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ID 81 (OOC Scamming)

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Player(s) being reported: Martin Deluca, ID 81
Date of interaction reported: 3/20/2020
Unix time stamp from HUD: 1584762703

Your characters name: Pablo Cross

Other player(s) involved: Martin Deluca

Specific rule(s) broken:

3. Character Creation and Property 

  • Character names must be realistic and resemble real world names.
  • Character names cannot be names of famous people.
  • Players may not scam or deceive other players out of character for their property.
  • Players may not transfer assets to other players or to other characters they own without proper IC reason. Doing so will be treated as Real World Trading (RWT) unless approved by an admin.


How did the player break the rule(s)?

The deal was my 5 houses for this guys car. I trade him the 2 2GS first, he gives me the car then I give him the rest of the houses. Before that he was pming me asking how much time I spent re modeling the houses and etc. (Seeming super interested OOC as well.) He then asked me my how to transfer a vehicle ooc (this is before he agreed to the deal.) Since he asked that ooc I was like 100% he was serious about the trade or else why would he ask that if he had no intentions in trading in the first place. I thought he was legit serious so I was like okay hes gonna trade so then he said IC okay lets do the deal so I gave him the 2 2GS. then he said lets go to the car so we go to the car and then he start typing ooc I need to be in the car like 3 times and I was like no you shouldn't so I sent him the command ooc on how to transfer it and then IC he just gets in his car and leaves. The thing is he made it seem as he was just as interested OOC as he was IC. Asking how me how to transfer a vehicle. How to remodel the inside like mine. How long I spent remodeling mine. and even more then that as if you look at the chat logs around the time stamp I provided you would see him asking a lot of stuff about the houses OOC. Like I said he made it seem as he was just as interested OOC as he was IC making me go first and loosing my houses. With all the OOC chat that went on I was super sure he was serious. If it was not for all the OOC chatting I would have never traded let alone went first.
 

Evidence of rule breach:

This is all I got as when I was told to report in the faction chat all the other chat had went away so I could not see it anymore. and I was not recording but if you look at the logs around the time stamp I provided you can see it all. Here is what I got of the last part though https://streamable.com/iayh3

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Hi, I am Martin Deluca and it was not "ooc scamming". And it was a simple question for my further movements, at that moment i already had scammed you because i was the owner of two houses and in /ooc i just asked about the /transfervehicle script.

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It was actually a lot more then that. You were pming me multiple stuff about how long I had spent doing the insides and etc. making it seem like you were even more interested in the house OOC. Then you asking how to use the vehicle transfer script ooc make me 100% believe your gonna trade or else there is no point in asking as we’re talking about the trade. You had asked about it twice before we even agreed to trade IC. If you would have never mentioned all that stuff ooc I would have never went first. Like I said in my post, you made it seem like you were just as interested ooc as ic which made me believe that it was serious. Very deceiving in ooc. I only provided what I could but chat logs shows the whole conversation.

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37 minutes ago, Krallei said:

It was actually a lot more then that. You were pming me multiple stuff about how long I had spent doing the insides and etc. making it seem like you were even more interested in the house OOC. Then you asking how to use the vehicle transfer script ooc make me 100% believe your gonna trade or else there is no point in asking as we’re talking about the trade. You had asked about it twice before we even agreed to trade IC. If you would have never mentioned all that stuff ooc I would have never went first. Like I said in my post, you made it seem like you were just as interested ooc as ic which made me believe that it was serious. Very deceiving in ooc. I only provided what I could but chat logs shows the whole conversation.

So you mixed ic and ooc then, because i was just asking for details for my further moves what means i didnt know those things. However, it was your mistake that u mixed ooc (/pm and /b chat) chat and you made yourself believe me.

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Thank you for your responses and patience as we are reviewing the report. Prior to concluding this report, we would like to hear statements from the players as specified 

  • Martin_Deluca | ID 81 - What was your purpose in using OOC chat via /pm and /b during these transactions?

The above mentioned players will be notified in game as appropriate and will receive 24 hours to provide their side of the story. We look forward to hearing back from you!

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Thanks for responding, @krooks365.

Purpose of using ooc chat during these transactions were just to learn how commands work and get used to them actually, i did not mean anything ic by chatting ooc and asking just for help.

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I love how you try to use the “learn how commands work” but you have been playing since 2018. Plus you have a alt character. Also saying “learn how the commands work” but you had no intentions in trading the car so you asking how to transfer a vehicle when you don’t even plan on transferring it is very deceiving. Because you clearly did not use the command since your intentions was to scam. Your also basically saying your new to the community but you have been here twice as long as me and I know all the commands.

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55 minutes ago, Krallei said:

I love how you try to use the “learn how commands work” but you have been playing since 2018. Plus you have a alt character. Also saying “learn how the commands work” but you had no intentions in trading the car so you asking how to transfer a vehicle when you don’t even plan on transferring it is very deceiving. Because you clearly did not use the command since your intentions was to scam. Your also basically saying your new to the community but you have been here twice as long as me and I know all the commands.

Hello? I wasnt playing when they added furniture things and also command /transfervehicle ?

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There was no point in asking either if you had no intentions in trading the car. You asked before we agreed to trade Ooc to make it seem like you were going to trade it which indeed is deceiving. Then you said it again right by the car. You also made a transfer request to your alt account almost a month ago. That’s odd since you “haven’t played since they added those commands”. Your story is not adding up sir.

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Thank you for your patience while this report was under review. 

After reviewing the report extensively I have decided to deny this report for the following reason(s)

  • We cannot prove that he used OOC methods to scam you. However we do want to warn the reported party that there was no reason for you to ask to understand the commands if you had no intention to use those commands. By asking in ooc the way that you did you influenced his rp response. This could be seen as using OOC methods to gain an IC advantage which is a breach of server rules.

This decision is final. Unless instructed to, if you post another player report pertaining to this incident, you may be muted from posting on the forums for a temporary period. If you disagree with the outcome of this report, please file an appeal following the appeal guidelines and format.

Timmaayy and Krooks365

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