming together to fight law enforcement.

the DOC guards started to attack my allies prior to any of us leading our intentions towards them.

I can say on behalf of the inmates involved in this RP scenario, that it was indeed fun and interesting with heavy escalation involved.

 

To my specific case the reporter was literally bugging everywhere, teleporting and becoming invisible constantly. 

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Regardless of the blatant bug abusing of the invisibility (Which is a known 1.1 Prison interior bug)

How on earth is this bug abuse? I have no idea that being invisible is apparently a normal thing. I was so confused for most of it having not a single clue as to where the reporting party is.

 

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These individuals were not interested nor did they want to participate in any roleplay, and have clearly displayed that they would rather RDM for no reason and to laugh it up in VOIP when they should be complying with orders given under gunpoint.

Because you didn't win in the way you would have liked? please look at thing from an outside perspective. From our point of view the escalation between the inmates was both interesting and exciting. The build up began with many different conflicts to which the DOC guards than came in attacking us with batons. 

 

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i was checking for firearms and weapons. Every single inmate i passed i thought 'unarmed, no threat'. I had 3 officers down and dying and a fully automatic weapon against a bunch of helpless unarmed people. What danger am I in from such an insignificant threat like that?

 

couldn't have explained it better myself, we are inmates in prison the most dangerous we would have had is a knife which even on ECRP is of a high rarity when coming into DOC. Therefore having a hard to come by heavy weapon spraying bullets aimlessly is kinda over the top.

 

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Do you have any idea the overwhelming amount of violence doc has experienced in the past 3 weeks? No. You do not. 

 You're absolutely right, we indeed have no knowledge of this nor do we need to have knowledge of this. Why should this affect the RP we conduct?

 

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You want to talk about realism, do you understand how RARE it actually is that inmates attack guards IRL? Do you understand what overwhelming consequences exist for inmates who do? 

 

Thanks for this, not only have you decided to take this OOC but I have also had IC repercussions to this: https://streamable.com/qij3wy 

 

In conclusion, and shown in my POV I genuinely believe the initial RP conducted in this event was of proper conduct. Appropriate means of escalations had occurred and DM rights were given due to the DOC guard hitting us first and with them being in a 3 v 8+ situation. 

To better explain my POV (my shadowplay is set to record 2 minutes 10 seconds):
After the fight had occurred (shown on other POV's) I had picked up the DOC officer, to as stated before possible initiate some RP with her life in trade for some privileges inside of DOC. However, also shown in my POV I was actually asking her what she needed with her replies of where to take her, I had honestly no idea where she meant. The DOC guard on my back was also tazered twice with the person who shot the tazer giving absolutely no consideration to her life.

Initial demands coming from the reporter was is shown in my POV where there are two inmates between us and large metal DOC gates, also her gun was not pointed in my POV.
You then see her teleport into the bathroom to which I clearly see her to then proceed to drop the DOC guard from my back. The reporter literally fires warning shots right next to both mine and the DOC guards head, you must imagine how loud the bullets are and the multiple considerations of ricochet. Those warning shots in my opinion are poor display of RP, what is the most I can do when I am literally carrying an entire person on my back. 

In my POV the reporter was then backed up into a corner being punched multiple times, in terms of animations her gun was lowered as she was taking blows. She was close to being injured due to the persistent blows, however she suddenly then teleports completely away from me as to which she then blasts at me and injures me. If she was in the location that was shown in my POV I believe she would have been injured by both me and the other inmate as she was literally backed into a corner not being able to raise her gun. Its truly a shame such bugs had to occur: https://streamable.com/d5k5su

 

I truly believe this RP scenario would have gone different if it had not been for the bugs. I tried to show the reporting party my POV prior to this report but they had absolutely on interest, seems like IC emotions were being portrayed OOCly.

 

 

 

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Hi, ID 64 here, As you can see in the POV that @Wolokai142 provided. I complied when the officer grabbed me by the arm and attempted too lead me away.. I then attempted too get out of his grip with a /do however that was unsuccessful. I then attempted too throw some punches with my free arm with a /do too see if I would be successful (I was) I then went too punch the guard that was nearest too me and that started a whole prison riot. 

On 1/4/2021 at 6:47 PM, Kazjii said:

what deathmatch rights did you posses to start fighting the DOC guard

I intended too punch ID 54 but he was too far away so I settled for the one nearest too me (I don't know why ID 54 was so far away as he was supposedly holding my arm) . I do not believe I have broken any rules. Prison riots can happen at any time and that is what it turned into. After I had punched the guard and the other inmates decided too join in, I ran away from the conflict. I was then shot 3 times while attempting too flee with inmates attacking guards left and right.

 

Unfortunately I do not have POV of this and was not aware that this report was active.

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needed too explain why i punched another guard instead of ID 54
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After reviewing this report and evidence attached to it, we've decided to accept this report and issue the punishments to the following player(s):

  • Kane_Mysterio (ID 114) - Fear RP/Poor Roleplay - After reviewing the footage and viewing each step of this interaction, you can be seen carrying a downed DOC guard around and around within the bathroom of the prison - when approached with the commands from the reporting party, "drop her or die" while having the gun directly aimed at you, you chose to run away showing no fear for your characters life. 

  • Julio_Grande (ID 241) - Fear RP/Poor Roleplay - After the DOC guard shot and injured ID 256, you continued to try and injure her with your bare hands. Again, just because you had numbers does not constitute the ability to try and overpower and heavily armed entity. That being the reason for the punishment, demands were shouted and the guard had a heavy weapon on her and yet you continued to run towards the shots after an inmate was shot and injured. 

  • Liam_Chase (ID 256) - Fear RP/Poor Roleplay - While the event in the bathroom grew more intense and active shots were put off, you chose to attempt running behind the heavily armed DOC guard to punch her. Even though it was a "small area" and the prisoners had "numbers" over the DOC guard, she was still heavily armed capable of taking on multiple prisoners at once, thus being the reason for the punishment. The clear running towards the guard to try to hit showed absolute no value of your characters life.

  • Ultimately the biggest issue with this situation is the fact that there was no semblance of rational fear when faced with a heavy weapon armed guard. When the armed guard was aiming as well as discharging their weapon, the rational decision would not be to engage when unarmed yet this was not the choice made. It goes without saying that a bullet is much more powerful than a fist/shove and the former is much more harmful/deadly. It makes very little sense to believe that you can simply overwhelm and defeat a firearm singlehandedly or with two people. That being said, we expect much more rational behavior than what was demonstrated in this situation.

If you have received a punishment that you disagree with, feel free to file a punishment appeal following the punishment appeal guidelines and format. If the reporting party suffered a loss greater than $25,000 in value, feel free to file a refund request following the refund request guidelines and format.  This report will now be locked and archived.

Regards,
Administrator Aldarine & Senior Support Kazjii

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