Hold LEO factions to the same risk / reward Non-RP standards that criminals are held to.

[IAmTurtle 122]

3 minutes ago, givejoshamosin said:

Even though my intention is to clearly stall someone, I’m going to be wilfully ignorant and use plausible deniability to make it look like it wasn’t on purpose.

the propose of placing barriers is to stall you out. if the road ones were not indestructible we would be using those instead but we can not due to scripts.

[mikebumbum 666]

Just now, IAmTurtle said:

the propose of placing barriers is to stall you out. if the road ones were not indestructible we would be using those instead but we can not due to scripts.

even the road ones arent to stop moving cars irl ... its too warn traffic that something is happening there and not to cross like what

[Cyrus Raven 353]

13 minutes ago, givejoshamosin said:

See guys it’s fine, imma just go stock up on water bottles from malgoodies and place them everywhere because there’s only a 50/50 chance it’s going to stall cars and injure someone. Even though my intention is to clearly stall someone, I’m going to be wilfully ignorant and use plausible deniability to make it look like it wasn’t on purpose.

A car has two pedals (three if manual), maybe ease up on the gas and learn what a break pedal is ? 

I guess this has to be said again in simple terms. PD uses wood barriers because SCRIPTLY the proper barriers are bugged and indestructible. These barriers ARE suppose to slow down/stop cars depending on the speed (as they would in real life if you plow through one at 200km/h). The main purpose would be for players to see them and stop, giving up or attempting a u-turn. Should they have been programmed to act more realistically ? Sure. Are they very unrealistic to the point is is game breaking ? No.

You want to avoid them ? Don't be predictable, anticipate what's ahead (i.e Don't yeet yourself off an off-ramp at 200km/h...) or maybe, just stop, you don't need to win every chase, it's ok to stop the car and give up.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Cyrus Raven

[FrankieP 395]

14 minutes ago, Cyrus Raven said:

A car has two pedals (three if manual), maybe ease up on the gas and learn what a break pedal is ? 

I guess this has to be said again in simple terms. PD uses wood barriers because SCRIPTLY the proper barriers are bugged and indestructible. These barriers ARE suppose to slow down/stop cars depending on the speed (as they would in real life if you plow through one at 200km/h). The main purpose would be for players to see them and stop, giving up or attempting a u-turn. Should they have been programmed to act more realistically ? Sure. Are they very unrealistic to the point is is game breaking ? No.

You want to avoid them ? Don't be predictable, anticipate what's ahead (i.e Don't yeet yourself off an off-ramp at 200km/h...) or maybe, just stop, you don't need to win every chase, it's ok to stop the car and give up.

Crims often DO stop the car and give up, whether it's PD or enemy criminals, because one thing we know is how to take an L.

Here's a clip of crims realising their luck has run out and what do you know? We took the L. Notice how we didn't start malding and abusing bugs/doing NonRP actions simply to win! https://streamable.com/yo24l

It's honestly pointless arguing with any of you because you all refuse to see the clear bias and advantage that you have. Its fine doe, keep going and maybe soon there won't be any crims left on the server for you to catch!

[TheCactus 265]

-1
Don't talk shit about the .50


On a serious note, I expect certain concerns to be brought up by players who can uphold extremely qualitative RP. I would not have laughed while reading the topic if another player brought up the concerns.

In the first video, I agree such rifle is kind of overkill for Felony Evading charges while in the second, your statement is incorrect.

P.S.: stingers don't work all the times. They were almost functional just before the HUD update but not anymor.

Edited November 2, 2020 by TheCactus

[Not Butters 23]

ANOTHER proof of NON-RP by cops just happened in Lifted's stream, there is an active hostage situation and cops just bust in there with no value of the hostage's lives.

[IAmTurtle 122]

1 minute ago, Not Butters said:

ANOTHER proof of NON-RP by cops just happened in Lifted's stream, there is an active hostage situation and cops just bust in there with no value of the hostage's lives.

That happened at last resort. Unless you knew what was said over tac you cant make that assumption. 

[Rickyriggz 644]

You guys need to chill before this thread gets archived and everything that was previously mentioned gets tossed down the drain. 

[FrankieP 395]

11 minutes ago, Not Butters said:

ANOTHER proof of NON-RP by cops just happened in Lifted's stream, there is an active hostage situation and cops just bust in there with no value of the hostage's lives.

This has happened numerous times before, especially when bank heists were popular

7 minutes ago, Rickyriggz said:

You guys need to chill before this thread gets archived and everything that was previously mentioned gets tossed down the drain. 

It'll most likely get archived anyway, all similar threads do

[CalvinKlein 462]

2 hours ago, ClankH said:

ah yes, i also love driving 240km/h down a highway that according to every criminal would be "filled with other cars so it makes no sense for cops to shoot on highways" 

 

Bruh because a crim does not give a fuck RPly , they’re trying to get away, so they can speed and RPly be putting themselves and others at risk as they are criminals, PD is not they should be concerned and immersed into their surroundings RPly as they are law enforcement, + you did begin shooting at the highway for simply felony evading because you thought they had a chance of winning since it’s a super car 

[Rickyriggz 644]

2 hours ago, ClankH said:

ah yes, i also love driving 240km/h down a highway that according to every criminal would be "filled with other cars so it makes no sense for cops to shoot on highways" 

 

Alright so let's just touch up on this real quick. First off criminals are already limited as a motherfucker to what we can do. We cant rob on the highways because we need to "imagine" there are civilians driving. Fair enough, we do just that. Now you're being sarcastic and acting like we shouldn't drive our vehicles to their maximum speeds. So what you're saying is I unless toggle cruise at 180 during chases  I cant complain about a COMMISSIONER making the call to mow me down with a .50 cal machine gun for merely felony evading? Clank if toggling my speed to 180 during a PD chase means that I wont get mowed down by a .50 cal on the highway for felony evading ordered by a COMMISSIONER, I will do that no problem. 

At the end of the day, we are criminals. We don't care if we shoot or hurt random civilians during a pursuit and that's why we get slapped with Felony Reckless Endangerment when we end up getting caught. We pay for our actions with prison time. YOU are the ones who swore an oath to protect the public yet it seems like during these big pursuits you guys are the ones fucking shit up more than anything. Massive PD convoys literally flooding the whole street going as fast as possible sending any vehicle in it's path flying not giving a shit about stalling because you have 15 other units following the chase, or spamming a half ass /m command to cover your ass ICly and immediately open fire. 

Overall I think we can admit the quality of rp on both ends have been pretty poor. Crims aren't perfect, LEOs aren't perfect. But at the end of the day we are all here to have fun, just seems like LEOs are the ones having most of the fun nowadays. 

Thank you for your time Clank, no hard feelings. 
 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Rickyriggz

[Actualbears 39]

37 minutes ago, Not Butters said:

ANOTHER proof of NON-RP by cops just happened in Lifted's stream, there is an active hostage situation and cops just bust in there with no value of the hostage's lives.

I suggest you wait until the full forum report is made before assuming such things. It's quite difference from our perspective. 

[ClankH 80]

1 hour ago, Rickyriggz said:

Thank you for your time Clank, no hard feelings. 
 

All good homie, you know I respect everyones opinions

[Illmohim 91]

+1

I agree with most of what was said. I don't need to say my perspective as that is just me repeating what everyone said. 

[ClankH 80]

6 hours ago, FrankieP said:

Crims often DO stop the car and give up, whether it's PD or enemy criminals, because one thing we know is how to take an L.

Here's a clip of crims realising their luck has run out and what do you know? We took the L. Notice how we didn't start malding and abusing bugs/doing NonRP actions simply to win! https://streamable.com/yo24l

It's honestly pointless arguing with any of you because you all refuse to see the clear bias and advantage that you have. Its fine doe, keep going and maybe soon there won't be any crims left on the server for you to catch!

 

 

Damn you got disrespected in that clip bro no cap

[SaltyPython 37]

Not gonna lie, guys - I don't understand what you want anymore. Original point of the topic was that PD roleplay was unrealistic; specifically that cops going around shooting for tires was unrealistic. Fair enough.

So when cops start tactically using destructible barriers instead, it's bad roleplay and bug abusing? I just don't understand. If stingers were usable, they'd probably use those, but they're not. There's not much else to do SCRIPTLY as PD. They could start using stingers and if you were to hit them they'd have to send the player "/ldo stingers would have been stuck onto your tires, deflating them.". Do you think that would work? Most people would probably ignore that roleplay, and it would be another thing to add onto the list of forum reports PD has to deal with everyday (alongside fear RP, combat logs, powergaming, etc.) The alternative is to endlessly chase until you run out of gas, which is what happens usually anyways, if you do get caught (which is unlikely - if you get a BF-400 and go up Mount Chilliad, there's not much cops can do.)

I understand that the wooden police barricade is a little bugged - you may stall when hitting them at high speeds. But c'mon, lads. If you guys want a better RP standard from RP, then complaining when they start using tactics isn't gonna help much, yeah? It just feels like an unwinnable argument from PD's side. Shoot tires? NON-RP! Use barricades? BUG ABUSE!

What is the point of this discussion anymore if even the "good RP" alternative is apparently bad roleplay? There's nothing else to do, guys.

Now - I think the natural evolution of this discussion is to instead to take a nice, good look at the rules. Instead of blaming PD for not getting punished enough, maybe the rules themselves should be changed to make crim RP less restrictive. Staff team must have a dang hard time with the rules; it can't be too restrictive (as getting punished for doing something that may be instictive probably sucks), but it can't be too loose either (you would get a lot more fun ruining RP, such as a few months ago when you could get robbed anywhere, for no reason). I personally think this would be a more worthwhile discussion.

[nomadhtims 157]

This report is the same example of PD playing to win and ruining RP situations. An interesting situation involving hostages and instead they rush in not caring and just going for the kill...

[IAmTurtle 122]

1 hour ago, nomadhtims said:

PD playing to win and ruining RP situations.

Are we supposed to play to let the hostages die? Also this scene has been going on for a fare while and it was used as a last resort as none of our attempts for negations where successful, even after we brought them everything that they wanted. 

[FrankieP 395]

9 hours ago, ClankH said:

 

Damn you got disrespected in that clip bro no cap

Yeah and I took the L. We all know very well that thats something you do not know to do.

[mikebumbum 666]

5 hours ago, IAmTurtle said:

Are we supposed to play to let the hostages die? Also this scene has been going on for a fare while and it was used as a last resort as none of our attempts for negations where successful, even after we brought them everything that they wanted. 

why can you guys never just admit you did wrong and ruined others experiences there seems to always be an excuse when it comes to PD players. The other side of people involved are telling you they didn't enjoy themselves you ruined their gameplay. Hearing that should make you stop and think how you can make everyone have fun rather then just winning and getting to throw people in jail on a game.

Like we've been saying eventually you will have no serious opposition as people don't want to play a game where they aren't having fun because the biggest group in the game abuses loopholes in rules or has excuses that seem to get everything ''allowed''. I know for a fact if GD did this we would get non rps for it .Im pretty sure these players are already leaving the server the ones from that report at least and many crim factions feel that way.

Maybe instead of making excuses stop and think of ways you make sure everyone has fun and its not just you guys trying to push to win all the time. Before its too late and you end up with only pulling people over for speeding or illegal parking and im sure thats not what you guys want.

Edited November 2, 2020 by mikebumbum

[ClankH 80]

30 minutes ago, FrankieP said:

Yeah and I took the L. We all know very well that thats something you do not know to do.

bro wym i take Ls all the time

https://streamable.com/sorwov

see? graceful during Ws and graceful after Ls

[mikebumbum 666]

3 minutes ago, ClankH said:

bro wym i take Ls all the time

https://streamable.com/sorwov

see? graceful during Ws and graceful after Ls

you meming about it and showing clips of an entire different game shows your mindset. The PD montages are gonna be real dry soon with no crims to shoot at

[Cyrus Raven 353]

38 minutes ago, mikebumbum said:

why can you guys never just admit you did wrong and ruined others experiences there seems to always be an excuse when it comes to PD players. The other side of people involved are telling you they didn't enjoy themselves you ruined their gameplay. Hearing that should make you stop and think how you can make everyone have fun rather then just winning and getting to throw people in jail on a game.

Like we've been saying eventually you will have no serious opposition as people don't want to play a game where they aren't having fun because the biggest group in the game abuses loopholes in rules or has excuses that seem to get everything ''allowed''. I know for a fact if GD did this we would get non rps for it .Im pretty sure these players are already leaving the server the ones from that report at least and many crim factions feel that way.

Maybe instead of making excuses stop and think of ways you make sure everyone has fun and its not just you guys trying to push to win all the time. Before its too late and you end up with only pulling people over for speeding or illegal parking and im sure thats not what you guys want.

Someone telling me they aren't having fun means nothing. These feelings have to be substantiated by something. I'm sure a lot of new players don't have fun when they get banned for breaking some rule, does that mean they should automatically be listened to and validated ? Of course not. Same applies here.

I have said it once and I will say it again, there have been points made here that I agree with (for example the .50 Cal incident, which I think shouldn't have happened). However, this doesn't mean that every single situation or point someone brings up is automatically valid (like the blockade example). You seem to have this all or nothing mentality, either you are with us or against us. This isn't grade school, people can have various opinions and defend whichever ones they think are unsubstantiated while still wishing to improve the overall state of RP.

As for the report incident, I am 99% you have no insight into what happened or how it came to happen, but anything that remotely looks like a rule break or bad RP from PD side you will use to fit your narrative. How about you let staff do their job, determine whether it was justified or not before using it as fodder for your arguments. 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Cyrus Raven

[FrankieP 395]

47 minutes ago, Cyrus Raven said:

Someone telling me they aren't having fun means nothing. These feelings have to be substantiated by something. I'm sure a lot of new players don't have fun when they get banned for breaking some rule, does that mean they should automatically be listened to and validated ? Of course not. Same applies here.

I have said it once and I will say it again, there have been points made here that I agree with (for example the .50 Cal incident, which I think shouldn't have happened). However, this doesn't mean that every single situation or point someone brings up is automatically valid (like the blockade example). You seem to have this all or nothing mentality, either you are with us or against us. This isn't grade school, people can have various opinions and defend whichever ones they think are unsubstantiated while still wishing to improve the overall state of RP.

As for the report incident, I am 99% you have no insight into what happened or how it came to happen, but anything that remotely looks like a rule break or bad RP from PD side you will use to fit your narrative. How about you let staff do their job, determine whether it was justified or not before using it as fodder for your arguments. 

You don't think it says something when so many crim players are collectively expressing dissatisfaction with how they are being treat on the server? Damn bro, enjoy writing parking tickets all day when there are no more crim players left.

1 hour ago, ClankH said:

bro wym i take Ls all the time

https://streamable.com/sorwov

see? graceful during Ws and graceful after Ls

As Mike said, your memeing isnt adding anything to the discussion and really just proves your ignorance. 

Only stating my opinion tho bro, pls dont swat me like always threaten to do! 

[Cyrus Raven 353]

Just now, FrankieP said:

You don't think it says something when so many crim players are collectively expressing dissatisfaction with how they are being treat on the server? Damn bro, enjoy writing parking tickets all day when there are no more crim players left.

I think players got used to a certain way of playing when they arguably had more freedom and now are unsatisfied with the increase in regulation to their RP via rule changes.

 In fact, from the original thread you can induce this given the topic is portrayed as wanting to ''Hold PD accountable to the same rules''. The implication here is that criminals feel that PD is not playing by the same rules as they are held to, some of which they feel is unfair and drains the fun from the server. 

As I said, I do believe good points have been made to improve PD RP, but just because a lot of players on one side claim something doesn't make it true. Which is my point. To answer your question then, I think a lot of people have valid feelings on the issue, I don't think the majority of ''examples'' given in this is valid.